when will IEEE 1394 be fixed?

This is rediculus that people are having so much trouble with firewire. Im a
video editor and I just swithed over to Vista ultimate and to tell you the
truth it's bull that I cant even capture video for a project I have been
working on for a while, using xp pro. Ive switched capture cards Ive used two
different cameras and one video deck. Two different cables and three
programs to capture. So I think Ive covered my bases...... Come on Microsoft
get your act together and cover yours.......

"Jerald Pierucci" <Jerald > wrote in
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> This is rediculus that people are having so much trouble with firewire.
> Im a
> video editor and I just swithed over to Vista ultimate and to tell you the
> truth it's bull that I cant even capture video for a project I have been
> working on for a while, using xp pro. Ive switched capture cards Ive used
> two
> different cameras and one video deck. Two different cables and three
> programs to capture. So I think Ive covered my bases...... Come on
> Microsoft
> get your act together and cover yours.......

Judging from what you've written, this is a hardware issue, specifically
drivers and drivers are the responsibility of the device manufacturer. This
is not meant as criticism. It's meant to let you know, you may be waiting
on the wrong party for help. It's possible someone here might be able to
help but you've given us nothing with which to work. No make or model of
your hardware, not the cameras or graphics card you mentioned and nothing
about the computer you are using.

You haven't told us if you have checked for the latest Vista compatible
drivers for your hardware at the device manufacturer's website or what
software you are trying to use and whether or not you've checked for
updates, patches or new versions of that software.

I've participated in numerous Microsoft operating system betas, including
Vista, going back to Windows 98 and whatever faults I've found with the
process or decisions they've made over the years, one thing I can say is
they are very good about getting the proper tools to app developers and
hardware manufacturer's.

If you've spoken to support for your particular device and they said it was
a Vista issue, I'd just point out, that is a stock response from first line
support who themselves, generally don't know the drivers are the
responsibility of the manufacturer. They usually assume, if the drivers
don't work, the problem is the OS or the new OS.

All that said, rule of them is, if you are in the middle of a mission
critical project, you don't change operating systems until it is complete
because even with an OS that has been on the market for awhile, you still
need to bring your hardware and software up to date and assure it is all
fully functional with the new OS.

--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Why should it be fixed. Works at my house


"Jerald Pierucci" <Jerald > wrote in
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> This is rediculus that people are having so much trouble with firewire.
> Im a
> video editor and I just swithed over to Vista ultimate and to tell you the
> truth it's bull that I cant even capture video for a project I have been
> working on for a while, using xp pro. Ive switched capture cards Ive used
> two
> different cameras and one video deck. Two different cables and three
> programs to capture. So I think Ive covered my bases...... Come on
> Microsoft
> get your act together and cover yours.......

First off Karyn come on...read these forums it is full of people that are
having problems with dv products connecting though firewire. Dont be so
short sided. Now michael I want to address what you said becuase yes I wasnt
specific on what I am useing. Ok for hardwear, I was useing a Sound blaster
Audigy 2 which has a fire wire port on the board itself. Drivers are
currrent. The other piece of onboard hardwear is a standard IEEE 1394 card.
Vista saw it, found the drivers fine. Now for the DV stuff. I first used a
Canon XL-1 digital camera. Windows saw it, but there are no drivers for for
the camera. XP Pro would do the same thing for the camera but it would work.
Now the other piece of hardwear is a JVC Mini DV/SVHS deck that I have been
useing with XP pro forever. It is seen by Vista but like the XL-1 there are
no drivers for the hardwear. What I am truely confused about is that there
have never been drivers for these two items. But Ive used them flawlessly
with XP pro...why the problem now with vista? So now I have to dual boot my
machine just to capture video......thats not right.

"Karyn Jayne Panze" wrote:

> Why should it be fixed. Works at my house
>
>
> "Jerald Pierucci" <Jerald > wrote in
> message news:02E60CC1-B8FE-4701-9F14-...
> > This is rediculus that people are having so much trouble with firewire.
> > Im a
> > video editor and I just swithed over to Vista ultimate and to tell you the
> > truth it's bull that I cant even capture video for a project I have been
> > working on for a while, using xp pro. Ive switched capture cards Ive used
> > two
> > different cameras and one video deck. Two different cables and three
> > programs to capture. So I think Ive covered my bases...... Come on
> > Microsoft
> > get your act together and cover yours.......
>
>
>

