HDTV - Timeline?

I understand that the XP MCE does not support HDTV,
However is there a timeframe which Microsoft has on
releasing a version that does? I am in love with the
capabilites however without a HDTV tuner it is a step
back for most of us early adopter techies... I am sure
that when they introduce a HDTV tuner sales will jump as
there are tons of us just waiting for it. Without HDTV
the product truly suffers!

John,

Even if there is, I don't think it will be announced until is out. Most
corporations -MSFT included- do not like telling about what they are
cooking. Now, if you ask me, I'm sure they are working on it, as it is one
of the most requested features, but it may be available in 6 months, a year,
2,....only they know if...and when.

Regards,

Luis

"John" <> wrote in message
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> I understand that the XP MCE does not support HDTV,
> However is there a timeframe which Microsoft has on
> releasing a version that does? I am in love with the
> capabilites however without a HDTV tuner it is a step
> back for most of us early adopter techies... I am sure
> that when they introduce a HDTV tuner sales will jump as
> there are tons of us just waiting for it. Without HDTV
> the product truly suffers!

I think the biggest problem will be getting the TV tuner card companies to
make a card that has an ATSC tuner and which will accept HDTV inputs from
component, ,DVI or HDMI connections along with MPEP2 HDTV encoding. The STB
makers will probably lead the way towards HDTV PVR capabilities. I agree
with your estimate of 1 to 2 years.
JW

"Luis A. Burgos [MCE MVP]" <> wrote in message
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> John,
>
> Even if there is, I don't think it will be announced until is out. Most
> corporations -MSFT included- do not like telling about what they are
> cooking. Now, if you ask me, I'm sure they are working on it, as it is one
> of the most requested features, but it may be available in 6 months, a
year,
> 2,....only they know if...and when.
>
> Regards,
>
> Luis
>
> "John" <> wrote in message
> news:049701c39b16$d0ef5f00$...
> > I understand that the XP MCE does not support HDTV,
> > However is there a timeframe which Microsoft has on
> > releasing a version that does? I am in love with the
> > capabilites however without a HDTV tuner it is a step
> > back for most of us early adopter techies... I am sure
> > that when they introduce a HDTV tuner sales will jump as
> > there are tons of us just waiting for it. Without HDTV
> > the product truly suffers!
>
>

I'm beating 2/3 years after all none of today HDTV card can record in diff frame size and need very fast system just decode HDTV
under software why think all HDTV card that have come out all have Hardware Decorder on them and thoses that don't are nothing but
headack.

> I think the biggest problem will be getting the TV tuner card companies to
> make a card that has an ATSC tuner and which will accept HDTV inputs from
> component, ,DVI or HDMI connections along with MPEP2 HDTV encoding. The STB
> makers will probably lead the way towards HDTV PVR capabilities. I agree
> with your estimate of 1 to 2 years.
> JW
>
> "Luis A. Burgos [MCE MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > John,
> >
> > Even if there is, I don't think it will be announced until is out. Most
> > corporations -MSFT included- do not like telling about what they are
> > cooking. Now, if you ask me, I'm sure they are working on it, as it is one
> > of the most requested features, but it may be available in 6 months, a
> year,
> > 2,....only they know if...and when.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Luis
> >
> > "John" <> wrote in message
> > news:049701c39b16$d0ef5f00$...
> > > I understand that the XP MCE does not support HDTV,
> > > However is there a timeframe which Microsoft has on
> > > releasing a version that does? I am in love with the
> > > capabilites however without a HDTV tuner it is a step
> > > back for most of us early adopter techies... I am sure
> > > that when they introduce a HDTV tuner sales will jump as
> > > there are tons of us just waiting for it. Without HDTV
> > > the product truly suffers!
> >
> >
>
>

"JW" <JW@NoSpam> wrote in message
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> I think the biggest problem will be getting the TV tuner card companies
> to make a card that has an ATSC tuner and which will accept HDTV inputs
> from component, ,DVI or HDMI connections along with MPEP2 HDTV encoding.
> The STB makers will probably lead the way towards HDTV PVR capabilities.
> I agree with your estimate of 1 to 2 years.

More realistically, MCE will support HDTV _where it is possible_. ATSC and
DVB PC receiver cards readily exist, so all MCE needs is support for ATSC,
DVB-C and DVB-S to get at HDTV signals.

