IE and Windows Mobile 5

Hi,

I have an Archer PDA that I am connecting to a linux box through the USB
rndis miniport. Once connected, I am able to ping the PDA from the linux
box, also from the PDA using minimo, go to webpages that are running on a
builtin webserver running on the Linux box.
If I try to use Internet Explorer, it says I am not connected. My guess is
because I am not running any activesync daemon on the linux box. SyncE is the
equivalent version of this but assume for now I cannot run this on the linux
box.
My question is there must be some way to tell IE to not check to see if
there is an activesync connection to work. Whats also dumb is that if I have
a cached webpage open in IE, clicking on links will work. Its only when I
try to type in a new address and hit enter, it says not connected and will
not even attempt to send an IP message.

that's by design
or try hard reset


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"TimPowell" <>, haber iletisinde þunlarý
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> Hi,
>
> I have an Archer PDA that I am connecting to a linux box through the USB
> rndis miniport. Once connected, I am able to ping the PDA from the linux
> box, also from the PDA using minimo, go to webpages that are running on a
> builtin webserver running on the Linux box.
> If I try to use Internet Explorer, it says I am not connected. My guess is
> because I am not running any activesync daemon on the linux box. SyncE is
> the
> equivalent version of this but assume for now I cannot run this on the linux
> box.
> My question is there must be some way to tell IE to not check to see if
> there is an activesync connection to work. Whats also dumb is that if I
> have
> a cached webpage open in IE, clicking on links will work. Its only when I
> try to type in a new address and hit enter, it says not connected and will
> not even attempt to send an IP message.

Despite what "Mr. Helpful" says, this isn't a problem where Microsoft
specifically tried to prevent you from working in this configuration. The
problem is that, when you plugged in that device, which acts like a network
adapter, you created a new, small network consisting of just the Linux box
and the mobile device. In order to reach outside sites from the Windows
Mobile device, you need to configure the Linux box to route traffic through
from the WM device to the Internet (presumably connected to another network
adapter on the Linux box).

I don't *think* that this is related to ActiveSync, since you're able to
ping the Linux box. Would I be correct in guessing that you can't ping from
the WM device to the *gateway* which the Linux box uses to get to the
Internet?

Paul T.

"TimPowell" <> wrote in message
news:24999B17-3D74-4FEF-80D2-...
> Hi,
>
> I have an Archer PDA that I am connecting to a linux box through the USB
> rndis miniport. Once connected, I am able to ping the PDA from the linux
> box, also from the PDA using minimo, go to webpages that are running on a
> builtin webserver running on the Linux box.
> If I try to use Internet Explorer, it says I am not connected. My guess
> is
> because I am not running any activesync daemon on the linux box. SyncE is
> the
> equivalent version of this but assume for now I cannot run this on the
> linux
> box.
> My question is there must be some way to tell IE to not check to see if
> there is an activesync connection to work. Whats also dumb is that if I
> have
> a cached webpage open in IE, clicking on links will work. Its only when I
> try to type in a new address and hit enter, it says not connected and
> will
> not even attempt to send an IP message.

I'm not trying to get to the Internet. The linux "box" is really an embedded
device with a linux kernel. It is running a webpage. When the interface
comes "up" on my linux "box", I manually configure it to have an ip address
of 169.254.2.2. From the "box", I can ping the PDA which I gave an address
of 169.254.2.1. On the PDA I can ping as well. Using minimo, if I give the
address http://169.254.2.2 our custom web page comes up. With IE, it won't
connect, always giving me the error that my connection settings are wrong.
I have the same setup on an actual linux PC as my embedded device and I'm
running an FTP server on the actual linux PC. The only way I can connect to
the ftp server with FTP is if

1.) Odccm is running (linux equivalent of activesync) Upon connection the
network
icon will become connected.
2.) I have it configured so that my "private network" connects to an ISP.
The distinction between "private network" and "work network" isn't real
apparant either.
3.) The rndis host conncetion on the PDA I manually assign an IP address,
since I've determined that upon connection it tries to DHCP out to the
server, which I haven't set up on that interface.

Oh yea, and a hard reset doesn't help.

-Tim


"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:

