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GaryM
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      02-18-2007
If you are getting a cascaded (repeating) windows update frame issues then
read this post for the solution. Please bear with me as it's quite a long
explanation but it details exactly what I did to find the actual cause (and
subsequently fix it)...

This problem hit me about 2 weeks ago and I also notice there are quite a
few posts on here from other people with the same problem. Basically, the
problem manifests itself in a way that after going to the Windows Update
website, selecting the "custom" option button for updates and then getting
the available list of updates in the left hand menu, selecting anything other
than the default "High Priority" (i.e. selecting "Software, Optional" or
"Hardware, Optional") just causes the whole windows update page to be
re-displayed in the frame where the updates are usually shown. With this
problem there seems to be no way to get to and install anything other than
the high priority updates.

This became a major stumbling block for me because I religiously keep my PC
up-to-date with software updates other than just the high priority updates
and there seemed to be no-one who knew the answer.

Therefore, yesterday I took it upon myself to do some in-depth investigation
into this problem that had been bugging me for weeks by using a Virtual PC
session to try and replicate the problem as I really didn't want to have to
resort to rebuilding my real machine from scratch. The first thing I noticed
was that with a clean install of XP (with SP2) there was no problem with
Windows Update. I then proceeded to install every available update offered by
the Windows Update website. After this, still no problems...Windows Update
still worked perfectly. So...it MUST be a problem caused by some other
software installed on my machine. I therefore had no choice but to go through
the painful and time consuming task of installing every piece of software on
the Virtual PC that was on my real machine one at a time with a reboot of the
VPC and retry of the Windows Update after each installation until I found the
piece of software that "broke" Windows Update. After many hours and a very
long day I finally succeeded in tracking down the cause. It was actually some
software called "BitComet" which I had installed a new version of in just the
last few weeks (version 0.84 to be exact) so it tied in exactly with when my
Windows Update problem started happening. If I uninstalled the BitComet
software, Windows Update then worked perfectly again so the BitComet software
was definitely the cause of my problem. More detailed investigation (namely
the running of Filemon and Regmon during the installation of BitComet) showed
that it installed a new Browser Helper Object. With BitComet left installed
(and thus Windows Update "broken") I then went into Internet Explorer,
located the BitComet Browser Helper Object add-on, disabled it and then
restarted Internet Explorer. RESULT!!! Windows Update worked perfectly :-D
So...something in the BitComet Browser Helper Object was interfering with the
Windows Update processing in some way. I tried installing older versions of
BitComet and the problem seems to have been introduced in version 0.83 and
later as versions 0.82 and prior don't break the Windows Update process.

Even with a completely clean build of Windows XP SP2 and no Windows Updates
applied at all, after installing BitComet 0.84 it broke the Windows Update
process so the problem is not caused by any recent Windows Updates that have
been applied in the last few weeks...the Windows Update process is broken as
a direct result of something in the third party software Browser Helper
Objects.

In my particular case, BitComet 0.84 was the cause of the problem but if you
don't have that particular piece of software installed then it's possible
that a Browser Helper Object from another piece of software is the cause of
your problem. To find out which BHO might be causing your problem, do the
following (this is assuming you're running IE6 or IE7 in Windows XP
SP2...previous versions of XP and/or IE may differ)...

1) Open Internet Explorer
2) Select Tools -> Internet Options
3) Select the 'Programs' tab
4) Click the 'Manage add-ons' button
5) Select 'Add-ons that have been used by Internet Explorer' in the dropdown
6) Select each item in turn that has a Type of 'Browser Helper Object' and
disable it
7) Click OK
8) Start Windows Update (or Microsoft Update) and click the 'Custom' button
9) When the list of updates appear, you should now be able to select the
"Software, Optional" or "Hardware, Optional" without problems

After you've done this and proven that Windows Update is working properly
again with all Browser Helper Objects disabled, go back into the add-ons
dialog and re-enable each BHO one at a time trying the Windows Update process
after enabling each one. Doing this should allow you to pinpoint exactly
which BHO is the cause of the problem and you can then deal with it by either
just leaving that particular BHO disabled or uninstalling the software to
which it belongs.

