ide to ahci

On 12/30/2011 7:09 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
> In message
> <10e6e026-fb87-427a-953f->
> someone claiming to be Carlos<> typed:
>
>> Drew,
>> If your chipset is that old, it will make no difference in performance
>> between IDE and AHCI modes.
>
> There might not be a performance difference during day to day access
> now, but TRIM requires AHCI mode, and since he's using a SSD, TRIM is
> probably important.
>
> It obviously depends on the particular drive as to how important TRIM
> is, with some SSDs relying on TRIM exclusively, some using garbage
> collection exclusively and most of the rest using some combination of
> both.
>
> Still, given the relative lack of pain, there's no reason to not enable
> AHCI.
Dave This particular board D975XBX2KR has the latest chipset drivers
available as well as other latest drivers. The ssd is a Intel X25-V and
the trim function does work well the only problem I have noticed is when
it is set to ide you cannot update the firmware as easy as if it were ahci.

Drew,
Can you do it in DOS mode?
Carlos

On 31 dic, 16:21, Drew <Aylen1...@invalid.nospam.net> wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 7:09 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
>
>
>
> > In message
> > <10e6e026-fb87-427a-953f-6222f34fb...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
> > someone claiming to be Carlos<atashia...@gmail.com> *typed:
>
> >> Drew,
> >> If your chipset is that old, it will make no difference in performance
> >> between IDE and AHCI modes.
>
> > There might not be a performance difference during day to day access
> > now, but TRIM requires AHCI mode, and since he's using a SSD, TRIM is
> > probably important.
>
> > It obviously depends on the particular drive as to how important TRIM
> > is, with some SSDs relying on TRIM exclusively, some using garbage
> > collection exclusively and most of the rest using some combination of
> > both.
>
> > Still, given the relative lack of pain, there's no reason to not enable
> > AHCI.
>
> * Dave This particular board D975XBX2KR has the latest chipset drivers
> available as well as other latest drivers. The ssd is a Intel X25-V and
> the trim function does work well the only problem I have noticed is when
> it is set to ide you cannot update the firmware as easy as if it were ahci.- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -

In message <jdn4p6$1u3$> someone claiming to be Drew
<> typed:

>On 12/30/2011 7:09 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
>> In message
>> <10e6e026-fb87-427a-953f->
>> someone claiming to be Carlos<> typed:
>>
>>> Drew,
>>> If your chipset is that old, it will make no difference in performance
>>> between IDE and AHCI modes.
>>
>> There might not be a performance difference during day to day access
>> now, but TRIM requires AHCI mode, and since he's using a SSD, TRIM is
>> probably important.
>>
>> It obviously depends on the particular drive as to how important TRIM
>> is, with some SSDs relying on TRIM exclusively, some using garbage
>> collection exclusively and most of the rest using some combination of
>> both.
>>
>> Still, given the relative lack of pain, there's no reason to not enable
>> AHCI.
>
>Actually the trim function works perfectly however I cannot update the
>firmware easily for it in ide mode.

TRIM requires AHCI, at least as far as I can tell. Can you provide a
cite as to how you'd enable TRIM without AHCI under Windows?

You might be seeing drive firmware based garbage collection in IDE mode,
and that's fair, but that's not TRIM.

From

http://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/...u-need-to-know

SSDs and the TRIM command
The TRIM command is dependent on the SSD itself, and the operating system
supporting it. It is not dependent on the host controller, and AHCI is not a
requirement. TRIM is natively supported in Windows 7, as well as Linux since
kernel 2.6.33.

Check these out also:

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...RIM-in-W7-AHCI


This link contains the info below it:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...&limitstart=12

But what about SSD TRIM?
TRIM is non-specific to either SATA controller mode, and will work equally
well in both IDE and AHCI-mode. Benchmark Reviews will soon publish a
detailed report that illustrates the recovery levels for each SSD controller
tested here.

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?p=540481

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"Dave Warren" <dave-> wrote in message
news:...
> In message <jdn4p6$1u3$> someone claiming to be Drew
> <> typed:
>
>>On 12/30/2011 7:09 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
>>> In message
>>> <10e6e026-fb87-427a-953f->
>>> someone claiming to be Carlos<> typed:
>>>
>>>> Drew,
>>>> If your chipset is that old, it will make no difference in performance
>>>> between IDE and AHCI modes.
>>>
>>> There might not be a performance difference during day to day access
>>> now, but TRIM requires AHCI mode, and since he's using a SSD, TRIM is
>>> probably important.
>>>
>>> It obviously depends on the particular drive as to how important TRIM
>>> is, with some SSDs relying on TRIM exclusively, some using garbage
>>> collection exclusively and most of the rest using some combination of
>>> both.
>>>
>>> Still, given the relative lack of pain, there's no reason to not enable
>>> AHCI.
>>
>>Actually the trim function works perfectly however I cannot update the
>>firmware easily for it in ide mode.
>
> TRIM requires AHCI, at least as far as I can tell. Can you provide a
> cite as to how you'd enable TRIM without AHCI under Windows?
>
> You might be seeing drive firmware based garbage collection in IDE mode,
> and that's fair, but that's not TRIM.

On 12/31/2011 5:58 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
> In message<jdn4p6$1u3$> someone claiming to be Drew
> <> typed:
>
>> On 12/30/2011 7:09 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
>>> In message
>>> <10e6e026-fb87-427a-953f->
>>> someone claiming to be Carlos<> typed:
>>>
>>>> Drew,
>>>> If your chipset is that old, it will make no difference in performance
>>>> between IDE and AHCI modes.
>>>
>>> There might not be a performance difference during day to day access
>>> now, but TRIM requires AHCI mode, and since he's using a SSD, TRIM is
>>> probably important.
>>>
>>> It obviously depends on the particular drive as to how important TRIM
>>> is, with some SSDs relying on TRIM exclusively, some using garbage
>>> collection exclusively and most of the rest using some combination of
>>> both.
>>>
>>> Still, given the relative lack of pain, there's no reason to not enable
>>> AHCI.
>>
>> Actually the trim function works perfectly however I cannot update the
>> firmware easily for it in ide mode.
>
> TRIM requires AHCI, at least as far as I can tell. Can you provide a
> cite as to how you'd enable TRIM without AHCI under Windows?
>
> You might be seeing drive firmware based garbage collection in IDE mode,
> and that's fair, but that's not TRIM.

Using the built in Intel toolbox software downloaded from Intel and the
fact that it is a intel drive. As well as seeing the difference after
running the trim function tells me that it does indeed work. For the
longest time I assumed it was set to ahci then I went to upgrade the
firmware and that is when the Intel toolbox informed me that it was
indeed set to ide.

In message <jdpoaq$3jc$> someone claiming to be Drew
<> typed:

>On 12/31/2011 5:58 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
>> In message<jdn4p6$1u3$> someone claiming to be Drew
>> <> typed:
>>
>>> On 12/30/2011 7:09 PM, Dave Warren wrote:
>>>> In message
>>>> <10e6e026-fb87-427a-953f->
>>>> someone claiming to be Carlos<> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Drew,
>>>>> If your chipset is that old, it will make no difference in performance
>>>>> between IDE and AHCI modes.
>>>>
>>>> There might not be a performance difference during day to day access
>>>> now, but TRIM requires AHCI mode, and since he's using a SSD, TRIM is
>>>> probably important.
>>>>
>>>> It obviously depends on the particular drive as to how important TRIM
>>>> is, with some SSDs relying on TRIM exclusively, some using garbage
>>>> collection exclusively and most of the rest using some combination of
>>>> both.
>>>>
>>>> Still, given the relative lack of pain, there's no reason to not enable
>>>> AHCI.
>>>
>>> Actually the trim function works perfectly however I cannot update the
>>> firmware easily for it in ide mode.
>>
>> TRIM requires AHCI, at least as far as I can tell. Can you provide a
>> cite as to how you'd enable TRIM without AHCI under Windows?
>>
>> You might be seeing drive firmware based garbage collection in IDE mode,
>> and that's fair, but that's not TRIM.
>
>Using the built in Intel toolbox software downloaded from Intel and the
>fact that it is a intel drive. As well as seeing the difference after
>running the trim function tells me that it does indeed work. For the
>longest time I assumed it was set to ahci then I went to upgrade the
>firmware and that is when the Intel toolbox informed me that it was
>indeed set to ide.

I've been doing a bit of reading and it definitely looks like IDLE is
available in IDE mode.

However, from what I can tell, Windows doesn't issue it unless you're in
AHCI mode. But that might be wrong, I can't find anyone who can really
say for certain either way. In practice, garbage collection on modern
drives does a reasonably good job (and in fact, a better job than a
poorly written IDLE implementation, although most drives support lazy
handling of IDLE commands which negates the potential performance
impact)

Paul. I would not say I am stupid when it comes to computers but since I
have never actually run a script like this before what do I need to do
exactly? Will it enable in the bios or will I have to enter the bios and
make changes? Do I download and save or just simply run it and when it
is done and ahci is enabled do I need to do anything at that point? I do
not totally understand it. Wait,now I do feel stupid..




On 12/30/2011 3:56 PM, PaulM wrote:
> I have a script for that, you can download it here:
>
> http://www.paulsxp.com/forum/viewtop...e607205a0d9aa7
>
>
>
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>> "Drew" wrote in message news:jdj0ia$aa8$...
>
>> Well whaddya know a question for the gang!! I am currently running
>> win7 pro 64 on a small (40gig) ssd that was somehow set to ide on
>> install. I am going to upgrade this ssd to a 120gig ssd and then hang
>> on to the current 40gig for storage. Is there a way to purchase a new
>> ssd,connect it and set it to ahci then transfer windows to it? Or will
>> this hose windows?
>
>> First off win7 is taking all of the 40gig drive hence the reason for
>> the upgrade. Actual use is 37.19 total capacity and only 4.48 gigs
>> clear. Still not sure why it takes so much room when only the op
>> system is installed on this drive.
>
>> Currently my ssd scores a 7.2 on the W.E.I. as a ide drive. I know
>> some have said they are much better set to ahci.
>
>> As always any help is appreciated.
>
>> Drew.
>

Download the script, run it, restart and enter Bios and enable AHCI mode.
Reboot and you may be asked to reboot again.
The script will explain everything when to run it.



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>"Drew" wrote in message news:jea95k$n2a$...

>Paul. I would not say I am stupid when it comes to computers but since I
>have never actually run a script like this before what do I need to do
>exactly? Will it enable in the bios or will I have to enter the bios and
>make changes? Do I download and save or just simply run it and when it is
>done and ahci is enabled do I need to do anything at that point? I do not
>totally understand it. Wait,now I do feel stupid..




On 12/30/2011 3:56 PM, PaulM wrote:
> I have a script for that, you can download it here:
>
> http://www.paulsxp.com/forum/viewtop...e607205a0d9aa7
>
>
>
>
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>> "Drew" wrote in message news:jdj0ia$aa8$...
>
>> Well whaddya know a question for the gang!! I am currently running
>> win7 pro 64 on a small (40gig) ssd that was somehow set to ide on
>> install. I am going to upgrade this ssd to a 120gig ssd and then hang
>> on to the current 40gig for storage. Is there a way to purchase a new
>> ssd,connect it and set it to ahci then transfer windows to it? Or will
>> this hose windows?
>
>> First off win7 is taking all of the 40gig drive hence the reason for
>> the upgrade. Actual use is 37.19 total capacity and only 4.48 gigs
>> clear. Still not sure why it takes so much room when only the op
>> system is installed on this drive.
>
>> Currently my ssd scores a 7.2 on the W.E.I. as a ide drive. I know
>> some have said they are much better set to ahci.
>
>> As always any help is appreciated.
>
>> Drew.
>

Thanks Paul. As to my original post I really do not want to buy another
hard drive but I just do not have any room on this one. I run 2 160 gig
drives for other programs and games and the main purpose for this
computer is games as I have another for serious work. I am a little
shocked as to why windows is taking 37 gigs when the only thing on this
40 gig ssd is win7 sp1.The other reason for worry is this machine is a
home built 5 year old that scores 7.1 out of the gate.I hate to take a
chance on messing up that kind of dependability as it has never crashed
never bogged down never anything but rock solid and very fast.I find it
kind of funny that the main reason for the 7.1 is my quad core 6600 has
the lowest score.I have searched trying to find how much room it should
take and I have not had much luck.




On 1/7/2012 4:41 PM, PaulM wrote:
> Download the script, run it, restart and enter Bios and enable AHCI
> mode. Reboot and you may be asked to reboot again.
> The script will explain everything when to run it.
>
>
>
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>> "Drew" wrote in message news:jea95k$n2a$...
>
>> Paul. I would not say I am stupid when it comes to computers but since
>> I have never actually run a script like this before what do I need to
>> do exactly? Will it enable in the bios or will I have to enter the
>> bios and make changes? Do I download and save or just simply run it
>> and when it is done and ahci is enabled do I need to do anything at
>> that point? I do not totally understand it. Wait,now I do feel stupid..
>
>
>
>
> On 12/30/2011 3:56 PM, PaulM wrote:
>> I have a script for that, you can download it here:
>>
>> http://www.paulsxp.com/forum/viewtop...e607205a0d9aa7
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul's XP and Vista Tweaks
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> www.paulsxp.com
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> Paul's Forum
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> www.paulsxp.com/forum
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> "Drew" wrote in message news:jdj0ia$aa8$...
>>
>>> Well whaddya know a question for the gang!! I am currently running
>>> win7 pro 64 on a small (40gig) ssd that was somehow set to ide on
>>> install. I am going to upgrade this ssd to a 120gig ssd and then hang
>>> on to the current 40gig for storage. Is there a way to purchase a new
>>> ssd,connect it and set it to ahci then transfer windows to it? Or will
>>> this hose windows?
>>
>>> First off win7 is taking all of the 40gig drive hence the reason for
>>> the upgrade. Actual use is 37.19 total capacity and only 4.48 gigs
>>> clear. Still not sure why it takes so much room when only the op
>>> system is installed on this drive.
>>
>>> Currently my ssd scores a 7.2 on the W.E.I. as a ide drive. I know
>>> some have said they are much better set to ahci.
>>
>>> As always any help is appreciated.
>>
>>> Drew.
>>
>

I run an ssd and Windows 7 64 bit sp1 takes up 35gb.



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>"Drew" wrote in message news:jec54p$e8d$...

>Thanks Paul. As to my original post I really do not want to buy another
>hard drive but I just do not have any room on this one. I run 2 160 gig
>drives for other programs and games and the main purpose for this computer
>is games as I have another for serious work. I am a little shocked as to
>why windows is taking 37 gigs when the only thing on this 40 gig ssd is
>win7 sp1.The other reason for worry is this machine is a home built 5 year
>old that scores 7.1 out of the gate.I hate to take a chance on messing up
>that kind of dependability as it has never crashed never bogged down never
>anything but rock solid and very fast.I find it kind of funny that the main
>reason for the 7.1 is my quad core 6600 has the lowest score.I have
>searched trying to find how much room it should take and I have not had
>much luck.




On 1/7/2012 4:41 PM, PaulM wrote:
> Download the script, run it, restart and enter Bios and enable AHCI
> mode. Reboot and you may be asked to reboot again.
> The script will explain everything when to run it.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Paul's XP, Vista and Windows 7 Tweaks
> ----------------------------------------------------
> www.paulsxp.com
> ----------------------------------------------------
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> ----------------------------------------------------
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> ----------------------------------------------------
>> "Drew" wrote in message news:jea95k$n2a$...
>
>> Paul. I would not say I am stupid when it comes to computers but since
>> I have never actually run a script like this before what do I need to
>> do exactly? Will it enable in the bios or will I have to enter the
>> bios and make changes? Do I download and save or just simply run it
>> and when it is done and ahci is enabled do I need to do anything at
>> that point? I do not totally understand it. Wait,now I do feel stupid..
>
>
>
>
> On 12/30/2011 3:56 PM, PaulM wrote:
>> I have a script for that, you can download it here:
>>
>> http://www.paulsxp.com/forum/viewtop...e607205a0d9aa7
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul's XP and Vista Tweaks
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> www.paulsxp.com
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> Paul's Forum
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> www.paulsxp.com/forum
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> "Drew" wrote in message news:jdj0ia$aa8$...
>>
>>> Well whaddya know a question for the gang!! I am currently running
>>> win7 pro 64 on a small (40gig) ssd that was somehow set to ide on
>>> install. I am going to upgrade this ssd to a 120gig ssd and then hang
>>> on to the current 40gig for storage. Is there a way to purchase a new
>>> ssd,connect it and set it to ahci then transfer windows to it? Or will
>>> this hose windows?
>>
>>> First off win7 is taking all of the 40gig drive hence the reason for
>>> the upgrade. Actual use is 37.19 total capacity and only 4.48 gigs
>>> clear. Still not sure why it takes so much room when only the op
>>> system is installed on this drive.
>>
>>> Currently my ssd scores a 7.2 on the W.E.I. as a ide drive. I know
>>> some have said they are much better set to ahci.
>>
>>> As always any help is appreciated.
>>
>>> Drew.
>>
>