Help--what happened to 6GB?

chanook*xyz
I have a vista home basic--32bit--with SP1 and all is working just fine. I
did the defragger just to do a sort of a cleanup. Suppose I goofed by doing
it??
I had 23.7gb left on my hard drive. I downloaded the piriform defragger, it
ran and did whatever it does and now I have 6gb less than before the
defragger ran!! Where oh where did 6gb disappear too?? Since I am a total
novice with computers, I wouldn't know the first thing about trying to
recover those 6gb. Can someone give me an explanation, please?? I would
greatly appreciate it. thank you.


From: "Jacek Godorowski" <>
Subject: Re: Any way to obtain details in disk defragmenter?
Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 AM

That's true.

If you want graphic, safer and much faster use defraggler from
http://www.defraggler.com/

It's free and it's from Piriform (all programs from this company get prizes
and are free).

piriform defragger ?? Why did you not use the one witch comes with Vista

--
Peter

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"chanook*xyz*" <> wrote in message news:...
> chanook*xyz
> I have a vista home basic--32bit--with SP1 and all is working just fine. I
> did the defragger just to do a sort of a cleanup. Suppose I goofed by doing
> it??
> I had 23.7gb left on my hard drive. I downloaded the piriform defragger, it
> ran and did whatever it does and now I have 6gb less than before the
> defragger ran!! Where oh where did 6gb disappear too?? Since I am a total
> novice with computers, I wouldn't know the first thing about trying to
> recover those 6gb. Can someone give me an explanation, please?? I would
> greatly appreciate it. thank you.
>
>
> From: "Jacek Godorowski" <>
> Subject: Re: Any way to obtain details in disk defragmenter?
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 AM
>
> That's true.
>
> If you want graphic, safer and much faster use defraggler from
> http://www.defraggler.com/
>
> It's free and it's from Piriform (all programs from this company get prizes
> and are free).
>
>
>

"Peter Foldes" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> piriform defragger ?? Why did you not use the one witch comes with Vista

> --
> Peter

What difference does it make? He ALREADY used the one he posted about !

chanook*xyz*;848606 Wrote:
> chanook*xy
> I have a vista home basic--32bit--with SP1 and all is working jus
> fine.
> did the defragger just to do a sort of a cleanup. Suppose I goofed b
> doin
> it?
> I had 23.7gb left on my hard drive. I downloaded the pirifor
> defragger, i
> ran and did whatever it does and now I have 6gb less than before th
> defragger ran!! Where oh where did 6gb disappear too?? Since I am
> tota
> novice with computers, I wouldn't know the first thing about trying t
> recover those 6gb. Can someone give me an explanation, please??
> woul
> greatly appreciate it. thank you
>
>
> From: "Jacek Godorowski" <godorowski@xxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Any way to obtain details in disk defragmenter
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 A
>
> That's true
>
> If you want graphic, safer and much faster use defraggler fro
> 'Defraggler - Defragment your files!' (http://www.defraggler.com/
>
> It's free and it's from Piriform (all programs from this company ge
> prize
> and are free)

Hi

I noticed when using Defraggler to defrag files, it would use a bit o
extra space - 100mb or so, if I remember correctly

When I used it to defrag the drive, lost over 1gb

You might try using a defragger with a different algorithm and see i
it reclaims some of that space - the free Auslogics is a popular on

http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defra

Please keep us posted of any development

SIW

--
SIW2

I had used the windows defragger but after ready lots of different posts
about a better defragger, that's what I did.
But now, as I said BEFORE defragging the piriform one, I had 23.7 gb--I NOW
have 17.1gb. I thought a
defragment program was to SAVE space not eat it up. Is there any help to
recover it and why did it disappear??
I hope there is help somewhere from you all that have 1,000 times more
understanding than I could ever have.
Thank you and I appreciate any help that is given.
chanook*xyz

"Ringmaster's Psychiatrist" <> wrote in message
news:_tbEk.1905$...
>
> "Peter Foldes" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> piriform defragger ?? Why did you not use the one witch comes with Vista
>
>> --
>> Peter
>
> What difference does it make? He ALREADY used the one he posted about !
>
>
>

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:34:53 -0600, "chanook*xyz*" <>
wrote:

>chanook*xyz
>I have a vista home basic--32bit--with SP1 and all is working just fine. I
>did the defragger just to do a sort of a cleanup. Suppose I goofed by doing
>it??
>I had 23.7gb left on my hard drive. I downloaded the piriform defragger, it
>ran and did whatever it does and now I have 6gb less than before the
>defragger ran!! Where oh where did 6gb disappear too??