I don't know who is actually to blame for this...Microsoft for allowing the
Windows Update process to be broken so easily with a BHO or the software
vendor for not testing their BHO properly but I'll be sending the vendors of
BitComet an email informing them of this problem so they will (hopefully)
address the problem in their BHO and fix it. I suggest that if anyone finds
any other software vendors whose BHOs appear to break the Windows Update
process that they post the name of the software (and version) in this thread
so there is a known list of software whose BHOs break the Windows Update
process.

I hope this will be of help to other people who like me have been tearing
their hair out over the last couple of weeks with this problem :-s
 
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AmigoEva
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      02-18-2007
Omg! Thanks a lot! It really worked for me. No wonder the Windows Update
started having nested windows after I formatted my laptop (cos I installed
the latest version of Bitcomet -_-)

Thanks once again!
 
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MaXeLL
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      02-18-2007
It works like a charm!!! Thank You for your patience, it was a bit hard to
find the source of the problem!
 
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Blue_InTheFace
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      02-19-2007
Ty Gary, excellent research work!

"GaryM" wrote:

> If you are getting a cascaded (repeating) windows update frame issues then
> read this post for the solution. Please bear with me as it's quite a long
> explanation but it details exactly what I did to find the actual cause (and
> subsequently fix it)...
>
> This problem hit me about 2 weeks ago and I also notice there are quite a
> few posts on here from other people with the same problem. Basically, the
> problem manifests itself in a way that after going to the Windows Update
> website, selecting the "custom" option button for updates and then getting
> the available list of updates in the left hand menu, selecting anything other
> than the default "High Priority" (i.e. selecting "Software, Optional" or
> "Hardware, Optional") just causes the whole windows update page to be
> re-displayed in the frame where the updates are usually shown. With this
> problem there seems to be no way to get to and install anything other than
> the high priority updates.
>
> This became a major stumbling block for me because I religiously keep my PC
> up-to-date with software updates other than just the high priority updates
> and there seemed to be no-one who knew the answer.
>
> Therefore, yesterday I took it upon myself to do some in-depth investigation
> into this problem that had been bugging me for weeks by using a Virtual PC
> session to try and replicate the problem as I really didn't want to have to
> resort to rebuilding my real machine from scratch. The first thing I noticed
> was that with a clean install of XP (with SP2) there was no problem with
> Windows Update. I then proceeded to install every available update offered by
> the Windows Update website. After this, still no problems...Windows Update
> still worked perfectly. So...it MUST be a problem caused by some other
> software installed on my machine. I therefore had no choice but to go through
> the painful and time consuming task of installing every piece of software on
> the Virtual PC that was on my real machine one at a time with a reboot of the
> VPC and retry of the Windows Update after each installation until I found the
> piece of software that "broke" Windows Update. After many hours and a very
> long day I finally succeeded in tracking down the cause. It was actually some
