IE 7, no customizing?

The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would
be allowing me to keep my menu and/or command bar open and move it to the top
bar, in line with the search bar; I would still have ample room to type my
web addresses. The tabs are nice, no complaints there. But as for the rest
of IE 7, I am very dissapointed. With every update Microsoft brings, more
bubbles and fluff seems to appear. If I wanted my screen to look like a
teeny boppers paradise I would have stayed with that horrible AOL. I am an
adult, if I want visual stimulation, I will browse to an art site. My
browser shouldn't be a distraction from what I am looking at. The old
configuration worked perfect. Everything was where it should be, and if it
wasn't, I could move it where I wanted it. I will be taking my buisiness to
FireFox within the next hour. They allow you to customize and tab with
<i>true</i> minimal clutter.

Farewell to you, Internet Explorer, it was good while it lasted.

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Monty wrote:

> The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
> very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
> place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
> refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
> the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
> This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would

It's saving space compared to the standard layout in IE6. But of
course it's not saving compared to a layout with all on one line, like
in this image: http://www.osterud.name/IE7layout.jpg

I hav given up IE7 and installed FireFox instead, there you can tweak
the UI just as you want using CSS code. Making it small all effective,
like in this image: http://www.osterud.name/FF2tweak.jpg

No what do you think is better. The small FF2 or the HUGE IE7 look :-)
--
Lars-Erik - http://www.osterud.name - ICQ 7297605

Eric, many people are with you. Unfortunately MS has their hands over their
ears. Even if they were to admit to themselves they screwed up they would
NEVER admit it to the public. Hope you have good browsing with Firefox.

"Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:

> Monty wrote:
>
> > The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
> > very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
> > place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
> > refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
> > the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
> > This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would
>
> It's saving space compared to the standard layout in IE6. But of
> course it's not saving compared to a layout with all on one line, like
> in this image: http://www.osterud.name/IE7layout.jpg
>
> I hav given up IE7 and installed FireFox instead, there you can tweak
> the UI just as you want using CSS code. Making it small all effective,
> like in this image: http://www.osterud.name/FF2tweak.jpg
>
> No what do you think is better. The small FF2 or the HUGE IE7 look :-)
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://www.osterud.name - ICQ 7297605
>

Sometimes I wonder if Microsoft intentionally sabotaged IE7 in order to push
users to the competition. Maybe they're tired of all the bad press they get
from hackers constantly abusing security holes that they'd rather get out of
the browser business altogether. What better way to do that than prematurely
release a buggy, uncustomizable disaster whose UI layout makes no logical
sense.




"Monty" wrote:

> The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
> very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
> place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
> refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
> the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
> This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would
> be allowing me to keep my menu and/or command bar open and move it to the top
> bar, in line with the search bar; I would still have ample room to type my
> web addresses. The tabs are nice, no complaints there. But as for the rest
> of IE 7, I am very dissapointed. With every update Microsoft brings, more
> bubbles and fluff seems to appear. If I wanted my screen to look like a
> teeny boppers paradise I would have stayed with that horrible AOL. I am an
> adult, if I want visual stimulation, I will browse to an art site. My
> browser shouldn't be a distraction from what I am looking at. The old
> configuration worked perfect. Everything was where it should be, and if it
> wasn't, I could move it where I wanted it. I will be taking my buisiness to
> FireFox within the next hour. They allow you to customize and tab with
> <i>true</i> minimal clutter.
>
> Farewell to you, Internet Explorer, it was good while it lasted.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...plorer.general

Will somebody at Microsoft PLEASE respond to this concern. Everywhere you
look in hte discussion board, you see the same concern that "Monty" so aptly
describes. They keep referring us back to the regedit function of moving
bars around. WE WANT TO MOVE BUTTONS!

HELLO???? Is anyone out there????


"Monty" wrote:

> The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
> very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
> place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
> refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
> the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
> This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would
> be allowing me to keep my menu and/or command bar open and move it to the top
> bar, in line with the search bar; I would still have ample room to type my
> web addresses. The tabs are nice, no complaints there. But as for the rest
> of IE 7, I am very dissapointed. With every update Microsoft brings, more
> bubbles and fluff seems to appear. If I wanted my screen to look like a
> teeny boppers paradise I would have stayed with that horrible AOL. I am an
> adult, if I want visual stimulation, I will browse to an art site. My
> browser shouldn't be a distraction from what I am looking at. The old
> configuration worked perfect. Everything was where it should be, and if it
> wasn't, I could move it where I wanted it. I will be taking my buisiness to
> FireFox within the next hour. They allow you to customize and tab with
> <i>true</i> minimal clutter.
>
> Farewell to you, Internet Explorer, it was good while it lasted.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...plorer.general

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:50:01 -0800, Dan
<> wrote:

>Sometimes I wonder if Microsoft intentionally sabotaged IE7 in order to push
>users to the competition. Maybe they're tired of all the bad press they get
>from hackers constantly abusing security holes that they'd rather get out of
>the browser business altogether. What better way to do that than prematurely
>release a buggy, uncustomizable disaster whose UI layout makes no logical
>sense.
>
snip

Interesting take - I thought it was infiltration of MSFT's IE7 coders
by Mozilla / Opera moles who deliberately sabotaged IE7. A fine job
they did too.

