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jim
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      10-21-2007
(from http://www.11alive.com/tech/article_...storyid=105115)

AP Tests Comcast's File-Sharing Filter



NEW YORK (AP) -- To test claims by users that Comcast Corp. was blocking
some forms of file-sharing traffic, The Associated Press went to the Bible.

An AP reporter attempted to download, using file-sharing program BitTorrent,
a copy of the King James Bible from two computers in the Philadelphia and
San Francisco areas, both of which were connected to the Internet through
Comcast cable modems.

We picked the Bible for the test because it's not protected by copyright and
the file is a convenient size.

In two out of three tries, the transfer was blocked. In the third, the
transfer started only after a 10-minute delay. When we tried to upload files
that were in demand by a wider number of BitTorrent users, those connections
were also blocked.

Not all Comcast-connected computers appear to be affected, however. In a
test with a third Comcast-connected computer in the Boston area, we were
unable to test with the Bible, apparently due to an unrelated error. When we
attempted to upload a more widely disseminated file, there was no evidence
of blocking.

The Bible test was conducted with three other Internet connections. One was
provided by Time Warner Inc.'s Time Warner Cable, and the other came from
Cablevision Systems Corp. The third was the business-class connection to the
AP's headquarters.

No signs of interference with file-sharing were detected in those tests.

Further analysis of the transfer attempt from the Comcast-connected computer
in the San Francisco area revealed that the failure was due to "reset"
packets that the two computers received, carrying the return address of the
other computer.

Those packets tell the receiving computer to stop communicating with the
sender. However, the traffic analyzer software running on each computer
showed that neither computer actually sent the packets. That means they
originated somewhere in between, with faked return addresses.

In tests analyzing the traffic received by a computer on Time Warner Cable
that was trying to download a file from a large "swarm" of BitTorrent users,
more than half of the reset packets received carried the return addresses of
Comcast subscribers, even though Comcast's 12.4 million residential
customers make up only about 20 percent of U.S. broadband subscribers. It
was the only U.S. Internet service provider whose subscribers consistently
appeared to send reset packets (which are occasionally generated
legitimately).

Comcast subscriber Robb Topolski, who discovered the blocking earlier this
year and traced it to reset packets, pointed out that a Canadian company
called Sandvine Inc. sells equipment that promises to save bandwidth for
Internet service providers by managing and redirecting file-sharing traffic.

BitTorrent Inc. President Ashwin Navin said that the interference method on
Comcast's network is consistent with Sandvine's technology. Sandvine did not
respond to a request for comment.

Comcast spokesman Charlie Douglas would not confirm that the company uses
Sandvine equipment.

"We rarely disclose our vendors or our processes for operating our network
for competitive reasons and to protect against network abuse," he said.



(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)




 
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      10-21-2007
How do you expect Jesus to collect his royalties if we're to allow the Bible
to be freely distributed on BitTorrent?

Stealing is stealing!