> software called "BitComet" which I had installed a new version of in just the
> last few weeks (version 0.84 to be exact) so it tied in exactly with when my
> Windows Update problem started happening. If I uninstalled the BitComet
> software, Windows Update then worked perfectly again so the BitComet software
> was definitely the cause of my problem. More detailed investigation (namely
> the running of Filemon and Regmon during the installation of BitComet) showed
> that it installed a new Browser Helper Object. With BitComet left installed
> (and thus Windows Update "broken") I then went into Internet Explorer,
> located the BitComet Browser Helper Object add-on, disabled it and then
> restarted Internet Explorer. RESULT!!! Windows Update worked perfectly :-D
> So...something in the BitComet Browser Helper Object was interfering with the
> Windows Update processing in some way. I tried installing older versions of
> BitComet and the problem seems to have been introduced in version 0.83 and
> later as versions 0.82 and prior don't break the Windows Update process.
>
> Even with a completely clean build of Windows XP SP2 and no Windows Updates
> applied at all, after installing BitComet 0.84 it broke the Windows Update
> process so the problem is not caused by any recent Windows Updates that have
> been applied in the last few weeks...the Windows Update process is broken as
> a direct result of something in the third party software Browser Helper
> Objects.
>
> In my particular case, BitComet 0.84 was the cause of the problem but if you
> don't have that particular piece of software installed then it's possible
> that a Browser Helper Object from another piece of software is the cause of
> your problem. To find out which BHO might be causing your problem, do the
> following (this is assuming you're running IE6 or IE7 in Windows XP
> SP2...previous versions of XP and/or IE may differ)...
>
> 1) Open Internet Explorer
> 2) Select Tools -> Internet Options
> 3) Select the 'Programs' tab
> 4) Click the 'Manage add-ons' button
> 5) Select 'Add-ons that have been used by Internet Explorer' in the dropdown
> 6) Select each item in turn that has a Type of 'Browser Helper Object' and
> disable it
> 7) Click OK
> 8) Start Windows Update (or Microsoft Update) and click the 'Custom' button
> 9) When the list of updates appear, you should now be able to select the
> "Software, Optional" or "Hardware, Optional" without problems
>
> After you've done this and proven that Windows Update is working properly
> again with all Browser Helper Objects disabled, go back into the add-ons
> dialog and re-enable each BHO one at a time trying the Windows Update process
> after enabling each one. Doing this should allow you to pinpoint exactly
> which BHO is the cause of the problem and you can then deal with it by either
> just leaving that particular BHO disabled or uninstalling the software to
> which it belongs.
>
> I don't know who is actually to blame for this...Microsoft for allowing the
> Windows Update process to be broken so easily with a BHO or the software
> vendor for not testing their BHO properly but I'll be sending the vendors of
> BitComet an email informing them of this problem so they will (hopefully)
> address the problem in their BHO and fix it. I suggest that if anyone finds
> any other software vendors whose BHOs appear to break the Windows Update
> process that they post the name of the software (and version) in this thread
> so there is a known list of software whose BHOs break the Windows Update
> process.
>
> I hope this will be of help to other people who like me have been tearing
> their hair out over the last couple of weeks with this problem :-s