> Despite what "Mr. Helpful" says, this isn't a problem where Microsoft
> specifically tried to prevent you from working in this configuration. The
> problem is that, when you plugged in that device, which acts like a network
> adapter, you created a new, small network consisting of just the Linux box
> and the mobile device. In order to reach outside sites from the Windows
> Mobile device, you need to configure the Linux box to route traffic through
> from the WM device to the Internet (presumably connected to another network
> adapter on the Linux box).
>
> I don't *think* that this is related to ActiveSync, since you're able to
> ping the Linux box. Would I be correct in guessing that you can't ping from
> the WM device to the *gateway* which the Linux box uses to get to the
> Internet?
>
> Paul T.
>
> "TimPowell" <> wrote in message
> news:24999B17-3D74-4FEF-80D2-...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have an Archer PDA that I am connecting to a linux box through the USB
> > rndis miniport. Once connected, I am able to ping the PDA from the linux
> > box, also from the PDA using minimo, go to webpages that are running on a
> > builtin webserver running on the Linux box.
> > If I try to use Internet Explorer, it says I am not connected. My guess
> > is
> > because I am not running any activesync daemon on the linux box. SyncE is
> > the
> > equivalent version of this but assume for now I cannot run this on the
> > linux
> > box.
> > My question is there must be some way to tell IE to not check to see if
> > there is an activesync connection to work. Whats also dumb is that if I
> > have
> > a cached webpage open in IE, clicking on links will work. Its only when I
> > try to type in a new address and hit enter, it says not connected and
> > will
> > not even attempt to send an IP message.
>
>
>

OK. I understand better now. I have no idea what minimo is, but it doesn't
seem crucial to the problem.

The "The Internet" or "Work" connections are used to decide which of several
'network' connections is used when connecting to certain named resources.
That is, any network name of the form x.y, where x might be "microsoft" and
y might be "com", will always try to use The Internet to connect. If you
connect to a name like "MyServer", that will try to use the Work connection.
So, it's kind of a partitioning scheme. I don't know where it's going to
try to go when you enter an IP address, but I'll try a few things here...
My experience seems to indicate that using the IP address in this way
doesn't work (I'm running IIS on an XP PC connected with USB). However,
using the NetBIOS machine name and setting the USB Remote NDIS Host adapter
on the Windows Mobile 5 device to connect to Work connects and gets the page
just fine. Fool around with those things a bit and see if you can't find a
combination of host names and network settings that will work for you.

You might also want to set the USB RNDIS adapter on your Linux box to get
its IP via DHCP, which the Windows Mobile device will give you. That
insulates you from any future IP address changes in ActiveSync.

Paul T.

"TimPowell" <> wrote in message
news:AC9DB314-49F3-4066-B4FC-...
> I'm not trying to get to the Internet. The linux "box" is really an
> embedded
> device with a linux kernel. It is running a webpage. When the interface
> comes "up" on my linux "box", I manually configure it to have an ip
> address
> of 169.254.2.2. From the "box", I can ping the PDA which I gave an
> address
> of 169.254.2.1. On the PDA I can ping as well. Using minimo, if I give
> the
> address http://169.254.2.2 our custom web page comes up. With IE, it
> won't
> connect, always giving me the error that my connection settings are wrong.
> I have the same setup on an actual linux PC as my embedded device and I'm
> running an FTP server on the actual linux PC. The only way I can connect
> to
> the ftp server with FTP is if
>
> 1.) Odccm is running (linux equivalent of activesync) Upon connection the
> network
> icon will become connected.
> 2.) I have it configured so that my "private network" connects to an ISP.
> The distinction between "private network" and "work network" isn't real
> apparant either.
> 3.) The rndis host conncetion on the PDA I manually assign an IP address,
> since I've determined that upon connection it tries to DHCP out to the
> server, which I haven't set up on that interface.
>
> Oh yea, and a hard reset doesn't help.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" wrote:
>
>> Despite what "Mr. Helpful" says, this isn't a problem where Microsoft
>> specifically tried to prevent you from working in this configuration.
>> The
>> problem is that, when you plugged in that device, which acts like a
>> network
>> adapter, you created a new, small network consisting of just the Linux
>> box
>> and the mobile device. In order to reach outside sites from the Windows
>> Mobile device, you need to configure the Linux box to route traffic
>> through
>> from the WM device to the Internet (presumably connected to another
>> network
>> adapter on the Linux box).
>>
>> I don't *think* that this is related to ActiveSync, since you're able to
>> ping the Linux box. Would I be correct in guessing that you can't ping
>> from
>> the WM device to the *gateway* which the Linux box uses to get to the
>> Internet?
>>
>> Paul T.
>>
>> "TimPowell" <> wrote in message
>> news:24999B17-3D74-4FEF-80D2-...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have an Archer PDA that I am connecting to a linux box through the
>> > USB
>> > rndis miniport. Once connected, I am able to ping the PDA from the
>> > linux
>> > box, also from the PDA using minimo, go to webpages that are running
>> > on a
>> > builtin webserver running on the Linux box.
>> > If I try to use Internet Explorer, it says I am not connected. My
>> > guess
>> > is
>> > because I am not running any activesync daemon on the linux box. SyncE
>> > is
>> > the
>> > equivalent version of this but assume for now I cannot run this on the
>> > linux
>> > box.
>> > My question is there must be some way to tell IE to not check to see if
>> > there is an activesync connection to work. Whats also dumb is that if
>> > I
>> > have
>> > a cached webpage open in IE, clicking on links will work. Its only
>> > when I
>> > try to type in a new address and hit enter, it says not connected and
>> > will
>> > not even attempt to send an IP message.
>>
>>
>>