Installing New Windows Defender Updates

I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer to
install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.

Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot (Restart)
to install the updates.
--
Thank you in advance.

Phil

Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?

If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
not installed?

References:

Automatic Updates in WinXP
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Phil Rabichow wrote:
> I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
> reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer
> to
> install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
> Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
>
> Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
> (Restart)
> to install the updates.

Hi Robear:
Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up after
the computer shuts off. What I'm wondering is why I can't just reboot without
shutting down completely & still install updates.

In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then choosing
"turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would like to just choose
"restart", so I can walk away & install updates. Currently, I have to stick
around until the computer turns off & then manually start again. I'd like to
change that behavior. Is that possible? Does everyone have to shut down
completely to install udpates?
--
Thanks again,

Phil

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
>
> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
> not installed?
>
> References:
>
> Automatic Updates in WinXP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
>
> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> > I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
> > reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer
> > to
> > install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
> > Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
> >
> > Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
> > (Restart)
> > to install the updates.

I assume you're running WinXP Pro, not WinXP Home.

Logged-in as the Administrator is not the same thing as being logged-in to a
User Account with Admin privileges, Phil. See the links in my previous
reply.

[I handled your WinXP General thread about .NET Framework last week.]
--
~PA Bear

Phil Rabichow wrote:
> Hi Robear:
> Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
> privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up
> after the computer shuts off. What I'm wondering is why I can't just
> reboot without shutting down completely & still install updates.
>
> In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then
> choosing "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would
> like
> to just choose "restart", so I can walk away & install updates.
> Currently,
> I have to stick around until the computer turns off & then manually start
> again. I'd like to change that behavior. Is that possible? Does
> everyone
> have to shut down completely to install udpates?
>
>> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
>>
>> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
>> not installed?
>>
>> References:
>>
>> Automatic Updates in WinXP
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
>>
>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>> Phil Rabichow wrote:
>>> I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
>>> reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the
>>> computer
>>> to
>>> install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
>>> Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
>>> (Restart)
>>> to install the updates.

Hi Robear:
Yes, I have WinXP Pro SR-2. I reviewed the links, but they only say how to set
Automatic Updates, which I already have. Maybe I'm being unclear. I can install
updates, it's just that I have to completely shutdown my computer & restart it for
the Windows Defender updates to be installed.

My update setting is "Notify me but don't automatically download or install them."
When available, a yellow shield with an exlamation point sits in my system tray. I
can click it & choose "download" from the dialog box. Then I click it again &
choose "install". Later, to install them, I must go to Alt+F4, then "Turn off", to
install them. They WILL install then. However, I would like to just be able to
choose Alt+F4, then "Restart" to install them...but that doesn't work.

Is that how it works on everyone's machine or is there something wrong with mine?

[Yes, I recall you answering my .NET Framework question. Thank you.]
--
Thanks again,

Phil

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> I assume you're running WinXP Pro, not WinXP Home.
>
> Logged-in as the Administrator is not the same thing as being logged-in to a
> User Account with Admin privileges, Phil. See the links in my previous
> reply.
>
> [I handled your WinXP General thread about .NET Framework last week.]
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> > Hi Robear:
> > Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
> > privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up
> > after the computer shuts off. What I'm wondering is why I can't just
> > reboot without shutting down completely & still install updates.
> >
> > In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then
> > choosing "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would
> > like
> > to just choose "restart", so I can walk away & install updates.
> > Currently,
> > I have to stick around until the computer turns off & then manually start
> > again. I'd like to change that behavior. Is that possible? Does
> > everyone
> > have to shut down completely to install udpates?
> >
> >> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
> >>
> >> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
> >> not installed?
> >>
> >> References:
> >>
> >> Automatic Updates in WinXP
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
> >>
> >> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> >>> I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
> >>> reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the
> >>> computer
> >>> to
> >>> install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
> >>> Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
> >>> (Restart)
> >>> to install the updates.

"Phil Rabichow" <> wrote in message news:...
> Hi Robear:
> Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
> privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up after
> the computer shuts off.

> What I'm wondering is why I can't just reboot without
> shutting down completely & still install updates.


Because that's the way it works? ; )

Why aren't you installing the updates *before* you
shut down? In some cases where the updates require
restart that would initiate a timed reboot anyway (which
others complain bitterly about because they don't save
their work apparently.)


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


>
> In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then choosing
> "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would like to just choose
> "restart", so I can walk away & install updates. Currently, I have to stick
> around until the computer turns off & then manually start again. I'd like to
> change that behavior. Is that possible? Does everyone have to shut down
> completely to install udpates?
> --
> Thanks again,
>
> Phil
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
>>
>> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
>> not installed?
>>
>> References:
>>
>> Automatic Updates in WinXP
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
>>
>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>> Phil Rabichow wrote:
>> > I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
>> > reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer
>> > to
>> > install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
>> > Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
>> >
>> > Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
>> > (Restart)
>> > to install the updates.
>
>
>

Hi Robert:
Thanks for responding, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying. I DO
install before I reboot. However, the install requires a reboot. It doesn't happen
automatically. I have to manually reboot. I don't mind that. What I'm trying to
change is shutting off the machine completely & doing a cold reboot. When you say
"Because that's the way it works", that's what I'm trying to find out. Can you install
new Defender updates by doing a warm reboot or do you need to do a cold reboot?
--
Thanks,
Phil

Robert Aldwinckle wrote:

> "Phil Rabichow" <> wrote in message news:...
> > Hi Robear:
> > Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
> > privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up after
> > the computer shuts off.
>
> > What I'm wondering is why I can't just reboot without
> > shutting down completely & still install updates.
>
> Because that's the way it works? ; )
>
> Why aren't you installing the updates *before* you
> shut down? In some cases where the updates require
> restart that would initiate a timed reboot anyway (which
> others complain bitterly about because they don't save
> their work apparently.)
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
> >
> > In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then choosing
> > "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would like to just choose
> > "restart", so I can walk away & install updates. Currently, I have to stick
> > around until the computer turns off & then manually start again. I'd like to
> > change that behavior. Is that possible? Does everyone have to shut down
> > completely to install udpates?
> > --
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
> >>
> >> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
> >> not installed?
> >>
> >> References:
> >>
> >> Automatic Updates in WinXP
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
> >>
> >> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> >> > I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
> >> > reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer
> >> > to
> >> > install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
> >> > Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
> >> > (Restart)
> >> > to install the updates.
> >
> >
> >

What Robert said. If you're seeing the "install updates and then shutdown"
prompt, the updates have already download and the AU icon has appeared in
Notification Area and keeps nagging you to install the updates. Why don't
you Approve the install & install the updates before shutting down or
restarting on your own?

Phil Rabichow wrote:
> Hi Robear:
> Yes, I have WinXP Pro SR-2. I reviewed the links, but they only say how
> to
> set Automatic Updates, which I already have. Maybe I'm being unclear. I
> can install updates, it's just that I have to completely shutdown my
> computer & restart it for the Windows Defender updates to be installed.
>
> My update setting is "Notify me but don't automatically download or
> install
> them." When available, a yellow shield with an exlamation point sits in my
> system tray. I can click it & choose "download" from the dialog box.
> Then
> I click it again & choose "install". Later, to install them, I must go to
> Alt+F4, then "Turn off", to install them. They WILL install then.
> However, I would like to just be able to choose Alt+F4, then "Restart" to
> install them...but that doesn't work.
>
> Is that how it works on everyone's machine or is there something wrong
> with
> mine?
>
> [Yes, I recall you answering my .NET Framework question. Thank you.]
>
>> I assume you're running WinXP Pro, not WinXP Home.
>>
>> Logged-in as the Administrator is not the same thing as being logged-in
>> to
>> a User Account with Admin privileges, Phil. See the links in my previous
>> reply.
>>
>> [I handled your WinXP General thread about .NET Framework last week.]
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>> Phil Rabichow wrote:
>>> Hi Robear:
>>> Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with
>>> administrator
>>> privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting
>>> up
>>> after the computer shuts off. What I'm wondering is why I can't just
>>> reboot without shutting down completely & still install updates.
>>>
>>> In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then
>>> choosing "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would
>>> like
>>> to just choose "restart", so I can walk away & install updates.
>>> Currently,
>>> I have to stick around until the computer turns off & then manually
>>> start
>>> again. I'd like to change that behavior. Is that possible? Does
>>> everyone
>>> have to shut down completely to install udpates?
>>>
>>>> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
>>>>
>>>> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates
>>>> have
>>>> not installed?
>>>>
>>>> References:
>>>>
>>>> Automatic Updates in WinXP
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
>>>>
>>>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>> Phil Rabichow wrote:
>>>>> I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
>>>>> reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the
>>>>> computer
>>>>> to
>>>>> install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
>>>>> Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
>>>>> (Restart)
>>>>> to install the updates.

"Phil Rabichow" <> wrote in message news:...
> Hi Robert:
> Thanks for responding, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying. I DO
> install before I reboot. However, the install requires a reboot. It doesn't happen
> automatically. I have to manually reboot. I don't mind that.


> What I'm trying to
> change is shutting off the machine completely & doing a cold reboot. When you say
> "Because that's the way it works", that's what I'm trying to find out.


I meant that the AU overlay only applies to the Shut down
case. If you are just doing a reboot because the updates
say Restart required then any kind of reboot is sufficient.

