IMPORTANT! Don't take any driver updates from windows update

Hello to all,

Since I see a lot of people struggling here with hardware issues because of
downloading drivers from WU here I thought it wise to try and prevent this
and saving everybody a lot of time and worries

Just so you know:

It is not recommanded to take any driver updates grom windows update.

If a driver is needed, meaning if the hardware is not functioning properly
than go to the manufacturers website and get the right driver for your
hardware there.

Remember: if it ain't broke: do NOT try to "FIX" it thinking wrongly that
newer must be better.

If your hardware is working fine: leave it be working fine

Best regards,
Michel Denie

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realcestmoi wrote:
> Hello to all,
>
> Since I see a lot of people struggling here with hardware issues because of
> downloading drivers from WU here I thought it wise to try and prevent this
> and saving everybody a lot of time and worries
>
> Just so you know:
>
> It is not recommanded to take any driver updates grom windows update.
>
> If a driver is needed, meaning if the hardware is not functioning properly
> than go to the manufacturers website and get the right driver for your
> hardware there.
>
> Remember: if it ain't broke: do NOT try to "FIX" it thinking wrongly that
> newer must be better.
>
> If your hardware is working fine: leave it be working fine
>
> Best regards,
> Michel Denie
>
>

You are a perfect example of why some people shouldn't be allowed near a
computer.

The fact that you can not see the problem, does not mean it doesn't need
to be corrected.

One other thing...those reporting problems do not constitute, "everybody".

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Hi Iron,

It is free advice given , and I allowed near a computer and in fact I am
mostly near a computer due to my work as a PC Technician I have to solve
problems.

You are free to use WU be my guest and update your videocard driver, most
likely you will end up with a nice blue screen, that is if you have disabled
the standard setting: reboot when an error occurs if else your

All I am trying to do is: save myself a lot of extra work I do for free and
the computer user a headache.

I think you get my drift now

Best regards,
Michel Denie



"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <> wrote in message
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> realcestmoi wrote:
>> Hello to all,
>>
>> Since I see a lot of people struggling here with hardware issues because
>> of
>> downloading drivers from WU here I thought it wise to try and prevent
>> this
>> and saving everybody a lot of time and worries
>>
>> Just so you know:
>>
>> It is not recommanded to take any driver updates grom windows update.
>>
>> If a driver is needed, meaning if the hardware is not functioning
>> properly
>> than go to the manufacturers website and get the right driver for your
>> hardware there.
>>
>> Remember: if it ain't broke: do NOT try to "FIX" it thinking wrongly that
>> newer must be better.
>>
>> If your hardware is working fine: leave it be working fine
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michel Denie
>>
>>
>
> You are a perfect example of why some people shouldn't be allowed near a
> computer.
>
> The fact that you can not see the problem, does not mean it doesn't need
> to be corrected.
>
> One other thing...those reporting problems do not constitute, "everybody".
>
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> Iron Feliks
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Both of you are mostly correct.

Generally it is not a good idea to get a driver from Microsoft/Windows
Update.
Also, generally drivers fall into the category of if it isn't broke,
don't fix it.
There are exceptions, and in some cases it may be broke and the user
may not know it.
If a driver shows as a Critical Update, there is more to it than
simply an updated driver.
Usually that is because the older driver caused performance issues or
worse with Windows.
In this case I still suggest getting the driver, but from the
manufacturer and not Microsoft.

All drivers distributed by Microsoft/Windows Update are provided by
the manufacturer to Microsoft.
The process getting the driver to Microsoft/Windows Update is time
consuming and often a newer driver is available at the manufacturers
website.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <> wrote in message
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> You are a perfect example of why some people shouldn't be allowed
> near a
> computer.
>
> The fact that you can not see the problem, does not mean it doesn't
> need
> to be corrected.
>
> One other thing...those reporting problems do not constitute,
> "everybody".
>
> - --
> Iron Feliks
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realcestmoi wrote:
> Hi Iron,
>
> It is free advice given , and I allowed near a computer and in fact I am
> mostly near a computer due to my work as a PC Technician I have to solve
> problems.
>
> You are free to use WU be my guest and update your videocard driver, most
> likely you will end up with a nice blue screen, that is if you have disabled
> the standard setting: reboot when an error occurs if else your
>
> All I am trying to do is: save myself a lot of extra work I do for free and
> the computer user a headache.
>
> I think you get my drift now
>
> Best regards,
> Michel Denie
>

Let me restate the point I was making by using an example. Let us
suppose that the manufacturer of the chipset on you motherboard that
controls your SATA drives, learns that under a specific set of
circumstances, the driver for that controller may fail, compromising the
data on the drives it controls. Since that set of circumstances hasn't
occurred on your computer, yet, you go on assuming all is well...until
your hard drive gets scribbled all over.

I have no problem with your doing things that way, but suggesting it to
others is irresponsible.

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Hi Iron,

It is surely not irresponsible to try and keep people out of trouble, it is
the other way arround :showing responsiblity

At least I am not saying that users should not be allowed near a computer,
that would not be clever: I would be out of a job That is why I took your
remark towards me that i should not be allowed near a computer the positive
way..