As to re-digitizing/re-encoding HDTV signals from an STB, I don't think
we'll see that for some time to come. For one, because the hardware simply
does not exist, and then because there tends to be a REASON why some
systems DEMAND proprietary STBs for reception, and the owners of theses
systems would probably not like if Microsoft offered a solution to "steal"
their HDTV content.

In other words: If you have an "open" system through which you receive HDTV
(e.g. FTA ATSC or FTA DVB-S), MCE supporting that in a future version is
likely. If you have a "closed" system, it is rather unlikely.

Regards,«
--
Robert Schlabbach
e-mail:
Berlin, Germany

My understanding is that raw HDTV can take up to 18gb per hour in
storage space. While the processing power is available today, the
bottleneck will be, for some time, sheer storage capacity. We're
talking Terabytes of space to be a credible repository of HDTV shows
if you want to keep them for any length of time.

Of course, there is the associated issue of the Broadcast Flag being
set by default by the networks, potentially eliminating the ability
of users to record HDTV in the first place.

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Everything about Windows XP Media Center Edition

For now I would be extremely pleased with an intermediate
solution:

Receive HDTV and record it widescreen at DVD resolution

The fact the the signal is digital and widescreen would
result in a superlative experience even if it is not
technically HDTV. Afterall, who can actually claim that
DVD quality stinks. If on top of this Microsoft got a
hardware maker to hardware encode and decode to Windows
Media 9 format, the storage used would be less than what
current MCE 2004 offers. Better picture, less storage,
that would be a worthwhile compromise.

Jose

>-----Original Message-----
>I understand that the XP MCE does not support HDTV,
>However is there a timeframe which Microsoft has on
>releasing a version that does? I am in love with the
>capabilites however without a HDTV tuner it is a step
>back for most of us early adopter techies... I am sure
>that when they introduce a HDTV tuner sales will jump as
>there are tons of us just waiting for it. Without HDTV
>the product truly suffers!
>.
>

Robert,
I have been unable to find an ATSC tuner code that also has PVR software
with it which is direct or which uses MPEG2 encoding. Can you suggest one.
JW
"Robert Schlabbach" <> wrote in message
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> "JW" <JW@NoSpam> wrote in message
> news:...
> > I think the biggest problem will be getting the TV tuner card companies
> > to make a card that has an ATSC tuner and which will accept HDTV inputs
> > from component, ,DVI or HDMI connections along with MPEP2 HDTV encoding.
> > The STB makers will probably lead the way towards HDTV PVR capabilities.
> > I agree with your estimate of 1 to 2 years.
>
> More realistically, MCE will support HDTV _where it is possible_. ATSC and
> DVB PC receiver cards readily exist, so all MCE needs is support for ATSC,
> DVB-C and DVB-S to get at HDTV signals.
>
> As to re-digitizing/re-encoding HDTV signals from an STB, I don't think
> we'll see that for some time to come. For one, because the hardware simply
> does not exist, and then because there tends to be a REASON why some
> systems DEMAND proprietary STBs for reception, and the owners of theses
> systems would probably not like if Microsoft offered a solution to "steal"
> their HDTV content.
>
> In other words: If you have an "open" system through which you receive
HDTV
> (e.g. FTA ATSC or FTA DVB-S), MCE supporting that in a future version is
> likely. If you have a "closed" system, it is rather unlikely.
>
> Regards,«
> --
> Robert Schlabbach
> e-mail:
> Berlin, Germany
>
>

"JW" <JW@NoSpam> wrote in message
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> I have been unable to find an ATSC tuner code that also has PVR software
> with it which is direct or which uses MPEG2 encoding. Can you suggest
one.

You don't need MPEG-2 encoding with a digital receiver card . As to
suggesting an ATSC card - I'm in Europe, so DVB is all I care about

Regards,«
--
Robert Schlabbach
e-mail:
Berlin, Germany

You are perfectly correct my mistake on , thinking I needed encoding for the
ATSC signal. You would only need it for the HDTV component, DVI or HDMI
inputs.
Thank you for correcting me.
JW
"Robert Schlabbach" <> wrote in message
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> "JW" <JW@NoSpam> wrote in message
> news:ei9RuI$...
> > I have been unable to find an ATSC tuner code that also has PVR software
> > with it which is direct or which uses MPEG2 encoding. Can you suggest
> one.
>
> You don't need MPEG-2 encoding with a digital receiver card . As to
> suggesting an ATSC card - I'm in Europe, so DVB is all I care about
>
> Regards,«
> --
> Robert Schlabbach
> e-mail:
> Berlin, Germany
>
>