Essentially all you are doing is making sure that modules
being updated are not in use so they can be renamed.
Search for the term PendingFileRenameOperations
for more information.


> Can you install
> new Defender updates by doing a warm reboot or do you need to do a cold reboot?


I'm not on my Vista partition right now but I'm not sure
Defender updates even require a reboot. Are you actually
being asked to do one for that case or just imagining that
it is needed?

In any case if you have installed some updates and just
need a reboot for that, a Restart would be sufficient.
AFAIK you would not need to do a complete power off
and the Shut down button would not have its overlay.


HTH

Robert
---


> --
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
>
>> "Phil Rabichow" <> wrote in message news:...
>> > Hi Robear:
>> > Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
>> > privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up after
>> > the computer shuts off.
>>
>> > What I'm wondering is why I can't just reboot without
>> > shutting down completely & still install updates.
>>
>> Because that's the way it works? ; )
>>
>> Why aren't you installing the updates *before* you
>> shut down? In some cases where the updates require
>> restart that would initiate a timed reboot anyway (which
>> others complain bitterly about because they don't save
>> their work apparently.)
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Robert Aldwinckle
>> ---
>>
>> >
>> > In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then choosing
>> > "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would like to just choose
>> > "restart", so I can walk away & install updates. Currently, I have to stick
>> > around until the computer turns off & then manually start again. I'd like to
>> > change that behavior. Is that possible? Does everyone have to shut down
>> > completely to install udpates?
>> > --
>> > Thanks again,
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
>> >>
>> >> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
>> >> not installed?
>> >>
>> >> References:
>> >>
>> >> Automatic Updates in WinXP
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
>> >>
>> >> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
>> >> --
>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>> >>
>> >> Phil Rabichow wrote:
>> >> > I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
>> >> > reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer
>> >> > to
>> >> > install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
>> >> > Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
>> >> > (Restart)
>> >> > to install the updates.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Hi Robear:
But that's not what's happening. I download the updates. Then I DO click install.
The message in the notification area goes away. Later, when I press Alt+F4, I see the
only option to install is to "turn off"; not if I restart.
--
Thanks again. I appreciate your time.

Phil

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> What Robert said. If you're seeing the "install updates and then shutdown"
> prompt, the updates have already download and the AU icon has appeared in
> Notification Area and keeps nagging you to install the updates. Why don't
> you Approve the install & install the updates before shutting down or
> restarting on your own?
>
> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> > Hi Robear:
> > Yes, I have WinXP Pro SR-2. I reviewed the links, but they only say how
> > to
> > set Automatic Updates, which I already have. Maybe I'm being unclear. I
> > can install updates, it's just that I have to completely shutdown my
> > computer & restart it for the Windows Defender updates to be installed.
> >
> > My update setting is "Notify me but don't automatically download or
> > install
> > them." When available, a yellow shield with an exlamation point sits in my
> > system tray. I can click it & choose "download" from the dialog box.
> > Then
> > I click it again & choose "install". Later, to install them, I must go to
> > Alt+F4, then "Turn off", to install them. They WILL install then.
> > However, I would like to just be able to choose Alt+F4, then "Restart" to
> > install them...but that doesn't work.
> >
> > Is that how it works on everyone's machine or is there something wrong
> > with
> > mine?
> >
> > [Yes, I recall you answering my .NET Framework question. Thank you.]
> >
> >> I assume you're running WinXP Pro, not WinXP Home.
> >>
> >> Logged-in as the Administrator is not the same thing as being logged-in
> >> to
> >> a User Account with Admin privileges, Phil. See the links in my previous
> >> reply.
> >>
> >> [I handled your WinXP General thread about .NET Framework last week.]
> >> --
> >> ~PA Bear
> >>
> >> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> >>> Hi Robear:
> >>> Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with
> >>> administrator
> >>> privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting
> >>> up
> >>> after the computer shuts off. What I'm wondering is why I can't just
> >>> reboot without shutting down completely & still install updates.
> >>>
> >>> In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then
> >>> choosing "turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would
> >>> like
> >>> to just choose "restart", so I can walk away & install updates.
> >>> Currently,
> >>> I have to stick around until the computer turns off & then manually
> >>> start
> >>> again. I'd like to change that behavior. Is that possible? Does
> >>> everyone
> >>> have to shut down completely to install udpates?
> >>>
> >>>> Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates
> >>>> have
> >>>> not installed?
> >>>>
> >>>> References:
> >>>>
> >>>> Automatic Updates in WinXP
> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...windowsxp.mspx
> >>>>
> >>>> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
> >>>> --
> >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil Rabichow wrote:
> >>>>> I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
> >>>>> reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the
> >>>>> computer
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
> >>>>> Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
> >>>>> (Restart)
> >>>>> to install the updates.