Hotmail Junk/Spam filter - Doesn't work - how to disable?

Many people have found Hotmail continually puts legit email in the Spam
folder. Is there any way of disabling this non-helping feature? You can
set it to low - but of course that is useless.

Or maybe there is a way of forwarding your Spam folder to your Spam folder
in your POP3 email program? That would work ok. Once you use an email
program you don't want to have to log in to Hotmail to check your
messages. That's the whole point of using an email program. To get away
from slow, ponderous, awkward webmail. To make matters even worse
Microsoft deletes the spam after 10 days. Even if you only get a few a
week. How utterly stupid is that? If you get hundreds a week you
obviously have a spam problem. But say 5? Makes no sense.

> In the web UI..
> Add the sender to your contacts.

Many people have reported that even that doesn't work. Safe senders still
end up in Junk.
Anyway I need a solution to turn it off completely. I have no idea who is
going to email me so I can't add them to contacts. I'm using it for
advertising.

> Do not safe list a contact
>
> After the above, if the web UI Junk filter is still to low and mail goes
> to the Junk folder, the content(and/or Links) in the message are the
> cause.

Maybe, just maybe, its the idiots that designed the program! If something
doesn't work the first remedy is to turn it off. Then work on its
repair. Not Microsoft. Imagine if they designed planes! "Good morning
everybody. We have engines that haven't been assembled properly but we're
going to take off irregardless. Time is money!"

Does anybody know if there is a way of having your POP email program pull
in the Junk folder of Hotmail? That wouldn't be so bad because you could
then see it instantly.

> "BigBang" wrote in message
> newsp.visbroxjqq4679@----------.wp.shawcable.net... Many people have
> found Hotmail continually puts legit email in the Spam folder. Is
> there any way of disabling this non-helping feature? You can set it to
> low - but of course that is useless.
>
> Or maybe there is a way of forwarding your Spam folder to your Spam
> folder in your POP3 email program? That would work ok. Once you use
> an email program you don't want to have to log in to Hotmail to check
> your messages. That's the whole point of using an email program. To
> get away from slow, ponderous, awkward webmail. To make matters even
> worse Microsoft deletes the spam after 10 days. Even if you only get a
> few a week. How utterly stupid is that? If you get hundreds a week
> you obviously have a spam problem. But say 5? Makes no sense.

At this stage..wysiwyg.
If safe senders end up in Junk, as noted, content is the most likely cause.
Only the sender with help from the recipient can address that issue.

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ms-mvp mail

"BigBang" wrote in message newsp.viubtuieqq4679@----------.wp.shawcable.net...

> In the web UI..
> Add the sender to your contacts.

Many people have reported that even that doesn't work. Safe senders still
end up in Junk.
Anyway I need a solution to turn it off completely. I have no idea who is
going to email me so I can't add them to contacts. I'm using it for
advertising.

> Do not safe list a contact
>
> After the above, if the web UI Junk filter is still to low and mail goes
> to the Junk folder, the content(and/or Links) in the message are the
> cause.

Maybe, just maybe, its the idiots that designed the program! If something
doesn't work the first remedy is to turn it off. Then work on its
repair. Not Microsoft. Imagine if they designed planes! "Good morning
everybody. We have engines that haven't been assembled properly but we're
going to take off irregardless. Time is money!"

Does anybody know if there is a way of having your POP email program pull
in the Junk folder of Hotmail? That wouldn't be so bad because you could
then see it instantly.

> "BigBang" wrote in message
> newsp.visbroxjqq4679@----------.wp.shawcable.net... Many people have
> found Hotmail continually puts legit email in the Spam folder. Is
> there any way of disabling this non-helping feature? You can set it to
> low - but of course that is useless.
>
> Or maybe there is a way of forwarding your Spam folder to your Spam
> folder in your POP3 email program? That would work ok. Once you use
> an email program you don't want to have to log in to Hotmail to check
> your messages. That's the whole point of using an email program. To
> get away from slow, ponderous, awkward webmail. To make matters even
> worse Microsoft deletes the spam after 10 days. Even if you only get a
> few a week. How utterly stupid is that? If you get hundreds a week
> you obviously have a spam problem. But say 5? Makes no sense.

