Find WordPerfect Files (WPD's) by CONTENT on Vista [Index Search WP WPD WPDs .wpd]

Finding WordPerfect files by CONTENT with Vista Search

I have learned just a little more about finding WordPerfect files by content
using Vista's built-in search function.

Question:

Does the information below spark a light in anyone out there for a complete
solution?

History As I Know It:

Groups and boards receive multiple reports that Vista's built-in search
function does not index and/or find WordPerfect files that have the default
..wpd extension ("WPDs") based on content. I have commented here and
elsewhere that Vista finds WP TEMPLATES ending with the .wpt extension ("WPT's")
based on content, even if WP is not installed.

Multiple users report no joy when implementing various fixes, including the
most-often offered advice of downloading and installing Corel's outdated (WP
7/8) iFilter and companion registry key. Others report resorting to Corel's
built-in "QuickFinder" applet but that it's not perfect on Vista.

I have repeatedly inquired of Corel but have never received anything other
than a scripted acknowledgment of my inquiry into the problem.

Users report having various SKU's of the Corel WP product, including old,
new, OEM, and full versions. I have posted multiple pleas in various groups
for someone to report whether they have in fact had any success. In their
brief comments or suggestions, posters seem to imply that their advice
(again, mostly to install an iFilter) works but don't clearly state that
that solution *actually* works for them. The silence is deafening.

I am no expert and cannot offer a complete solution at this point, but I
have discovered something that I hope will spark others to explore further,
as I will.

But here's my current situation that offers some glimmer of hope:

I did a fresh install of Vista (Business x86) and then installed Office
System 2007. I didn't want to gum up the works with WP - yet. (Keep that in
mind: I don't have WP installed.)

Then, using Vista's simple procedure for adding a file type (".wpd") to the
Indexing Options and by setting the indexing type to "Index Properties and
File Contents," the automatically chosen plain-text filter enabled my Vista
to index, search and find WP documents whose filenames end in ".wpd,"after a
forced rebuilding or automatic refreshing of the Index, of course.

Hurdle:

I will eventually need to create a native WordPerfect document and will
therefore have to install some version of WP. What will happen then? I
suspect that once I install WP, I will be back in the same boat as all of
us, with no capability to find WPD's based on content. I am beginning to
suspect that WP itself somehow breaks Vista's ability to index and find WPD's
by content. (There, I said it.)

I own multiple versions of WP, including an OEM version of WP X3 that does
not include Corel's QuickFinder and a full retail version of WP X3 that does
include this Corel feature. I wonder how either of those two versions will
affect my current status. (Versions of WP prior to X3 ran too poorly on
Vista to be usable by me. Your mileage with various versions may have been
different and hopefully better.)

The thing is that I need to be able to FIND my "archived" WPD's much more
than I need to create new ones, so I hesitate to install any version of WP.
I think I will experiment with saving Word documents as WP documents and see
if that yields acceptable results. Despite the invariable hype about ease
and accuracy of file-type conversions, we know all too well that complex
and/or highly formatted documents are rarely easily or perfectly converted
to other file types. (What a wonderful world that would be, though, eh? Keep
trying, vendors!)

I apologize for this long post, but I think it's sometimes necessary to
include a few more words than just "do this" or "do that." If you're
interested in reading a little more but which doesn't really add to my
admittedly scant but possibly enlightening report above, continue reading my
editorial comments below.


Editorial (?):

There are many users of WP who have remained fiercely loyal over the years,
including me. Someone is always posting somewhere that WP 5.1 was the best
word processor in the world. I've even seen that phrase used as an e-mail
signature! It sure was darn good, I'll agree. (Yes, yes, I could go back to
DOS or Windows 98, but would YOU?) But Word has been an excellent product,
too, after it became WYSIWYG.

I've always wondered what the true state of the situation was: Has Microsoft
(intentionally or not) somehow made it very difficult or impossible for
WordPerfect products to work well on MS OS's, or has Corel, through all its
changes in leadership and ownership simply not been able to rise to the
challenge? Another burning question of mine has been, "Which is best - to
install WP first, or Word first?" in case one or the other plays havoc with
the other. (Tell me you haven't thought that.) But I could never see a
difference.