"jim" <> wrote in message
news:c6MSi.2995$...
> (from http://www.11alive.com/tech/article_...storyid=105115)
>
> AP Tests Comcast's File-Sharing Filter
>
>
>
> NEW YORK (AP) -- To test claims by users that Comcast Corp. was blocking
> some forms of file-sharing traffic, The Associated Press went to the
> Bible.
>
> An AP reporter attempted to download, using file-sharing program
> BitTorrent, a copy of the King James Bible from two computers in the
> Philadelphia and San Francisco areas, both of which were connected to the
> Internet through Comcast cable modems.
>
> We picked the Bible for the test because it's not protected by copyright
> and the file is a convenient size.
>
> In two out of three tries, the transfer was blocked. In the third, the
> transfer started only after a 10-minute delay. When we tried to upload
> files that were in demand by a wider number of BitTorrent users, those
> connections were also blocked.
>
> Not all Comcast-connected computers appear to be affected, however. In a
> test with a third Comcast-connected computer in the Boston area, we were
> unable to test with the Bible, apparently due to an unrelated error. When
> we attempted to upload a more widely disseminated file, there was no
> evidence of blocking.
>
> The Bible test was conducted with three other Internet connections. One
> was provided by Time Warner Inc.'s Time Warner Cable, and the other came
> from Cablevision Systems Corp. The third was the business-class connection
> to the AP's headquarters.
>
> No signs of interference with file-sharing were detected in those tests.
>
> Further analysis of the transfer attempt from the Comcast-connected
> computer in the San Francisco area revealed that the failure was due to
> "reset" packets that the two computers received, carrying the return
> address of the other computer.
>
> Those packets tell the receiving computer to stop communicating with the
> sender. However, the traffic analyzer software running on each computer
> showed that neither computer actually sent the packets. That means they
> originated somewhere in between, with faked return addresses.
>
> In tests analyzing the traffic received by a computer on Time Warner Cable
> that was trying to download a file from a large "swarm" of BitTorrent
> users, more than half of the reset packets received carried the return
> addresses of Comcast subscribers, even though Comcast's 12.4 million
> residential customers make up only about 20 percent of U.S. broadband
> subscribers. It was the only U.S. Internet service provider whose
> subscribers consistently appeared to send reset packets (which are
> occasionally generated legitimately).
>
> Comcast subscriber Robb Topolski, who discovered the blocking earlier this
> year and traced it to reset packets, pointed out that a Canadian company
> called Sandvine Inc. sells equipment that promises to save bandwidth for
> Internet service providers by managing and redirecting file-sharing
> traffic.
>
> BitTorrent Inc. President Ashwin Navin said that the interference method
> on Comcast's network is consistent with Sandvine's technology. Sandvine
> did not respond to a request for comment.
>
> Comcast spokesman Charlie Douglas would not confirm that the company uses
> Sandvine equipment.
>
> "We rarely disclose our vendors or our processes for operating our network
> for competitive reasons and to protect against network abuse," he said.
>
>
>
> (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
>
>
>
>



 
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      10-21-2007
On Oct 21, 1:43 pm, "Robin" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
> How do you expect Jesus to collect his royalties if we're to allow the Bible
> to be freely distributed on BitTorrent?


Jesus' copyright is good only for the red words.

 
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      10-21-2007
"jim" <> wrote in message
news:c6MSi.2995$...
> (from http://www.11alive.com/tech/article_...storyid=105115)
>
> AP Tests Comcast's File-Sharing Filter
>
> ... An AP reporter attempted to download, using file-sharing program
> BitTorrent, a copy of the King James Bible
> ...
> We picked the Bible for the test because it's not protected by
> copyright and the file is a convenient size.
> ...


Another possible reason for choosing the KJV Bible is because it makes
a good headline:

"Comcast blocks users from reading Bible!"

<smile>
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      10-21-2007
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:08:17 -0400, Chris Cowles wrote:

> "jim" <> wrote in message
> news:c6MSi.2995$...
>> (from http://www.11alive.com/tech/article_...storyid=105115)
>>
>> AP Tests Comcast's File-Sharing Filter
>>
>> ... An AP reporter attempted to download, using file-sharing program
>> BitTorrent, a copy of the King James Bible ...
>> We picked the Bible for the test because it's not protected by
>> copyright and the file is a convenient size. ...

>
> Another possible reason for choosing the KJV Bible is because it makes a
> good headline:
>
> "Comcast blocks users from reading Bible!"
>
> <smile>


While this is bad, one can go to a site like Biblegateway and read it the
intarweb. Try even just reading a bible online in Saudi Arabia. They'll
probably throw you in jail and flog you.
 
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      10-22-2007
In article <c6MSi.2995$>,
says...
> An AP reporter attempted to download, using file-sharing program BitTorrent,
> a copy of the King James Bible from two computers in the Philadelphia and
> San Francisco areas, both of which were connected to the Internet through
> Comcast cable modems.


Now if we could just get AOL users and COMCAST users blocked completely


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      10-22-2007
Comcast$ astroturfer Robin wrote on behalf of Comcast$:

> How do you expect Jesus to collect his royalties if we're to allow the
> Bible to be freely distributed on BitTorrent?
>
> Stealing is stealing!


Jesus shares his bible and doesn't call it stealing.
Its called spreading of the word.

Only heathens worshipping the devil call it stealing.
Only heathens listen to devils and astroturf on behalf of Comcast$
management pretending it all to be otherwise for the
sake of 30 pieces of silver.


 
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      10-22-2007

Jesus has no right to any of the royalties. He didn't write any part of
the bilbe.


