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echostorm
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      02-22-2007
HELP! This is driving me crazy. I have a My Documents folder on a 2nd
harddrive (F:\) that may have been part of the upgrade path from Windows XP
Pro to Windows Vista Business (I rerouted the My Documents link in my
previous Windows XP Pro installation to point there). The problem I have now
is that all the permissions are set so that I cannot access files that were
not explicitly created from my computer - ie, any files from like 10 years
ago created somewhere long time ago seem to have no ability with UAC on to be
accessed. I have changed ownership on the entire My Documents folder and sub
folders and files, as well as enabled Full Control permissions to all the
files, but somehow Windows Vista doesn't recognize any of this and will not
allow me to access the older files still. The only fix for this is to turn
the entire UAC control off, but even so I can't modify the My Documents
Folder to any effect or renaming, moving, etc. It regardless always appears
as "read only" as well even though I persistantly uncheck it and save... any
suggestions!?
 
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koze
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      02-22-2007
Try a right click on the "Documents" from the start menu, you will see which
folder the documents are in now and by using location tab from the
properties you can change the location.

Ko.
"echostorm" <> schreef in bericht
news:16A88C9E-652F-44A9-9093-...
> HELP! This is driving me crazy. I have a My Documents folder on a 2nd
> harddrive (F:\) that may have been part of the upgrade path from Windows
> XP
> Pro to Windows Vista Business (I rerouted the My Documents link in my
> previous Windows XP Pro installation to point there). The problem I have
> now
> is that all the permissions are set so that I cannot access files that
> were
> not explicitly created from my computer - ie, any files from like 10 years
> ago created somewhere long time ago seem to have no ability with UAC on to
> be
> accessed. I have changed ownership on the entire My Documents folder and
> sub
> folders and files, as well as enabled Full Control permissions to all the
> files, but somehow Windows Vista doesn't recognize any of this and will
> not
> allow me to access the older files still. The only fix for this is to turn
> the entire UAC control off, but even so I can't modify the My Documents
> Folder to any effect or renaming, moving, etc. It regardless always
> appears
> as "read only" as well even though I persistantly uncheck it and save...
> any
> suggestions!?



 
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echostorm
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      02-22-2007
Unfortunately that is not my problem, Vista has already established a new
path to "Documents" with some stuff being put in there from subsequent
program installs. It's basically the My Documents folder(s) from previous
computers that I just copied onto a secondary hard drive. I would rename My
Documents to "Our Documents" or something had I have known Vista would treat
"My Documents" differently. Unlike the knowledge base suggestions, my
absolute path for the My Documents folder in trouble is F:\My Documents which
was self created... Vista apparently has locked this folder from access with
UAC, from modification without UAC.

"echostorm" wrote:

> HELP! This is driving me crazy. I have a My Documents folder on a 2nd
> harddrive (F:\) that may have been part of the upgrade path from Windows XP
> Pro to Windows Vista Business (I rerouted the My Documents link in my
> previous Windows XP Pro installation to point there). The problem I have now
> is that all the permissions are set so that I cannot access files that were
> not explicitly created from my computer - ie, any files from like 10 years
> ago created somewhere long time ago seem to have no ability with UAC on to be
> accessed. I have changed ownership on the entire My Documents folder and sub
> folders and files, as well as enabled Full Control permissions to all the
> files, but somehow Windows Vista doesn't recognize any of this and will not
> allow me to access the older files still. The only fix for this is to turn
> the entire UAC control off, but even so I can't modify the My Documents
> Folder to any effect or renaming, moving, etc. It regardless always appears
> as "read only" as well even though I persistantly uncheck it and save... any
> suggestions!?

 
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koze
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      02-22-2007
Then you have to take the ownership of that folder, including the ACL's and
that has to be done as the real administrator.
Not the build in admin. Add yourself to the owner of the folder include all
the security settings needed.
That can be done with the UAC normal on.

Ko.

"echostorm" <> schreef in bericht
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> Unfortunately that is not my problem, Vista has already established a new
> path to "Documents" with some stuff being put in there from subsequent
> program installs. It's basically the My Documents folder(s) from previous
> computers that I just copied onto a secondary hard drive. I would rename
> My
> Documents to "Our Documents" or something had I have known Vista would
> treat
> "My Documents" differently. Unlike the knowledge base suggestions, my
> absolute path for the My Documents folder in trouble is F:\My Documents
> which
> was self created... Vista apparently has locked this folder from access
> with
> UAC, from modification without UAC.
>
> "echostorm" wrote:
>
>> HELP! This is driving me crazy. I have a My Documents folder on a 2nd
>> harddrive (F:\) that may have been part of the upgrade path from Windows
>> XP
>> Pro to Windows Vista Business (I rerouted the My Documents link in my
>> previous Windows XP Pro installation to point there). The problem I have
>> now
>> is that all the permissions are set so that I cannot access files that
>> were
>> not explicitly created from my computer - ie, any files from like 10
>> years
>> ago created somewhere long time ago seem to have no ability with UAC on
>> to be
>> accessed. I have changed ownership on the entire My Documents folder and
>> sub
>> folders and files, as well as enabled Full Control permissions to all the
>> files, but somehow Windows Vista doesn't recognize any of this and will
>> not
>> allow me to access the older files still. The only fix for this is to
>> turn
>> the entire UAC control off, but even so I can't modify the My Documents
>> Folder to any effect or renaming, moving, etc. It regardless always
>> appears
>> as "read only" as well even though I persistantly uncheck it and save...
>> any
>> suggestions!?



 
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echostorm
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      02-22-2007
I only have 1 account as listed in users - and it is theoretically an admin -
i tried to transfer ownership using this account - it transfers, but still no
access... what is the "real administrator" and how do I access that account?
This is a home computer and I am the only user.

"koze" wrote:

> Then you have to take the ownership of that folder, including the ACL's and
> that has to be done as the real administrator.
> Not the build in admin. Add yourself to the owner of the folder include all
> the security settings needed.
> That can be done with the UAC normal on.
>
> Ko.
>
> "echostorm" <> schreef in bericht
> news:0C29BCFC-BE7A-49D8-8E80-...
> > Unfortunately that is not my problem, Vista has already established a new
> > path to "Documents" with some stuff being put in there from subsequent
> > program installs. It's basically the My Documents folder(s) from previous
> > computers that I just copied onto a secondary hard drive. I would rename
> > My
> > Documents to "Our Documents" or something had I have known Vista would
> > treat
> > "My Documents" differently. Unlike the knowledge base suggestions, my
> > absolute path for the My Documents folder in trouble is F:\My Documents
> > which
> > was self created... Vista apparently has locked this folder from access
> > with
> > UAC, from modification without UAC.
> >
> > "echostorm" wrote:
> >
> >> HELP! This is driving me crazy. I have a My Documents folder on a 2nd
> >> harddrive (F:\) that may have been part of the upgrade path from Windows
> >> XP
> >> Pro to Windows Vista Business (I rerouted the My Documents link in my
> >> previous Windows XP Pro installation to point there). The problem I have
> >> now
> >> is that all the permissions are set so that I cannot access files that
> >> were
> >> not explicitly created from my computer - ie, any files from like 10
> >> years
> >> ago created somewhere long time ago seem to have no ability with UAC on
> >> to be
> >> accessed. I have changed ownership on the entire My Documents folder and
> >> sub
> >> folders and files, as well as enabled Full Control permissions to all the
> >> files, but somehow Windows Vista doesn't recognize any of this and will
> >> not
> >> allow me to access the older files still. The only fix for this is to
> >> turn
> >> the entire UAC control off, but even so I can't modify the My Documents
> >> Folder to any effect or renaming, moving, etc. It regardless always
> >> appears
> >> as "read only" as well even though I persistantly uncheck it and save...
> >> any
> >> suggestions!?

>
>
>

 
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koze
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      02-22-2007
If you right click on the folder do you see the tab "Security" ? select
that tab and in there you can take control of all the security settings. You
may need elevated rights to do so, if UAC is on you will be prompted to do
so.
Then you have the real administrator settings active and can change the
security settings to your own account with full control.


"echostorm" <> schreef in bericht
news:F98C6590-FD35-454C-9D43-...
>I only have 1 account as listed in users - and it is theoretically an
>admin -
> i tried to transfer ownership using this account - it transfers, but still
> no
> access... what is the "real administrator" and how do I access that
> account?
> This is a home computer and I am the only user.
>
> "koze" wrote:
>
>> Then you have to take the ownership of that folder, including the ACL's
>> and
>> that has to be done as the real administrator.
>> Not the build in admin. Add yourself to the owner of the folder include
>> all
>> the security settings needed.
>> That can be done with the UAC normal on.
>>
>> Ko.
>>
>> "echostorm" <> schreef in bericht
>> news:0C29BCFC-BE7A-49D8-8E80-...
>> > Unfortunately that is not my problem, Vista has already established a
>> > new
>> > path to "Documents" with some stuff being put in there from subsequent
>> > program installs. It's basically the My Documents folder(s) from
>> > previous
>> > computers that I just copied onto a secondary hard drive. I would
>> > rename
>> > My
>> > Documents to "Our Documents" or something had I have known Vista would
>> > treat
>> > "My Documents" differently. Unlike the knowledge base suggestions, my
>> > absolute path for the My Documents folder in trouble is F:\My Documents
>> > which
>> > was self created... Vista apparently has locked this folder from access
>> > with
>> > UAC, from modification without UAC.
>> >
>> > "echostorm" wrote:
>> >
>> >> HELP! This is driving me crazy. I have a My Documents folder on a
>> >> 2nd
>> >> harddrive (F:\) that may have been part of the upgrade path from
>> >> Windows
>> >> XP
>> >> Pro to Windows Vista Business (I rerouted the My Documents link in my
>> >> previous Windows XP Pro installation to point there). The problem I
>> >> have
>> >> now
>> >> is that all the permissions are set so that I cannot access files that
>> >> were
>> >> not explicitly created from my computer - ie, any files from like 10
>> >> years
>> >> ago created somewhere long time ago seem to have no ability with UAC
>> >> on
>> >> to be
>> >> accessed. I have changed ownership on the entire My Documents folder
>> >> and
>> >> sub
>> >> folders and files, as well as enabled Full Control permissions to all
>> >> the
>> >> files, but somehow Windows Vista doesn't recognize any of this and
>> >> will
>> >> not
>> >> allow me to access the older files still. The only fix for this is to
>> >> turn
>> >> the entire UAC control off, but even so I can't modify the My
>> >> Documents
>> >> Folder to any effect or renaming, moving, etc. It regardless always
>> >> appears
>> >> as "read only" as well even though I persistantly uncheck it and
>> >> save...
>> >> any
>> >> suggestions!?

>>
>>
>>



 
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Adam Albright
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      02-22-2007
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:10:24 -0800, echostorm
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>I only have 1 account as listed in users - and it is theoretically an admin -
>i tried to transfer ownership using this account - it transfers, but still no
>access... what is the "real administrator" and how do I access that account?
>This is a home computer and I am the only user.


According to Microsoft this is a "feature" not a bug. Time permitting
over the next week or so I'll write a more detailed how-to about UAC
and post it in the microsoft general group. If I don't get a chance
this pretty much gives the basic steps for simpler setup like single
user PC's.

Till then...

Go to the UAC (User Account Control) from Control Panel, User Groups.
Click on where it says Turn User Account Control on or off, and
uncheck the on option if it is already (default) checked.

If you want to play with it while it is still on, the glaring thing I
first seen is a DESIGN issue. Maybe I'm justing messing up, easy to
do, as you'll see in a minute if you keep reading.

If your click on the folder or application you wish to change
permissions on by right clicking on its properties then the security
tab you see a fairly complex window open up that displays in a top and
bottom section. What's confusing to me at least at first is the EDIT
button. This only effects the top section or groups or user names, not
actually change the permissions which is probably what you're trying
to do most of the time. To do that click on the Advanced tab.

Try this experiment yourself and see if you get similar results before
you mess up any of your actual folders or applications. Just create a
new folder, dump a few images or text files in it then rename the
folder to experiment or whatever you want to call it.

For example I created a new folder on my C drive I called experiment.
If I right click on that new folder's properties, then its Security
tab, without any interaction from me Vista added four user classes.

1. Authneticated Users
2. System
3. Administrators
4. Users

If you click on the edit button hoping to change permissions like it
says, a new window opens but it probably won't let you change the
permissions, it just shows them. If you try to make changes from here
they likely will be just grayed out check marks.

Instead click on Advanced. Yet another window opens. You see the four
users from the previous Window listed, their general permission class,
who they inherited the permissions from and what it applies to.

Changes you make in this context is limited to the "user" you are
trying to effect that likely before you start has limted permissions.

In my experiment Vista says Authenticated users have a modifed
permission, while system and Administrators have full control and
Users have only read and execute control.

*Note... these kinds of permissions may be perfectly fine depending on
what the drive, folder or application needs to do. What Vista
thinks it needs in the way of permissions can vary from what
YOU think or need or what the enderlying application needs.
Hence why you're probably getting errors.

Now what has got to confuse a lot of people that never done this
before is if you have administrative rights unlike before in XP where
you could pretty much change anything, in Vista you first need to
"take over" the user that doesn't have rights you wish to give it. So
in effect you (as administrator) become the user who's rights you are
going to change. You still need to be a administrator to do the
following. If if you are logged in as a user that doesn't have
administrative rights, you first need to log in with a user that does
have administrative rights just like before in XP in order to effect
system changes.

Here's how I did that:

1. I clicked on 'Users' that presently just has read & execute
permissions.

2. While 'Users' is hightlighted click Edit. A fourth window opens.

3. Again click on the line that shows users, then the Edit button.

4. A fifth window opens, actually the same one that before only showed
grayed out permissions, only now you can change things.

5. Under the allow column check the permissions you wish to give to
'users'. I elected to give Full control.

** Users in this context can also be confusing. What you actual see
may be the word users if Vista added the "user" or actual names you
may have set up as users of your PC.

6. Once you've changed the permissions, click ok to close this Window.
Important, we now need to backout of this mess of windows and
remember to click ok or apply as we go.

7. Click the apply button from the previous window, then ok.

8. Click ok again on the next window you now see.

9. Click ok to close the properties tab.

10.(optional) curse Microsoft for making this so damn lame and this
was a easy one, it can get harder.

Now right click on the folder you created that you renamed experiment
or whatever you decided to call it, select properties, then the
security tab again. If you did everything right now 'users' or
whatever user name you have that had limited permissions now should
show it has full control or total permission to do whatever it needs
to and should run as it did under XP.

Now you see why for most people probably a lot simple to just turn off
UAC. There is a good side to all this if you take the time you can
assign very specific rights which in theory at least should make your
PC more secure for outside attack or does it?

Well not really. Microsoft has admitted to avoid making this too
complex as if what you just went through was easy, that admit they
allow any application that claims to be a setup.exe have full rights.
This more or less defeats the whole purpose.

Read more on that juicy topic here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=29&tag=nl.e589

http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.c...-big-joke.html



 
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