As an independent transcriptionist and part-time court reporter, I've always
had to use both Word and WordPerfect. For years I chose WP over Word when my
clients did not have a preference. After having struggled with the
ill-behaved later versions of WP, especially on Vista, I began using MS
Office System 2007 instead of Word XP (2002) or Word 2003. The Ribbon
required some relearning of where things are, as we've all found out, but I
could immediately see that the Ribbon was logical and well thought out. The
capability, performance and - most important - stability of Office 2007
running on Vista surprises, encourages and reminds me of the way
applications used to just keep going and going and going. I can't think of a
single time any of my Office 2007 apps (well, Word and Access, mostly) has
crashed on Vista, and the casual comments posted on boards and in groups and
formal reviews in that regard seem to corroborate that finding of general
stability. I know how to troubleshoot apps, especially those that I'm very
familiar with, and I just couldn't stand any longer the constant and
unsolvable crashes of WP X3 on Vista.

But I digest. The purpose of this post is to let you know that there might
be some light at the end of the tunnel for those of us who need to find WPDs
by content on Vista. I'll report back anything else I find, of course, but
it will be a while. I'm going to sit tight for a while on the partial
success that I have. As always, if anyone out there has had complete
success, for gosh sake please clearly state so and tell us how you managed
to do it.

Brian

Hi, Brian.

Thanks for that post. I have a similar problem with .pub files produced by
Microsoft's own Publisher application, another part of Microsoft Office.

> There are many users of WP who have remained fiercely loyal over the
> years, including me. Someone is always posting somewhere that WP 5.1 was
> the best word processor in the world. I've even seen that phrase used as
> an e-mail signature! It sure was darn good, I'll agree. (Yes, yes, I could
> go back to DOS or Windows 98, but would YOU?) But Word has been an
> excellent product, too, after it became WYSIWYG.

I loved WP in its early days, when it was still owned by the WordPerfect
Corporation (and its predecessor, SSI). It had the greatest online support;
WP Corp. VP Pete Peterson spent a lot of time online with us in their
support forums. But Word kept getting better and WP did not keep up and it
became too much hassle to remember how to use both, so I dropped WP after
6.0 in about 1994, and I have no idea about X3 or whatever the current
version might be.

I haven't really tried to search those old .wpd files with Vista's search.
I would have to customize Indexing Options because I used non-standard
extensions, such as .wp5 for files I produced with WP 5.x, so Vista might
not recognize that those are WP files. (I also used .w4w rather than .doc
for Word For Windows files, then .w5w, .w6w, etc.; I've taught Vista Search
that those can be read with the .doc filters and it seems to work.)

For 3 years, I was the editor of our Rotary newsletter, and I used Publisher
to produce The Spokesman weekly, so I have about 150 .pub files of those.
Vista Search can't find anything in any of them, even though I've told it to
Index the .pub files and have set the indexing type to "Index Properties and
File Contents,"

You'd think that Vista could search its own Publisher file contents, even if
it ignores WordPerfect, wouldn’t you? :>(

Please let us know if you find the magic bullet that opens the .wpd files.
Maybe we can use that to find the secret for .pub files, too.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Brian Bradley" <brian[HYPHEN]> wrote in message
news:3E7264BD-A347-41D1-B58E-...
> Finding WordPerfect files by CONTENT with Vista Search
>
> I have learned just a little more about finding WordPerfect files by
> content using Vista's built-in search function.
>
> Question:
>
> Does the information below spark a light in anyone out there for a
> complete solution?
>
> History As I Know It:
>
> Groups and boards receive multiple reports that Vista's built-in search
> function does not index and/or find WordPerfect files that have the
> default .wpd extension ("WPDs") based on content. I have commented here
> and elsewhere that Vista finds WP TEMPLATES ending with the .wpt extension
> ("WPT's") based on content, even if WP is not installed.
>
> Multiple users report no joy when implementing various fixes, including
> the most-often offered advice of downloading and installing Corel's
> outdated (WP 7/8) iFilter and companion registry key. Others report
> resorting to Corel's built-in "QuickFinder" applet but that it's not
> perfect on Vista.
>
> I have repeatedly inquired of Corel but have never received anything other
> than a scripted acknowledgment of my inquiry into the problem.
>
> Users report having various SKU's of the Corel WP product, including old,
> new, OEM, and full versions. I have posted multiple pleas in various
> groups for someone to report whether they have in fact had any success. In
> their brief comments or suggestions, posters seem to imply that their
> advice (again, mostly to install an iFilter) works but don't clearly state
> that that solution *actually* works for them. The silence is deafening.
>
> I am no expert and cannot offer a complete solution at this point, but I
> have discovered something that I hope will spark others to explore
> further, as I will.
>
> But here's my current situation that offers some glimmer of hope:
>
> I did a fresh install of Vista (Business x86) and then installed Office
> System 2007. I didn't want to gum up the works with WP - yet. (Keep that
> in mind: I don't have WP installed.)
>
> Then, using Vista's simple procedure for adding a file type (".wpd") to
> the Indexing Options and by setting the indexing type to "Index Properties
> and File Contents," the automatically chosen plain-text filter enabled my
> Vista to index, search and find WP documents whose filenames end in
> ".wpd,"after a forced rebuilding or automatic refreshing of the Index, of
> course.
>
> Hurdle:
>
> I will eventually need to create a native WordPerfect document and will
> therefore have to install some version of WP. What will happen then? I
> suspect that once I install WP, I will be back in the same boat as all of
> us, with no capability to find WPD's based on content. I am beginning to
> suspect that WP itself somehow breaks Vista's ability to index and find
> WPD's by content. (There, I said it.)
>
> I own multiple versions of WP, including an OEM version of WP X3 that does
> not include Corel's QuickFinder and a full retail version of WP X3 that
> does include this Corel feature. I wonder how either of those two versions
> will affect my current status. (Versions of WP prior to X3 ran too poorly
> on Vista to be usable by me. Your mileage with various versions may have
> been different and hopefully better.)
>
> The thing is that I need to be able to FIND my "archived" WPD's much more
> than I need to create new ones, so I hesitate to install any version of
> WP. I think I will experiment with saving Word documents as WP documents
> and see if that yields acceptable results. Despite the invariable hype
> about ease and accuracy of file-type conversions, we know all too well
> that complex and/or highly formatted documents are rarely easily or
> perfectly converted to other file types. (What a wonderful world that
> would be, though, eh? Keep trying, vendors!)
>
> I apologize for this long post, but I think it's sometimes necessary to
> include a few more words than just "do this" or "do that." If you're
> interested in reading a little more but which doesn't really add to my
> admittedly scant but possibly enlightening report above, continue reading
> my editorial comments below.
>
>
> Editorial (?):
>
> There are many users of WP who have remained fiercely loyal over the
> years, including me. Someone is always posting somewhere that WP 5.1 was
> the best word processor in the world. I've even seen that phrase used as
> an e-mail signature! It sure was darn good, I'll agree. (Yes, yes, I could
> go back to DOS or Windows 98, but would YOU?) But Word has been an
> excellent product, too, after it became WYSIWYG.
>
> I've always wondered what the true state of the situation was: Has
> Microsoft (intentionally or not) somehow made it very difficult or
> impossible for WordPerfect products to work well on MS OS's, or has Corel,
> through all its changes in leadership and ownership simply not been able
> to rise to the challenge? Another burning question of mine has been,
> "Which is best - to install WP first, or Word first?" in case one or the
> other plays havoc with the other. (Tell me you haven't thought that.) But
> I could never see a difference.
>
> As an independent transcriptionist and part-time court reporter, I've
> always had to use both Word and WordPerfect. For years I chose WP over
> Word when my clients did not have a preference. After having struggled
> with the ill-behaved later versions of WP, especially on Vista, I began
> using MS Office System 2007 instead of Word XP (2002) or Word 2003. The
> Ribbon required some relearning of where things are, as we've all found
> out, but I could immediately see that the Ribbon was logical and well
> thought out. The capability, performance and - most important - stability
> of Office 2007 running on Vista surprises, encourages and reminds me of
> the way applications used to just keep going and going and going. I can't
> think of a single time any of my Office 2007 apps (well, Word and Access,
> mostly) has crashed on Vista, and the casual comments posted on boards and
> in groups and formal reviews in that regard seem to corroborate that
> finding of general stability. I know how to troubleshoot apps, especially
> those that I'm very familiar with, and I just couldn't stand any longer
> the constant and unsolvable crashes of WP X3 on Vista.
>
> But I digest. The purpose of this post is to let you know that there might
> be some light at the end of the tunnel for those of us who need to find
> WPDs by content on Vista. I'll report back anything else I find, of
> course, but it will be a while. I'm going to sit tight for a while on the
> partial success that I have. As always, if anyone out there has had
> complete success, for gosh sake please clearly state so and tell us how
> you managed to do it.
>
> Brian

"Brian Bradley" wrote:

> Finding WordPerfect files by CONTENT with Vista Search
>
> I have learned just a little more about finding WordPerfect files by content
> using Vista's built-in search function.
>
> Question:
>
> Does the information below spark a light in anyone out there for a complete
> solution?
>
> History As I Know It:
>
> Groups and boards receive multiple reports that Vista's built-in search
> function does not index and/or find WordPerfect files that have the default
> .wpd extension ("WPDs") based on content. I have commented here and
> elsewhere that Vista finds WP TEMPLATES ending with the .wpt extension ("WPT's")
> based on content, even if WP is not installed.
>
> Multiple users report no joy when implementing various fixes, including the
> most-often offered advice of downloading and installing Corel's outdated (WP
> 7/8) iFilter and companion registry key. Others report resorting to Corel's
> built-in "QuickFinder" applet but that it's not perfect on Vista.
>
> I have repeatedly inquired of Corel but have never received anything other
> than a scripted acknowledgment of my inquiry into the problem.
>
> Users report having various SKU's of the Corel WP product, including old,
> new, OEM, and full versions. I have posted multiple pleas in various groups
> for someone to report whether they have in fact had any success. In their
> brief comments or suggestions, posters seem to imply that their advice
> (again, mostly to install an iFilter) works but don't clearly state that
> that solution *actually* works for them. The silence is deafening.
>
> I am no expert and cannot offer a complete solution at this point, but I
> have discovered something that I hope will spark others to explore further,
> as I will.
>
> But here's my current situation that offers some glimmer of hope:
>
> I did a fresh install of Vista (Business x86) and then installed Office
> System 2007. I didn't want to gum up the works with WP - yet. (Keep that in
> mind: I don't have WP installed.)
>
> Then, using Vista's simple procedure for adding a file type (".wpd") to the
> Indexing Options and by setting the indexing type to "Index Properties and
> File Contents," the automatically chosen plain-text filter enabled my Vista
> to index, search and find WP documents whose filenames end in ".wpd,"after a
> forced rebuilding or automatic refreshing of the Index, of course.
>
> Hurdle:
>
> I will eventually need to create a native WordPerfect document and will
> therefore have to install some version of WP. What will happen then? I
> suspect that once I install WP, I will be back in the same boat as all of
> us, with no capability to find WPD's based on content. I am beginning to
> suspect that WP itself somehow breaks Vista's ability to index and find WPD's
> by content. (There, I said it.)
>
> I own multiple versions of WP, including an OEM version of WP X3 that does
> not include Corel's QuickFinder and a full retail version of WP X3 that does
> include this Corel feature. I wonder how either of those two versions will
> affect my current status. (Versions of WP prior to X3 ran too poorly on
> Vista to be usable by me. Your mileage with various versions may have been
> different and hopefully better.)
>
> The thing is that I need to be able to FIND my "archived" WPD's much more
> than I need to create new ones, so I hesitate to install any version of WP.
> I think I will experiment with saving Word documents as WP documents and see
> if that yields acceptable results. Despite the invariable hype about ease
> and accuracy of file-type conversions, we know all too well that complex
> and/or highly formatted documents are rarely easily or perfectly converted
> to other file types. (What a wonderful world that would be, though, eh? Keep
> trying, vendors!)
>
> I apologize for this long post, but I think it's sometimes necessary to
> include a few more words than just "do this" or "do that." If you're
> interested in reading a little more but which doesn't really add to my
> admittedly scant but possibly enlightening report above, continue reading my
> editorial comments below.
>
>
> Editorial (?):
>
> There are many users of WP who have remained fiercely loyal over the years,
> including me. Someone is always posting somewhere that WP 5.1 was the best
> word processor in the world. I've even seen that phrase used as an e-mail
> signature! It sure was darn good, I'll agree. (Yes, yes, I could go back to
> DOS or Windows 98, but would YOU?) But Word has been an excellent product,
> too, after it became WYSIWYG.
>
> I've always wondered what the true state of the situation was: Has Microsoft
> (intentionally or not) somehow made it very difficult or impossible for
> WordPerfect products to work well on MS OS's, or has Corel, through all its
> changes in leadership and ownership simply not been able to rise to the
> challenge? Another burning question of mine has been, "Which is best - to
> install WP first, or Word first?" in case one or the other plays havoc with
> the other. (Tell me you haven't thought that.) But I could never see a
> difference.
>
> As an independent transcriptionist and part-time court reporter, I've always
> had to use both Word and WordPerfect. For years I chose WP over Word when my
> clients did not have a preference. After having struggled with the
> ill-behaved later versions of WP, especially on Vista, I began using MS
> Office System 2007 instead of Word XP (2002) or Word 2003. The Ribbon
> required some relearning of where things are, as we've all found out, but I
> could immediately see that the Ribbon was logical and well thought out. The
> capability, performance and - most important - stability of Office 2007
> running on Vista surprises, encourages and reminds me of the way
> applications used to just keep going and going and going. I can't think of a
> single time any of my Office 2007 apps (well, Word and Access, mostly) has
> crashed on Vista, and the casual comments posted on boards and in groups and
> formal reviews in that regard seem to corroborate that finding of general
> stability. I know how to troubleshoot apps, especially those that I'm very
> familiar with, and I just couldn't stand any longer the constant and
> unsolvable crashes of WP X3 on Vista.
>
> But I digest. The purpose of this post is to let you know that there might
> be some light at the end of the tunnel for those of us who need to find WPDs
> by content on Vista. I'll report back anything else I find, of course, but
> it will be a while. I'm going to sit tight for a while on the partial
> success that I have. As always, if anyone out there has had complete
> success, for gosh sake please clearly state so and tell us how you managed
> to do it.
>
> Brian
>