Jonah

Dan wrote:
> Sometimes I wonder if Microsoft intentionally sabotaged IE7 in order
> to push users to the competition. Maybe they're tired of all the bad
> press they get from hackers constantly abusing security holes that
> they'd rather get out of the browser business altogether. What better
> way to do that than prematurely release a buggy, uncustomizable
> disaster whose UI layout makes no logical sense.

I personally believe MS did some things (like not allowing customization and
scattering buttons) on purpose to irritate the chronic malcontents. In the
grand scheme, these pettifogers, cut-purses, and other rapscallions will
migrate to another browser, thereby diminishing the grief Micros~1 must
endure.

Works out well for everyone.

Microsoft is aware that its users want more customisability and are working
on making the next version of IE more customisable. Unfortunately, IE7 has
been finalised, so they cannot add any more customisability to it. Read my
post at
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...f-be24ce79f090

"rverginia" wrote:

> Will somebody at Microsoft PLEASE respond to this concern. Everywhere you
> look in hte discussion board, you see the same concern that "Monty" so aptly
> describes. They keep referring us back to the regedit function of moving
> bars around. WE WANT TO MOVE BUTTONS!
>
> HELLO???? Is anyone out there????
>
>
> "Monty" wrote:
>
> > The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
> > very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
> > place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
> > refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
> > the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
> > This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would
> > be allowing me to keep my menu and/or command bar open and move it to the top
> > bar, in line with the search bar; I would still have ample room to type my
> > web addresses. The tabs are nice, no complaints there. But as for the rest
> > of IE 7, I am very dissapointed. With every update Microsoft brings, more
> > bubbles and fluff seems to appear. If I wanted my screen to look like a
> > teeny boppers paradise I would have stayed with that horrible AOL. I am an
> > adult, if I want visual stimulation, I will browse to an art site. My
> > browser shouldn't be a distraction from what I am looking at. The old
> > configuration worked perfect. Everything was where it should be, and if it
> > wasn't, I could move it where I wanted it. I will be taking my buisiness to
> > FireFox within the next hour. They allow you to customize and tab with
> > <i>true</i> minimal clutter.
> >
> > Farewell to you, Internet Explorer, it was good while it lasted.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...plorer.general

I noticed that all the windows in those screenshots are maximised. If you go
to Full Screen mode in IE7 and then press Alt+Space and deselect Auto-Hide,
you can remove the title bar to save more space.

"Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:

> Monty wrote:
>
> > The inability to do anything with the menu bar other than hide it was not a
> > very user friendly idea. Nor was spreading out all the buttons all over the
> > place. you have the back and forward buttons on the top left, the stop and
> > refresh on the right/middle, the favorites buttons on the bottom left, and
> > the command bar menu on the bottom right. Why is everything all spread out?
> > This cannot possibly be saving me space. <br>What would save me space would
>
> It's saving space compared to the standard layout in IE6. But of
> course it's not saving compared to a layout with all on one line, like
> in this image: http://www.osterud.name/IE7layout.jpg
>
> I hav given up IE7 and installed FireFox instead, there you can tweak
> the UI just as you want using CSS code. Making it small all effective,
> like in this image: http://www.osterud.name/FF2tweak.jpg
>
> No what do you think is better. The small FF2 or the HUGE IE7 look :-)
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://www.osterud.name - ICQ 7297605
>

It's interesting that MS got it quite so wrong despite the extensive beta
testing.

I've now downloaded both Opera and FireFox and I'm trying all three. (All
three can be installed at the same time without any problems.) Broadly, I
prefer the other two to IE7. This is due in large measure to the annoying
lack of customisability in IE7, but personal preferences no doubt play a part
too.

Others may like to try this experiment; they may end up opting for one of
the other browsers, or, they may conclude, as I think may well be my final
conclusion, that each browser has its place because each is better for
certain types of browsing.

Probably, the only aspect of IE7 which I prefer over the other two browsers
is a third party add-on: EasyRead, which provides excellent zooming, superior
to what is available in either of the other browsers (even since the recent
addition of a somewhat similar zoominig utility in FireFox, although the
FireFox utility is slower and unable to handle mixed images and text). But
then again, the availability of numerous add-ons is a fact of life of IE to a
greater extent than other browsers. And good zooming is something I
particularly value.

The lack of customisability and incompatibility issues - eg with all but the
most recent versions of QuickBooks - will probably cause me to revert to IE6
until these issues are ironed out. I would not normally have upgraded to IE7
so soon but I thought that with all the beta-testing, issues like these would
already have been sorted out. And of course the greater security apparently
afforded by IE7 was a prime consideration. But perhaps the louts who seek
and exploit vulnerabilities in IE will turn their attention now primarily to
IE7 anyway, leaving IE6 largely alone.

Ken