 
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AmmC
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      02-19-2007
Thank you!!!! it was driving me nuts.

"Blue_InTheFace" wrote:

> Ty Gary, excellent research work!
>
> "GaryM" wrote:
>
> > If you are getting a cascaded (repeating) windows update frame issues then
> > read this post for the solution. Please bear with me as it's quite a long
> > explanation but it details exactly what I did to find the actual cause (and
> > subsequently fix it)...
> >
> > This problem hit me about 2 weeks ago and I also notice there are quite a
> > few posts on here from other people with the same problem. Basically, the
> > problem manifests itself in a way that after going to the Windows Update
> > website, selecting the "custom" option button for updates and then getting
> > the available list of updates in the left hand menu, selecting anything other
> > than the default "High Priority" (i.e. selecting "Software, Optional" or
> > "Hardware, Optional") just causes the whole windows update page to be
> > re-displayed in the frame where the updates are usually shown. With this
> > problem there seems to be no way to get to and install anything other than
> > the high priority updates.
> >
> > This became a major stumbling block for me because I religiously keep my PC
> > up-to-date with software updates other than just the high priority updates
> > and there seemed to be no-one who knew the answer.
> >
> > Therefore, yesterday I took it upon myself to do some in-depth investigation
> > into this problem that had been bugging me for weeks by using a Virtual PC
> > session to try and replicate the problem as I really didn't want to have to
> > resort to rebuilding my real machine from scratch. The first thing I noticed
> > was that with a clean install of XP (with SP2) there was no problem with
> > Windows Update. I then proceeded to install every available update offered by
> > the Windows Update website. After this, still no problems...Windows Update
> > still worked perfectly. So...it MUST be a problem caused by some other
> > software installed on my machine. I therefore had no choice but to go through
> > the painful and time consuming task of installing every piece of software on
> > the Virtual PC that was on my real machine one at a time with a reboot of the
> > VPC and retry of the Windows Update after each installation until I found the
> > piece of software that "broke" Windows Update. After many hours and a very
> > long day I finally succeeded in tracking down the cause. It was actually some
> > software called "BitComet" which I had installed a new version of in just the
> > last few weeks (version 0.84 to be exact) so it tied in exactly with when my
> > Windows Update problem started happening. If I uninstalled the BitComet
> > software, Windows Update then worked perfectly again so the BitComet software
> > was definitely the cause of my problem. More detailed investigation (namely
> > the running of Filemon and Regmon during the installation of BitComet) showed
> > that it installed a new Browser Helper Object. With BitComet left installed
> > (and thus Windows Update "broken") I then went into Internet Explorer,
> > located the BitComet Browser Helper Object add-on, disabled it and then
> > restarted Internet Explorer. RESULT!!! Windows Update worked perfectly :-D
> > So...something in the BitComet Browser Helper Object was interfering with the
> > Windows Update processing in some way. I tried installing older versions of
> > BitComet and the problem seems to have been introduced in version 0.83 and
> > later as versions 0.82 and prior don't break the Windows Update process.
> >
> > Even with a completely clean build of Windows XP SP2 and no Windows Updates
> > applied at all, after installing BitComet 0.84 it broke the Windows Update
> > process so the problem is not caused by any recent Windows Updates that have
> > been applied in the last few weeks...the Windows Update process is broken as
> > a direct result of something in the third party software Browser Helper
> > Objects.
> >
> > In my particular case, BitComet 0.84 was the cause of the problem but if you
> > don't have that particular piece of software installed then it's possible
> > that a Browser Helper Object from another piece of software is the cause of
> > your problem. To find out which BHO might be causing your problem, do the
> > following (this is assuming you're running IE6 or IE7 in Windows XP
> > SP2...previous versions of XP and/or IE may differ)...
> >
> > 1) Open Internet Explorer
> > 2) Select Tools -> Internet Options
> > 3) Select the 'Programs' tab
> > 4) Click the 'Manage add-ons' button
> > 5) Select 'Add-ons that have been used by Internet Explorer' in the dropdown
> > 6) Select each item in turn that has a Type of 'Browser Helper Object' and
> > disable it
> > 7) Click OK
> > 8) Start Windows Update (or Microsoft Update) and click the 'Custom' button
> > 9) When the list of updates appear, you should now be able to select the
> > "Software, Optional" or "Hardware, Optional" without problems
> >
> > After you've done this and proven that Windows Update is working properly
> > again with all Browser Helper Objects disabled, go back into the add-ons
> > dialog and re-enable each BHO one at a time trying the Windows Update process
> > after enabling each one. Doing this should allow you to pinpoint exactly
> > which BHO is the cause of the problem and you can then deal with it by either
> > just leaving that particular BHO disabled or uninstalling the software to
> > which it belongs.
> >
> > I don't know who is actually to blame for this...Microsoft for allowing the
> > Windows Update process to be broken so easily with a BHO or the software
> > vendor for not testing their BHO properly but I'll be sending the vendors of
> > BitComet an email informing them of this problem so they will (hopefully)
> > address the problem in their BHO and fix it. I suggest that if anyone finds
> > any other software vendors whose BHOs appear to break the Windows Update
> > process that they post the name of the software (and version) in this thread
> > so there is a known list of software whose BHOs break the Windows Update
> > process.
> >
> > I hope this will be of help to other people who like me have been tearing
> > their hair out over the last couple of weeks with this problem :-s

 
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EfrainMan
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      02-23-2007
Thank you thank you thank you!! TT_TT

Bloody BitComet... <.< >.>
 
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Phil92500
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      02-26-2007
Thank you. I had this problem too which is now fixed thanks to you.


 
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Wayne
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      02-26-2007


"GaryM" wrote:

> If you are getting a cascaded (repeating) windows update frame issues then
> read this post for the solution. Please bear with me as it's quite a long
> explanation but it details exactly what I did to find the actual cause (and
> subsequently fix it)...
>
> This problem hit me about 2 weeks ago and I also notice there are quite a
> few posts on here from other people with the same problem. Basically, the
> problem manifests itself in a way that after going to the Windows Update
> website, selecting the "custom" option button for updates and then getting
> the available list of updates in the left hand menu, selecting anything other
> than the default "High Priority" (i.e. selecting "Software, Optional" or
> "Hardware, Optional") just causes the whole windows update page to be
> re-displayed in the frame where the updates are usually shown. With this
> problem there seems to be no way to get to and install anything other than
> the high priority updates.
>
> This became a major stumbling block for me because I religiously keep my PC
> up-to-date with software updates other than just the high priority updates
> and there seemed to be no-one who knew the answer.
>
> Therefore, yesterday I took it upon myself to do some in-depth investigation
> into this problem that had been bugging me for weeks by using a Virtual PC
> session to try and replicate the problem as I really didn't want to have to
> resort to rebuilding my real machine from scratch. The first thing I noticed
> was that with a clean install of XP (with SP2) there was no problem with
> Windows Update. I then proceeded to install every available update offered by
> the Windows Update website. After this, still no problems...Windows Update
> still worked perfectly. So...it MUST be a problem caused by some other
> software installed on my machine. I therefore had no choice but to go through
> the painful and time consuming task of installing every piece of software on
> the Virtual PC that was on my real machine one at a time with a reboot of the
> VPC and retry of the Windows Update after each installation until I found the
> piece of software that "broke" Windows Update. After many hours and a very
> long day I finally succeeded in tracking down the cause. It was actually some
> software called "BitComet" which I had installed a new version of in just the
> last few weeks (version 0.84 to be exact) so it tied in exactly with when my
> Windows Update problem started happening. If I uninstalled the BitComet
> software, Windows Update then worked perfectly again so the BitComet software
> was definitely the cause of my problem. More detailed investigation (namely
> the running of Filemon and Regmon during the installation of BitComet) showed
> that it installed a new Browser Helper Object. With BitComet left installed
> (and thus Windows Update "broken") I then went into Internet Explorer,
> located the BitComet Browser Helper Object add-on, disabled it and then
> restarted Internet Explorer. RESULT!!! Windows Update worked perfectly :-D
> So...something in the BitComet Browser Helper Object was interfering with the
> Windows Update processing in some way. I tried installing older versions of
> BitComet and the problem seems to have been introduced in version 0.83 and
> later as versions 0.82 and prior don't break the Windows Update process.
>
> Even with a completely clean build of Windows XP SP2 and no Windows Updates
> applied at all, after installing BitComet 0.84 it broke the Windows Update
> process so the problem is not caused by any recent Windows Updates that have
> been applied in the last few weeks...the Windows Update process is broken as
> a direct result of something in the third party software Browser Helper
> Objects.
>
> In my particular case, BitComet 0.84 was the cause of the problem but if you
> don't have that particular piece of software installed then it's possible
> that a Browser Helper Object from another piece of software is the cause of
> your problem. To find out which BHO might be causing your problem, do the
> following (this is assuming you're running IE6 or IE7 in Windows XP
> SP2...previous versions of XP and/or IE may differ)...
>
> 1) Open Internet Explorer
> 2) Select Tools -> Internet Options
> 3) Select the 'Programs' tab
> 4) Click the 'Manage add-ons' button
> 5) Select 'Add-ons that have been used by Internet Explorer' in the dropdown
> 6) Select each item in turn that has a Type of 'Browser Helper Object' and
> disable it
> 7) Click OK
> 8) Start Windows Update (or Microsoft Update) and click the 'Custom' button
> 9) When the list of updates appear, you should now be able to select the
> "Software, Optional" or "Hardware, Optional" without problems
>
> After you've done this and proven that Windows Update is working properly
> again with all Browser Helper Objects disabled, go back into the add-ons
> dialog and re-enable each BHO one at a time trying the Windows Update process
> after enabling each one. Doing this should allow you to pinpoint exactly
> which BHO is the cause of the problem and you can then deal with it by either
> just leaving that particular BHO disabled or uninstalling the software to
> which it belongs.
>
> I don't know who is actually to blame for this...Microsoft for allowing the
> Windows Update process to be broken so easily with a BHO or the software
> vendor for not testing their BHO properly but I'll be sending the vendors of
> BitComet an email informing them of this problem so they will (hopefully)
> address the problem in their BHO and fix it. I suggest that if anyone finds
> any other software vendors whose BHOs appear to break the Windows Update
> process that they post the name of the software (and version) in this thread
> so there is a known list of software whose BHOs break the Windows Update
> process.
>
> I hope this will be of help to other people who like me have been tearing
> their hair out over the last couple of weeks with this problem :-s

 
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prolixuk
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      02-27-2007
> I hope this will be of help to other people who like me have been tearing
> their hair out over the last couple of weeks with this problem :-s


Worked like a charm. Thank you very much for the fix.
 
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DanGo
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      02-28-2007
Brilliant!

Keywords to find this post:
ie7 Microsoft update fails cascading frames optional

Fix failing microsoft update top level window displayed in sub-window.

 
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