I was experiencing this exact same issue of Vista Index not indexing m
WordPerfect files

I just found two new ifilters that are posted on Corel.com which,
believe, solves the problem. There are 32 bit and 64 bit versions poste
here: 'Patches and Updates - Patches and Updates
(http://tinyurl.com/5tjxw5

I installed the 64 bit version of the ifilter posted above (I have 6
bit Vista), I rebuilt the Vista Index and -- voila -- my WordPerfec
files appear in the index. So far, everything appears to be working a
desired. I will have to work with this a bit longer to verify, but ..
so far, so good! :

--
JK2
Posted via http://www.vistaheads.co

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:00:20 +0100, JK27
<> wrote:

>I was experiencing this exact same issue of Vista Index not indexing my
>WordPerfect files.

[SNIP]

You're getting better. This thread died this year, almost THREE
MONTHS ago.

"Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> You're getting better. This thread died this year, almost THREE
> MONTHS ago.

The OP is using VistaHeads which is a web-based forum that leaches off these
newsgroups. He probably has no awareness that VistaHeads DOES leach off
these newsgroups....

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:14:26 +0100, "Gordon"
<> wrote:

>"Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>>
>> You're getting better. This thread died this year, almost THREE
>> MONTHS ago.
>
>The OP is using VistaHeads which is a web-based forum that leaches off these
>newsgroups. He probably has no awareness that VistaHeads DOES leach off
>these newsgroups....

Believe me Gordon, I know (I ain't a newb here, I'm the former
"Nonny").

I even have several of those damned vBulletin forums bookmarked so I
can see what folks like the OP are replying to before I go off on
them. I need to come up with a canned reply that includes
instructions on how to setup Windows Mail as a newsreader, but I'm too
lazy to set it up myself. I've used Agent since its beta.9 days.

"Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:14:26 +0100, "Gordon"
> <> wrote:
>
>>"Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>>
>>> You're getting better. This thread died this year, almost THREE
>>> MONTHS ago.
>>
>>The OP is using VistaHeads which is a web-based forum that leaches off
>>these
>>newsgroups. He probably has no awareness that VistaHeads DOES leach off
>>these newsgroups....
>
> Believe me Gordon, I know (I ain't a newb here, I'm the former
> "Nonny").
>
> I even have several of those damned vBulletin forums bookmarked so I
> can see what folks like the OP are replying to before I go off on
> them. I need to come up with a canned reply that includes
> instructions on how to setup Windows Mail as a newsreader, but I'm too
> lazy to set it up myself. I've used Agent since its beta.9 days.


Send you my "canned" responses to Vistaheads and to set up WM as a news
reader?

Gordon;932136 Wrote:
> "Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in messag
> news:..
>
> > You're getting better. This thread died this year, almost THRE
> > MONTHS ago
>
> The OP is using VistaHeads which is a web-based forum that leaches of
> thes
> newsgroups. He probably has no awareness that VistaHeads DOES leach of
> these newsgroups.... You're right, I am using VistaHeads and I was not aware that it leache
off of the newsgroups. I googled the problem, I eventually solved th
problem (with a new version of ifilter) and posted the solution o
VistaHeads. The fact that the thread died 3 months ago is irrelevant a
I'm guessing quite a few WordPerfect fans are still having problems wit
this Vista indexer. Hopefully this information will help somebody
(regardless of where it is posted) :eek

--
JK2
Posted via http://www.vistaheads.co