Best regards,
Michel Denie


"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <> wrote in message
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> realcestmoi wrote:
>> Hi Iron,
>>
>> It is free advice given , and I allowed near a computer and in fact I am
>> mostly near a computer due to my work as a PC Technician I have to solve
>> problems.
>>
>> You are free to use WU be my guest and update your videocard driver, most
>> likely you will end up with a nice blue screen, that is if you have
>> disabled
>> the standard setting: reboot when an error occurs if else your
>>
>> All I am trying to do is: save myself a lot of extra work I do for free
>> and
>> the computer user a headache.
>>
>> I think you get my drift now
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michel Denie
>>
>
> Let me restate the point I was making by using an example. Let us
> suppose that the manufacturer of the chipset on you motherboard that
> controls your SATA drives, learns that under a specific set of
> circumstances, the driver for that controller may fail, compromising the
> data on the drives it controls. Since that set of circumstances hasn't
> occurred on your computer, yet, you go on assuming all is well...until
> your hard drive gets scribbled all over.
>
> I have no problem with your doing things that way, but suggesting it to
> others is irresponsible.
>
> - --
> Iron Feliks
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realcestmoi wrote:
> Hi Iron,
>
> It is surely not irresponsible to try and keep people out of trouble, it is
> the other way arround :showing responsiblity
>
> At least I am not saying that users should not be allowed near a computer,
> that would not be clever: I would be out of a job That is why I took your
> remark towards me that i should not be allowed near a computer the positive
> way..
>
> Best regards,
> Michel Denie
>
>

Now that we are narrowing the gap, let me point out that of the people
who use computers, a very small portion do things like checking the
availabilty of upgrades to solve problems that they have not yet
experienced. Without these "opportunities" being presented by Windows
Update, they would never know what was available...or why.

My background is in security. I can't fathom the locking of the barn
after the horse is gone. If something fixes something that has not, and
may not happen on my computer, I want that fix...even though I may never
need it. The alternative isn't acceptable.


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Hello Felix,

The Excperience has learned me that most Windows users enable automatic
updates and letting it download and install whatever it offers including
driver updates without monitoring it....

My message is posted to prevent this and let people be more aware of what
they are installing and if it is really needed to take a particular update,
that is why the if it ain't broke do not try to fix it message; in other
words keeping the horse healthy in the barn

I strongly believe that what I am trying to achieve here is well meant and
works, it works for all my well satisfied customers

Best regards,
Michel Denie
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"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <> wrote in message
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> realcestmoi wrote:
>> Hi Iron,
>>
>> It is surely not irresponsible to try and keep people out of trouble, it
>> is
>> the other way arround :showing responsiblity
>>
>> At least I am not saying that users should not be allowed near a
>> computer,
>> that would not be clever: I would be out of a job That is why I took
>> your
>> remark towards me that i should not be allowed near a computer the
>> positive
>> way..
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michel Denie
>>
>>
>
> Now that we are narrowing the gap, let me point out that of the people
> who use computers, a very small portion do things like checking the
> availabilty of upgrades to solve problems that they have not yet
> experienced. Without these "opportunities" being presented by Windows
> Update, they would never know what was available...or why.
>
> My background is in security. I can't fathom the locking of the barn
> after the horse is gone. If something fixes something that has not, and
> may not happen on my computer, I want that fix...even though I may never
> need it. The alternative isn't acceptable.
>
>
> - --
> Iron Feliks
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If a Driver Update comes down via Automatic Update, it is probable the
computer is broken whether the owner knows it or not.
Recommended driver updates do not come down via Automatic Update.
If there is something wrong, as determined by the hardware
manufacturer and Microsoft, such as would cause instability in Windows
or something as severe the driver will come via Automatic Update.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"realcestmoi" <> wrote in message
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> Hello Felix,
>
> The Excperience has learned me that most Windows users enable
> automatic updates and letting it download and install whatever it
> offers including driver updates without monitoring it....
>
> My message is posted to prevent this and let people be more aware of
> what they are installing and if it is really needed to take a
> particular update, that is why the if it ain't broke do not try to
> fix it message; in other words keeping the horse healthy in the
> barn
>
> I strongly believe that what I am trying to achieve here is well
> meant and works, it works for all my well satisfied customers
>
> Best regards,
> Michel Denie

On Sun, 13 May 2007 16:37:07 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
<> wrote:

> If something fixes something that has not, and
>may not happen on my computer, I want that fix...even though I may never
>need it.

My experience with installing a driver via MS updates was both
unpleasant and strange.

Unpleasant:
because it was a driver update to my sound card. After the update, no
more sound. Using restore to get back before the catastrophe did not
get my sound back. The only way was to wipe all traces of my sound
card's software installations (Drivers, controls, plugins. etc) off my
system and reinstall. After getting everything back to the way it was
before MS I checked my sound card's web site for the latest
update/upgrade and they had the same identical version update that was
offered on the MS update site EXCEPT...

Strange:
because the same version number of the update offered by the sound
card's site was a different file size than the same version numbered
driver update on the MS update site. Same version number update,
different file size.... Hummmmm

BTW, the driver update from the sound card's web site worked fine and
according to their own discussion forums, others had had the same
problem with the "Same" version numbered driver update off the MS
update site.

Among many, many other snafu's, another lesson learned about getting
complacent around MS.

Regards