"Jerald Pierucci" <> wrote in
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> First off Karyn come on...read these forums it is full of people that are
> having problems with dv products connecting though firewire. Dont be so
> short sided. Now michael I want to address what you said becuase yes I
> wasnt
> specific on what I am useing. Ok for hardwear, I was useing a Sound
> blaster
> Audigy 2 which has a fire wire port on the board itself. Drivers are
> currrent. The other piece of onboard hardwear is a standard IEEE 1394
> card.
> Vista saw it, found the drivers fine. Now for the DV stuff. I first used
> a
> Canon XL-1 digital camera. Windows saw it, but there are no drivers for
> for
> the camera. XP Pro would do the same thing for the camera but it would
> work.
> Now the other piece of hardwear is a JVC Mini DV/SVHS deck that I have
> been
> useing with XP pro forever. It is seen by Vista but like the XL-1 there
> are
> no drivers for the hardwear. What I am truely confused about is that
> there
> have never been drivers for these two items. But Ive used them flawlessly
> with XP pro...why the problem now with vista? So now I have to dual boot
> my
> machine just to capture video......thats not right.
>
> "Karyn Jayne Panze" wrote:
>
>> Why should it be fixed. Works at my house
>>
>>
>> "Jerald Pierucci" <Jerald > wrote in
>> message news:02E60CC1-B8FE-4701-9F14-...
>> > This is rediculus that people are having so much trouble with firewire.
>> > Im a
>> > video editor and I just swithed over to Vista ultimate and to tell you
>> > the
>> > truth it's bull that I cant even capture video for a project I have
>> > been
>> > working on for a while, using xp pro. Ive switched capture cards Ive
>> > used
>> > two
>> > different cameras and one video deck. Two different cables and three
>> > programs to capture. So I think Ive covered my bases...... Come on
>> > Microsoft
>> > get your act together and cover yours.......
>>
>>
>>

I just went to the Canon site, their statement about drivers at the download
site is "If there are no drivers either your camera doesn't need them or
they are supplied by the operating system or the camera wasn't designed to
be connected to a computer."

I then checked the manual for the XL-1 and there was nothing in it about
connecting to a computer so I'm guessing it falls into the not designed to
connect to a computer category. Windows XP was far more forgiving about
this sort of thing than is Vista. It's also possible, that XP found a
driver for a comparable camera, installed it and made it work that way.

You would need to check the manual for the deck to see if it says anything
about connecting to a computer but if not, it wasn't likely designed for
that purpose either and that would appear to be the source of your problem.

This would not appear to be an IEEE 1394 issue, it would appear to be an
issue of compatibility with the camera and the deck. You got lucky that
they worked in XP but as I said, Vista is far less forgiving about hardware.
I understand your annoyance but it's not unusual for a new operating system
to require updated software and it's unrealistic to make an assumption that
because it worked in a previous version it should work in the newer version.

I've worked with computers since mainframes were the standard and computers
just don't work that way. And to reiterate what I said at the outset, it's
up to Canon and JVC to support their hardware in the new OS and given that
it doesn't appear they were even doing so in XP, it would seem highly
unlikely they would do so now.

I know that is not something you want to hear but if you are waiting for
some sort of update to the OS that would fix this, it's not Microsoft's
hardware so unless Canon and JVC are going to supply drivers and/or other
software that will get these devices working, I don't think it's going to
happen. You can try support for both devices and see what manufacturer's
support has to say or if they can offer any assistance.
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

Em Quinta, 2 de Agosto de 2007 03:54, Jerald Pierucci escreveu:

> What I am truely confused about is that
> there
> have never been drivers for these two items. But Ive used them flawlessly
> with XP pro...why the problem now with vista?

And i believe you are right.

I have a Cannon MV530i and i do some DV capturing with it, but there is no
need for a especific driver for it. In fact it only requires to the
ieee1394 is configured, nothing more. DV connection is standard.

In linux, these cameras all work with a driver called "raw1394", that is
nothing more but a driver for raw conecction on firewire interfaces, and
i've seen several diferent handycams all working with this driver. In
windows it can not be diferent.

So, two possible situations:
--the vista driver for firewire sucks

--the program you are using for DV capturing is not compatible with vista.

Regards

"ArameFarpado" <a-> wrote in message
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> Em Quinta, 2 de Agosto de 2007 03:54, Jerald Pierucci escreveu:
>
>> What I am truely confused about is that
>> there
>> have never been drivers for these two items. But Ive used them
>> flawlessly
>> with XP pro...why the problem now with vista?
>
> And i believe you are right.
>
> I have a Cannon MV530i and i do some DV capturing with it, but there is no
> need for a especific driver for it. In fact it only requires to the
> ieee1394 is configured, nothing more. DV connection is standard.
>
> In linux, these cameras all work with a driver called "raw1394", that is
> nothing more but a driver for raw conecction on firewire interfaces, and
> i've seen several diferent handycams all working with this driver. In
> windows it can not be diferent.
>
> So, two possible situations:
> --the vista driver for firewire sucks
>
> --the program you are using for DV capturing is not compatible with vista.
>
> Regards
>
>
Yes, I missed something as the OP seemed to say the camera was recognized in
Vista. I thought he meant it was recognized in XP but not Vista but
re-reading seemed to imply otherwise. If that is the case, it would seem to
rule out the hardware as the issue and indicate his software might be the
problem and not compatible or fully compatible with Vista.

--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/