Probably to an increase in the size of the are needed by Volume Shadow
Copy service. If the defragger moved a lot of files around, that's
what happened.

You should run Disk Cleanup - Click Start Orb, type CleanMgr into the
Start Search box.

>Since I am a total
>novice with computers, I wouldn't know the first thing about trying to
>recover those 6gb. Can someone give me an explanation, please?? I would
>greatly appreciate it. thank you.
>
>
>From: "Jacek Godorowski" <>
>Subject: Re: Any way to obtain details in disk defragmenter?
>Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 AM
>
>That's true.
>
> If you want graphic, safer and much faster use defraggler from
>http://www.defraggler.com/
>
> It's free and it's from Piriform (all programs from this company get prizes
>and are free).
>
>

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:04:36 -0500, Paul Montgomery
<> wrote:

>Probably to an increase in the size of the are needed by Volume Shadow
>Copy service. If the defragger moved a lot of files around, that's
>what happened.
>
>You should run Disk Cleanup - Click Start Orb, type CleanMgr into the
>Start Search box.

That probably won't get your lost big chunk back, but it will help.

That "defraggler" is a Beta, so it might have its problems

There's a help forum on that software vendor's web site:
http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showforum=19



"chanook*xyz*" <> wrote in message
news:...
> chanook*xyz
> I have a vista home basic--32bit--with SP1 and all is working just fine.
> I did the defragger just to do a sort of a cleanup. Suppose I goofed by
> doing it??
> I had 23.7gb left on my hard drive. I downloaded the piriform defragger,
> it ran and did whatever it does and now I have 6gb less than before the
> defragger ran!! Where oh where did 6gb disappear too?? Since I am a
> total novice with computers, I wouldn't know the first thing about trying
> to recover those 6gb. Can someone give me an explanation, please?? I
> would greatly appreciate it. thank you.
>
>
> From: "Jacek Godorowski" <>
> Subject: Re: Any way to obtain details in disk defragmenter?
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 AM
>
> That's true.
>
> If you want graphic, safer and much faster use defraggler from
> http://www.defraggler.com/
>
> It's free and it's from Piriform (all programs from this company get
> prizes
> and are free).
>
>
>

For help with the piriform defragmenting program, please go to their web
pages and look for "support". It could be that they do something stupid like
creating a restore point before defragging the drive. They will be best able
to tell you.

Defragmenting a drive neither adds to, nor detracts from, the amount of free
space available on the drive. All it does is rearrange the "file cabinet"
into something more logical for the operating system to work with.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"chanook*xyz*" <> wrote in message
news:eX$...
>I had used the windows defragger but after ready lots of different posts
>about a better defragger, that's what I did.
> But now, as I said BEFORE defragging the piriform one, I had 23.7 gb--I
> NOW have 17.1gb. I thought a
> defragment program was to SAVE space not eat it up. Is there any help to
> recover it and why did it disappear??
> I hope there is help somewhere from you all that have 1,000 times more
> understanding than I could ever have.
> Thank you and I appreciate any help that is given.
> chanook*xyz
>
> "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist" <> wrote in message
> news:_tbEk.1905$...
>>
>> "Peter Foldes" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> piriform defragger ?? Why did you not use the one witch comes with
>>> Vista
>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>>
>> What difference does it make? He ALREADY used the one he posted about !
>>
>>
>>
>

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:57:18 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<> wrote:

>Defragmenting a drive neither adds to, nor detracts from, the amount of free
>space available on the drive. All it does is rearrange the "file cabinet"
>into something more logical for the operating system to work with.

Correct - IF the disk being defragged isn't a disk that is protected
by System Restore, OR if it is protected and the cluster size is 16k
or greater. Most default NTFS formatting results in a 4k cluster
size.

The System Restore function and the Shadow Copies that are saved by
Vista are operating at the sector level on the disk. Any changes in
the use of sectors is seen by System Restore and the Shadow Copy
Service to be file system updates that need to be stored. The more
files that are moved around during a defragging, the larger the
increase in the amount of space used by those services and the larger
the reduction in the free space on the drive.

Space can be regained after a defrag and System Restore by deleting
all but the most recent restore point in Disk Cleanup.

The situation can be rectified (at a cost of starting disk space) so
that it won't happen again by changing the cluster size to 16k or
larger.