Send feedback.
If doing so, you might wish to change your approach if expecting anyone to listen.
Until then, you'll have to live with your problem or find an alternative client.

--
....winston
ms-mvp mail

"BigBang" wrote in message newsp.vixgf8jfqq4679@----------.wp.shawcable.net...

No Winston you pathetic Microsoft lap dog. The problem is the DESIGNER.
Why do you insist on protecting someone painfully obviously at fault?

> At this stage..wysiwyg.
> If safe senders end up in Junk, as noted, content is the most likely
> cause.
> Only the sender with help from the recipient can address that issue.
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "BigBang" wrote in message
> newsp.viubtuieqq4679@----------.wp.shawcable.net...
>> In the web UI..
>> Add the sender to your contacts.
>
> Many people have reported that even that doesn't work. Safe senders
> still end up in Junk.
> Anyway I need a solution to turn it off completely. I have no idea who
> is going to email me so I can't add them to contacts. I'm using it
> for advertising.
>
>> Do not safe list a contact
>>
>> After the above, if the web UI Junk filter is still to low and mail
>> goes to the Junk folder, the content(and/or Links) in the message are
>> the cause.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, its the idiots that designed the program! If
> something doesn't work the first remedy is to turn it off. Then work
> on its repair. Not Microsoft. Imagine if they designed planes! "Good
> morning everybody. We have engines that haven't been assembled properly
> but we're going to take off irregardless. Time is money!"
>
> Does anybody know if there is a way of having your POP email program
> pull in the Junk folder of Hotmail? That wouldn't be so bad because
> you could then see it instantly.
>
>> "BigBang" wrote in message
>> newsp.visbroxjqq4679@----------.wp.shawcable.net... Many people have
>> found Hotmail continually puts legit email in the Spam folder. Is
>> there any way of disabling this non-helping feature? You can set it
>> to low - but of course that is useless.
>>
>> Or maybe there is a way of forwarding your Spam folder to your Spam
>> folder in your POP3 email program? That would work ok. Once you use
>> an email program you don't want to have to log in to Hotmail to check
>> your messages. That's the whole point of using an email program. To
>> get away from slow, ponderous, awkward webmail. To make matters even
>> worse Microsoft deletes the spam after 10 days. Even if you only get
>> a few a week. How utterly stupid is that? If you get hundreds a
>> week you obviously have a spam problem. But say 5? Makes no sense.

the crux of the matter is that there is no "off" setting. this is a bad design decision. even a good junk mail filter (which this is NOT), sometimes will not suit every user's needs. and forcibly disappearing potentially useful mail into limbo (not everybody uses or wants to use webmail, and the junk mail folder is only accessible from webmail), renders hotmail a less than useful public carrier for email. (deleting it after 10 days is a kluge, to fix a "problem" which should never have happened in the first place: mailboxes get clogged with "spam" that the users cannot see or clear out.)

personally, i would rather use just about ANY other email service, particularly because of nonsense like this, but unfortunately, some less than sophisticated users have been put onto hotmail by bell/sympatico, a major isp in this country, through no fault of their own.

there is no useful answer to the question here, except to switch to a mailbox on some other, better designed system than hotmail.

> On Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:39 PM BigBang wrote:

> Many people have found Hotmail continually puts legit email in the Spam
> folder. Is there any way of disabling this non-helping feature? You can
> set it to low - but of course that is useless.
>
> Or maybe there is a way of forwarding your Spam folder to your Spam folder
> in your POP3 email program? That would work ok. Once you use an email
> program you do not want to have to log in to Hotmail to check your
> messages. That's the whole point of using an email program. To get away
> from slow, ponderous, awkward webmail. To make matters even worse
> Microsoft deletes the spam after 10 days. Even if you only get a few a
> week. How utterly stupid is that? If you get hundreds a week you
> obviously have a spam problem. But say 5? Makes no sense.


