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HDCD logo not displayed in media player 10 or 11, not supported??

 
 
LukeS
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      11-03-2009
Hi,
The HDCD logo does not appear in windows media player 11.0.6002.18111 when
playing a HDCD. I have a vista computer with a 24-bit creative sound card.

The HDCD logo shows up in the bottom left corner of media player 9, which I
have running on my windows XP desktop with a 24-bit soundcard. I have not
upgraded to a later version on that machine because I want to keep HDCD
playback.

Did Microsoft remove HDCD playback in media player 10 and 11?

I have enabled 24-bit output under options -> devices -> speakers.

Any ideas? Thanks
- Luke

 
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LukeS
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      11-03-2009
Update: There is definitely a bug in windows media player that need
correcting..

If I turn OFF 24-bit output under options -> devices -> speakers which is
required for HDCD playback and restart media player the HDCD logo will appear
when playing a HDCD, if I then turn 24-bit playback back on and restart
windows media player the logo will not be shown during HDCD playback.

How do I submit this issue to Microsoft developers for fixing?
 
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Vincent
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      11-03-2009
I don’t think this is a bug.
HDCD is a special type of CD.
It uses the LSB (Last Significant Bit) of the 16 available to store some
extra information.
The moment you tell WMP to generate 24 bit output, 8 zero’s will be padded
to the file so the LSB is always zero.
But it is a CD so 16 bits and should be played as such.
If it was 24 bits, no CD player could play it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_De...atible_Digital

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"LukeS" wrote:

> Update: There is definitely a bug in windows media player that need
> correcting..
>
> If I turn OFF 24-bit output under options -> devices -> speakers which is
> required for HDCD playback and restart media player the HDCD logo will appear
> when playing a HDCD, if I then turn 24-bit playback back on and restart
> windows media player the logo will not be shown during HDCD playback.
>
> How do I submit this issue to Microsoft developers for fixing?

 
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LukeS
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      11-04-2009
Hi Vincent,
I respectfully disagree, this is definitely a bug, no doubt about it. It
clearly states in options -> devices -> speakers -> properties

"This option enables higher-quality audio CDs, such as HDCDs, to play back
at their full audio quality." Thus this must be checked too allow HDCD
playback.

You must have a 24-bit audio card to play the 20-bit HDCD audio data. Many
standard 16-bit audio cards found in most computers will not support this so
windows media player do not decode the HDCD data and sends the CD PCM data to
the sound card at the standard 16-bit. Since there are no 20-bit DAC \
soundcards when HDCD decoding is enabled the 20-bit decoded data is padded
out to 24-bit and then sent to the sound card (the sound card then sends the
24-bit audio data to the DAC at 24-bits).

How do we get a developers attention on this issue?


"Vincent" wrote:

> I don’t think this is a bug.
> HDCD is a special type of CD.
> It uses the LSB (Last Significant Bit) of the 16 available to store some
> extra information.
> The moment you tell WMP to generate 24 bit output, 8 zero’s will be padded
> to the file so the LSB is always zero.
> But it is a CD so 16 bits and should be played as such.
> If it was 24 bits, no CD player could play it.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_De...atible_Digital
>
> --
>
> http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com
>
>
>
> "LukeS" wrote:
>
> > Update: There is definitely a bug in windows media player that need
> > correcting..
> >
> > If I turn OFF 24-bit output under options -> devices -> speakers which is
> > required for HDCD playback and restart media player the HDCD logo will appear
> > when playing a HDCD, if I then turn 24-bit playback back on and restart
> > windows media player the logo will not be shown during HDCD playback.
> >
> > How do I submit this issue to Microsoft developers for fixing?

 
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Panzy
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      11-04-2009

"LukeS" <> wrote in message
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> Hi Vincent,
> I respectfully disagree, this is definitely a bug, no doubt about it. It
> clearly states in options -> devices -> speakers -> properties
>
> "This option enables higher-quality audio CDs, such as HDCDs, to play back
> at their full audio quality." Thus this must be checked too allow HDCD
> playback.
>
> You must have a 24-bit audio card to play the 20-bit HDCD audio data.
> Many
> standard 16-bit audio cards found in most computers will not support this
> so
> windows media player do not decode the HDCD data and sends the CD PCM data
> to
> the sound card at the standard 16-bit. Since there are no 20-bit DAC \
> soundcards when HDCD decoding is enabled the 20-bit decoded data is padded
> out to 24-bit and then sent to the sound card (the sound card then sends
> the
> 24-bit audio data to the DAC at 24-bits).
>
> How do we get a developers attention on this issue?
>
>

Hi
I have to first say that I don't actually have any HDCD's.
And all I can gather is that for playback of such HDCD's requires
compatible hardware (which you have), or playback defaults to
the red book sixteen binary digits and bandlimited (16bit/44khz)
This seems to be so that such disc's are also compatible with
all cd players and media players etc.
Regardless if the logo displays, I'd assume one could easily discern
if playback is actually the HDCD encoded content or 16 bit
red book content.
It's not clear if the problem is that when you have correctly configured
your hardware + software, that playback defaults to red book 16bit
playback or if HDCD content playback is achieved in all it's glory
but just that the logo dosen't display?
If it is defaulting to 16 bit playback, I'd first suspect configuration
settings to be the prime culprit, double check you have it all configured
correctly. But it could also be a number of issues causing to default to
16 bit - copy protection or DRM of some sort maybe? A soundcard driver
update? Or a visit to the support/troubleshooter/FAQ of the manufacturer
of your soundcard - it maybe an issue known to them?
If it is just the logo fails to display but HDCD playback is achieved
then that would indicate it is indeed a bug with WMP?