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      10-22-2007
Robin wrote:
> How do you expect Jesus to collect his royalties if we're to allow the Bible
> to be freely distributed on BitTorrent?
>
> Stealing is stealing!
>
> "jim" <> wrote in message
> news:c6MSi.2995$...
>> (from http://www.11alive.com/tech/article_...storyid=105115)
>>
>> AP Tests Comcast's File-Sharing Filter
>>
>>
>>
>> NEW YORK (AP) -- To test claims by users that Comcast Corp. was blocking
>> some forms of file-sharing traffic, The Associated Press went to the
>> Bible.
>>
>> An AP reporter attempted to download, using file-sharing program
>> BitTorrent, a copy of the King James Bible from two computers in the
>> Philadelphia and San Francisco areas, both of which were connected to the
>> Internet through Comcast cable modems.
>>
>> We picked the Bible for the test because it's not protected by copyright
>> and the file is a convenient size.
>>
>> In two out of three tries, the transfer was blocked. In the third, the
>> transfer started only after a 10-minute delay. When we tried to upload
>> files that were in demand by a wider number of BitTorrent users, those
>> connections were also blocked.
>>
>> Not all Comcast-connected computers appear to be affected, however. In a
>> test with a third Comcast-connected computer in the Boston area, we were
>> unable to test with the Bible, apparently due to an unrelated error. When
>> we attempted to upload a more widely disseminated file, there was no
>> evidence of blocking.
>>
>> The Bible test was conducted with three other Internet connections. One
>> was provided by Time Warner Inc.'s Time Warner Cable, and the other came
>> from Cablevision Systems Corp. The third was the business-class connection
>> to the AP's headquarters.
>>
>> No signs of interference with file-sharing were detected in those tests.
>>
>> Further analysis of the transfer attempt from the Comcast-connected
>> computer in the San Francisco area revealed that the failure was due to
>> "reset" packets that the two computers received, carrying the return
>> address of the other computer.
>>
>> Those packets tell the receiving computer to stop communicating with the
>> sender. However, the traffic analyzer software running on each computer
>> showed that neither computer actually sent the packets. That means they
>> originated somewhere in between, with faked return addresses.
>>
>> In tests analyzing the traffic received by a computer on Time Warner Cable
>> that was trying to download a file from a large "swarm" of BitTorrent
>> users, more than half of the reset packets received carried the return
>> addresses of Comcast subscribers, even though Comcast's 12.4 million
>> residential customers make up only about 20 percent of U.S. broadband
>> subscribers. It was the only U.S. Internet service provider whose
>> subscribers consistently appeared to send reset packets (which are
>> occasionally generated legitimately).
>>
>> Comcast subscriber Robb Topolski, who discovered the blocking earlier this
>> year and traced it to reset packets, pointed out that a Canadian company
>> called Sandvine Inc. sells equipment that promises to save bandwidth for
>> Internet service providers by managing and redirecting file-sharing
>> traffic.
>>
>> BitTorrent Inc. President Ashwin Navin said that the interference method
>> on Comcast's network is consistent with Sandvine's technology. Sandvine
>> did not respond to a request for comment.
>>
>> Comcast spokesman Charlie Douglas would not confirm that the company uses
>> Sandvine equipment.
>>
>> "We rarely disclose our vendors or our processes for operating our network
>> for competitive reasons and to protect against network abuse," he said.
>>
>>
>>
>> (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>



FYI, the KJV text is pretty much like public domain, which is why it's
included in so many free Bible programs. It is not copyrighted with
royalties like other versions of the Bible. I think KJV Bible makers
can copyright their additions (study helps) to it as a derived work,
which is why you may see copyrights in theirs.

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it. In my childhood we were always assured that the brain was a
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that Sherrington, the great British neuroscientist, thought that the
brain worked like a telegraph system. Freud often compared the brain to
hydraulic and electro-magnetic systems. Leibniz compared it to a mill,
and I am told some of the ancient Greeks thought the brain functions
like a catapult. At present, obviously, the metaphor is the digital
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      10-22-2007
On Oct 21, 11:15 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Comcast$ astroturfer Robin wrote on behalf of Comcast$:
>
> > How do you expect Jesus to collect his royalties if we're to allow the
> > Bible to be freely distributed on BitTorrent?

>
> > Stealing is stealing!

>
> Jesus shares his bible and doesn't call it stealing.
> Its called spreading of the word.
>
> Only heathens worshipping the devil call it stealing.
> Only heathens listen to devils and astroturf on behalf of Comcast$
> management pretending it all to be otherwise for the
> sake of 30 pieces of silver.


It was a joke, moron.

 
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