>> On Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:21 PM ...winston wrote:

>> In the web UI..
>> Add the sender to your contacts.
>> Do not safe list a contact
>>
>> After the above, if the web UI Junk filter is still to low and mail goes to the Junk folder, the content(and/or Links) in the message are the cause.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>>
>> Many people have found Hotmail continually puts legit email in the Spam
>> folder. Is there any way of disabling this non-helping feature? You can
>> set it to low - but of course that is useless.
>>
>> Or maybe there is a way of forwarding your Spam folder to your Spam folder
>> in your POP3 email program? That would work ok. Once you use an email
>> program you do not want to have to log in to Hotmail to check your
>> messages. That's the whole point of using an email program. To get away
>> from slow, ponderous, awkward webmail. To make matters even worse
>> Microsoft deletes the spam after 10 days. Even if you only get a few a
>> week. How utterly stupid is that? If you get hundreds a week you
>> obviously have a spam problem. But say 5? Makes no sense.


>>> On Friday, September 10, 2010 7:35 PM BigBang wrote:

>>> Many people have reported that even that does not work. Safe senders still
>>> end up in Junk.
>>> Anyway I need a solution to turn it off completely. I have no idea who is
>>> going to email me so I cannot add them to contacts. I am using it for
>>> advertising.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe, just maybe, its the idiots that designed the program! If something
>>> does not work the first remedy is to turn it off. Then work on its
>>> repair. Not Microsoft. Imagine if they designed planes! "Good morning
>>> everybody. We have engines that have not been assembled properly but we are
>>> going to take off irregardless. Time is money!"
>>>
>>> Does anybody know if there is a way of having your POP email program pull
>>> in the Junk folder of Hotmail? That would not be so bad because you could
>>> then see it instantly.


>>>> On Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:25 AM ...winston wrote:

>>>> At this stage..wysiwyg.
>>>> If safe senders end up in Junk, as noted, content is the most likely cause.
>>>> Only the sender with help from the recipient can address that issue.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ...winston
>>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many people have reported that even that does not work. Safe senders still
>>>> end up in Junk.
>>>> Anyway I need a solution to turn it off completely. I have no idea who is
>>>> going to email me so I cannot add them to contacts. I am using it for
>>>> advertising.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, just maybe, its the idiots that designed the program! If something
>>>> does not work the first remedy is to turn it off. Then work on its
>>>> repair. Not Microsoft. Imagine if they designed planes! "Good morning
>>>> everybody. We have engines that have not been assembled properly but we are
>>>> going to take off irregardless. Time is money!"
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know if there is a way of having your POP email program pull
>>>> in the Junk folder of Hotmail? That would not be so bad because you could
>>>> then see it instantly.


>>>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:08 PM BigBang wrote:

>>>>> No Winston you pathetic Microsoft lap dog. The problem is the DESIGNER.
>>>>> Why do you insist on protecting someone painfully obviously at fault?


>>>>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:14 PM Don Dewiel wrote:

>>>>>> Flaming someone will likely render undesirable responses.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Don?


>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:06 PM ...winston wrote:

>>>>>>> Send feedback.
>>>>>>> If doing so, you might wish to change your approach if expecting anyone to listen.
>>>>>>> Until then, you will have to live with your problem or find an alternative client.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ...winston
>>>>>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No Winston you pathetic Microsoft lap dog. The problem is the DESIGNER.
>>>>>>> Why do you insist on protecting someone painfully obviously at fault?