As for reporting it as a bug, well a brief search engine scout reveals
it to be a longstanding annoyance with many, and reported many times.
Just one example which you may like to try, turn on Hardware acceleration
(though that didn't work for that HDCD devotee)
http://www.atforumz.com/archive/index.php/t-304147.html

From the same thread as above was this link:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...ic=30999&st=25
Though at first it may not seem relevent to your problem, the issue
seems to be copying HDCD content. It seems from other results that
HDCD content cannot be fed via the digital outputs of standalone players -
the output from coax and fibre optic outputs of such players to off board
DAC's will be 16bit only, not the higher sampling 20bit HDCD content?
Again, this may not be relevent to you, but a search revealed that owners
of standalone HDCD capable cd players found that they had to disable
the digital outputs of their machines to achieve HDCD playback on those
machines? This would seem to be a token gesture to prevent HDCD copying.
This shouldn't be an issue with a PC as the drive would be iDE or SATA and
capable of of full bandwidth transfer amyway, but you could try disabling
the digital outputs of your soundcard to see if that is the reason HDCD
refuses
to play ball?

But, your problem caught my attention, though I don't have a solution nor
experiance of HDCD, your problem seems to be a longstanding known issue.
You could try wading through all the results a search produces as somewhere
in there someone may have a solution or had received an explaination from
Microsoft. Try these search terms in google, ask, etc:
HDCD media playback (also try adding OS and version of WMP in serach term)
HDCD logo problem
HDCD problem





 
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Vincent
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      11-04-2009
Hi LukeS

I obvious misinterpreted your post
Sorry.
Vincent
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"LukeS" wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
> I respectfully disagree, this is definitely a bug, no doubt about it. It
> clearly states in options -> devices -> speakers -> properties
>
> "This option enables higher-quality audio CDs, such as HDCDs, to play back
> at their full audio quality." Thus this must be checked too allow HDCD
> playback.
>
> You must have a 24-bit audio card to play the 20-bit HDCD audio data. Many
> standard 16-bit audio cards found in most computers will not support this so
> windows media player do not decode the HDCD data and sends the CD PCM data to
> the sound card at the standard 16-bit. Since there are no 20-bit DAC \
> soundcards when HDCD decoding is enabled the 20-bit decoded data is padded
> out to 24-bit and then sent to the sound card (the sound card then sends the
> 24-bit audio data to the DAC at 24-bits).
>
> How do we get a developers attention on this issue?
>
>
> "Vincent" wrote:
>
> > I don’t think this is a bug.
> > HDCD is a special type of CD.
> > It uses the LSB (Last Significant Bit) of the 16 available to store some
> > extra information.
> > The moment you tell WMP to generate 24 bit output, 8 zero’s will be padded
> > to the file so the LSB is always zero.
> > But it is a CD so 16 bits and should be played as such.
> > If it was 24 bits, no CD player could play it.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_De...atible_Digital
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com
> >
> >
> >
> > "LukeS" wrote:
> >
> > > Update: There is definitely a bug in windows media player that need
> > > correcting..
> > >
> > > If I turn OFF 24-bit output under options -> devices -> speakers which is
> > > required for HDCD playback and restart media player the HDCD logo will appear
> > > when playing a HDCD, if I then turn 24-bit playback back on and restart
> > > windows media player the logo will not be shown during HDCD playback.
> > >
> > > How do I submit this issue to Microsoft developers for fixing?

 
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zachd [MSFT]
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      11-24-2009

HDCD is supported. You don't mention the precise sound card, but if the
system is constant (same system, same sound card), I'd potentially check if
they're running the same driver version.

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"LukeS" <> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> The HDCD logo does not appear in windows media player 11.0.6002.18111 when
> playing a HDCD. I have a vista computer with a 24-bit creative sound
> card.
>
> The HDCD logo shows up in the bottom left corner of media player 9, which
> I
> have running on my windows XP desktop with a 24-bit soundcard. I have not
> upgraded to a later version on that machine because I want to keep HDCD
> playback.
>
> Did Microsoft remove HDCD playback in media player 10 and 11?
>
> I have enabled 24-bit output under options -> devices -> speakers.
>
> Any ideas? Thanks
> - Luke
>



 
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