>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:12 PM Magnus wrote:

>>>>>>>> ... and the opposite of a pathetic lap dog is?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I always wondered why my Camry does not perform like a Porsche.... Hmmmm...
>>>>>>>> Must be those idiots that designed that vehicle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, or any Hotmail folder for that matter. Google is your friend.


>>>>>>>> Submitted via EggHeadCafe
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>>>>>>>> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...al-access.aspx

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:46:01 GMT, egg klein wrote:

> there is no useful answer to the question here, except to switch to a mailbox on some other, better designed system than hotmail.

Interesting. A cracked Egghead who thinks this group is about Hotmail. It is
not; it is about Windows Live Mail. Which is a desktop email client, not a
web mail service.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Though Hotmail features and methodology has a significant bearing on what
WLM is and mostly likely the direction WLM will evolve



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"N. Miller" wrote in message news:2k3lw9uf3lvi$....

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:46:01 GMT, egg klein wrote:

> there is no useful answer to the question here, except to switch to a
> mailbox on some other, better designed system than hotmail.

Interesting. A cracked Egghead who thinks this group is about Hotmail. It
is
not; it is about Windows Live Mail. Which is a desktop email client, not a
web mail service.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:44:41 -0500, ...winston wrote:

> Though Hotmail features and methodology has a significant bearing on what
> WLM is and mostly likely the direction WLM will evolve

Which will make it ever less useful as an email client; more of a
proprietary access client to a proprietary web mail service.

I don't use WLM with any POP3 email service, and, rarely, with any IMAP
email service. Mostly just for my Hotmail accounts. For IMAP, I use
Thunderbird, but, mostly, just use Pegasus Mail in conjunction with my local
(LAN-based) mail server: Mercury/32. Pegasus Mail + Mercury/32 is a similar
combination to MS Outlook + MS Exchange; only free for personal use.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

It's pretty hard to ignore a billion combined Hotmail and Messenger users
at the expense of a rapidly declining XP/OE-Vista/WM population yearning
for yesterday's email and news client functionality when the neighborhood
of communication methods has changed so dramatically in the last 5 yrs
(coincidental with ceasing development on both OE and WM)

Be that as it may...while Windows Live Mail is a desktop client capable of
pop3, IMAP, and Http...it is first and foremost a client for use with Live
services.

Is it (WLM) everyone's cup of tea, nope. Other choices are available and
always have been. Pegasus is a decent alternative...the latest interim
version has some fixes/patches in the html, graphic, and rendering areas as
it continually evolves to a more 3D looking GUI. Lol..possibly a ribbon in
the future <g>



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msft mvp mail

"N. Miller" wrote in message news:1brfer49gkvwb$....

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:44:41 -0500, ...winston wrote:

> Though Hotmail features and methodology has a significant bearing on what
> WLM is and mostly likely the direction WLM will evolve

Which will make it ever less useful as an email client; more of a
proprietary access client to a proprietary web mail service.

I don't use WLM with any POP3 email service, and, rarely, with any IMAP
email service. Mostly just for my Hotmail accounts. For IMAP, I use
Thunderbird, but, mostly, just use Pegasus Mail in conjunction with my
local
(LAN-based) mail server: Mercury/32. Pegasus Mail + Mercury/32 is a similar
combination to MS Outlook + MS Exchange; only free for personal use.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:36:39 -0500, ...winston wrote:

> It's pretty hard to ignore a billion combined Hotmail and Messenger users ...

This "cloud" thing is becoming more ubiquitous. Ex-gf stores her photos
online. Adobe has stopped working on, and supporting, Photoshop Starter
Edition in favor of Photoshop Elements. But I prefer local control, and
access, to my data. No ISP guaranties even two-nine uptime; and I've
sometimes had two, or more, days of no access to "the cloud"; and where
would I be if everything is out there, but I can't get to it? In the end, I
may just have to abandon Windows altogether, and run with an OS that has
more traditional ways of doing things. I hear Linux is pretty good. And runs
on machines which dog Windows XP.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum