Installing a second instance of Windows; any known problems?

Here's a straight-forward question:

Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second instance
of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?

Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I tried a
repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck in
the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
recovery console; none of which has worked.

SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows (I'd
prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder on the
same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).

I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the CD
won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files should be
in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to make a
bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs I'm
using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but not the
folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).

SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows XP-64 by
installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a virus /
trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any XP-64
registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows installation.

Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.

My personal approach would be to Rename the Windows folder and the Documents
and Settings folder for your current install, then let your new install
create the new Windows and Documents folders.


"Techead" <> wrote in message
news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
> Here's a straight-forward question:
>
> Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> instance
> of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>
> Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
> months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I tried a
> repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck in
> the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
> respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
> recovery console; none of which has worked.
>
> SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
> (I'd
> prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder on
> the
> same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>
> I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the CD
> won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files should
> be
> in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to make a
> bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
> I'm
> using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but not
> the
> folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>
> SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows XP-64
> by
> installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a virus
> /
> trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
> XP-64
> registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows installation.
>
> Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.

Hi, Techead.

Have you tried an in-place upgrade, also known as a repair install or a
reinstallation, as described in this KB article:

How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341

This will completely reinstall WinXP x64 (and take just about as long), but
will preserve your installed applications and data.

> Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> instance
> of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?

Are you saying that your first installation is in C:\WinNT? Or that you
will create that folder alongside C:\Windows, which holds WinXP x64? As you
probably know, the default name for the WinXP folder is \Windows EXCEPT when
WinXP is installed as an upgrade from Win2K or WinNT4, in which case the
prior name (\WinNT) is retained. But there is no upgrade path to x64 from
prior Windows versions, so I'm surprised to see that folder name with WinXP
x64. Whatever foldername now holds WinXP x64 should survive the in-place
upgrade.

As you also know, a second installation into the same volume is NOT
recommended. If you do such a second installation, you should fix your
existing problem as soon as possible, then boot into either installation and
delete the other's boot folder.

You can't simply rename or delete your Boot Folder while booted into it, of
course, because WinXP won't let you. But if you have a second installation
and boot into that, then the first installation's Boot Folder is "just
another folder" to that second installation and you can do pretty much
anything you want with it. I'm not saying that you SHOULD, just that you
CAN.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP

"Techead" <> wrote in message
news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
> Here's a straight-forward question:
>
> Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> instance
> of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>
> Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
> months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I tried a
> repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck in
> the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
> respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
> recovery console; none of which has worked.
>
> SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
> (I'd
> prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder on
> the
> same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>
> I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the CD
> won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files should
> be
> in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to make a
> bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
> I'm
> using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but not
> the
> folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>
> SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows XP-64
> by
> installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a virus
> /
> trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
> XP-64
> registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows installation.
>
> Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.

RC:

Allow me to reiterate:

I have a C:\Windows folder that contains a defective XP-64 build; the
in-line repair has brought me to a point where the process freezes the PC
during the drivers load process (Windows repair will complete within 37
minutes). No other standard methods are working. My only resolve is to either
install a 2nd instance of 64 into a c:\winnt folder (which will be created by
a second instance install), or, buy a new HD and install it there.

So, my question was; will the second instal in the c:\winnt folder cause any
harm tomy c:windows installation? I ask this because as som as I boot to the
new instalation, I want to clean-up the 1st installation and return to it;
100+ ap's are installed and config'ed, so I don't want to start-out fresh.

I have concluded from the many replies that I received that this method is
acceptable.

thanx!

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Techead.
>
> Have you tried an in-place upgrade, also known as a repair install or a
> reinstallation, as described in this KB article:
>
> How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341
>
> This will completely reinstall WinXP x64 (and take just about as long), but
> will preserve your installed applications and data.
>
> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> > instance
> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>
> Are you saying that your first installation is in C:\WinNT? Or that you
> will create that folder alongside C:\Windows, which holds WinXP x64? As you
> probably know, the default name for the WinXP folder is \Windows EXCEPT when
> WinXP is installed as an upgrade from Win2K or WinNT4, in which case the
> prior name (\WinNT) is retained. But there is no upgrade path to x64 from
> prior Windows versions, so I'm surprised to see that folder name with WinXP
> x64. Whatever foldername now holds WinXP x64 should survive the in-place
> upgrade.
>
> As you also know, a second installation into the same volume is NOT
> recommended. If you do such a second installation, you should fix your
> existing problem as soon as possible, then boot into either installation and
> delete the other's boot folder.
>
> You can't simply rename or delete your Boot Folder while booted into it, of
> course, because WinXP won't let you. But if you have a second installation
> and boot into that, then the first installation's Boot Folder is "just
> another folder" to that second installation and you can do pretty much
> anything you want with it. I'm not saying that you SHOULD, just that you
> CAN.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
>
> "Techead" <> wrote in message
> news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
> > Here's a straight-forward question:
> >
> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> > instance
> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
> >
> > Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
> > months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I tried a
> > repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck in
> > the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
> > respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
> > recovery console; none of which has worked.
> >
> > SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
> > (I'd
> > prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder on
> > the
> > same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
> >
> > I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the CD
> > won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files should
> > be
> > in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to make a
> > bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
> > I'm
> > using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but not
> > the
> > folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
> >
> > SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows XP-64
> > by
> > installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a virus
> > /
> > trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
> > XP-64
> > registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows installation.
> >
> > Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.
>
>

If you have another computer and an external hard drive enclosure available
you can pull your files off by temporarily mounting the drive in the
enclosure and attaching it to the other computer.

"Techead" <> wrote in message
newsEFB395D-1BC3-4B0A-B3DE-...
> RC:
>
> Allow me to reiterate:
>
> I have a C:\Windows folder that contains a defective XP-64 build; the
> in-line repair has brought me to a point where the process freezes the PC
> during the drivers load process (Windows repair will complete within 37
> minutes). No other standard methods are working. My only resolve is to
> either
> install a 2nd instance of 64 into a c:\winnt folder (which will be created
> by
> a second instance install), or, buy a new HD and install it there.
>
> So, my question was; will the second instal in the c:\winnt folder cause
> any
> harm tomy c:windows installation? I ask this because as som as I boot to
> the
> new instalation, I want to clean-up the 1st installation and return to it;
> 100+ ap's are installed and config'ed, so I don't want to start-out fresh.
>
> I have concluded from the many replies that I received that this method is
> acceptable.
>
> thanx!
>
> "R. C. White" wrote:
>
>> Hi, Techead.
>>
>> Have you tried an in-place upgrade, also known as a repair install or a
>> reinstallation, as described in this KB article:
>>
>> How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341
>>
>> This will completely reinstall WinXP x64 (and take just about as long),
>> but
>> will preserve your installed applications and data.
>>
>> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
>> > instance
>> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>>
>> Are you saying that your first installation is in C:\WinNT? Or that you
>> will create that folder alongside C:\Windows, which holds WinXP x64? As
>> you
>> probably know, the default name for the WinXP folder is \Windows EXCEPT
>> when
>> WinXP is installed as an upgrade from Win2K or WinNT4, in which case the
>> prior name (\WinNT) is retained. But there is no upgrade path to x64
>> from
>> prior Windows versions, so I'm surprised to see that folder name with
>> WinXP
>> x64. Whatever foldername now holds WinXP x64 should survive the in-place
>> upgrade.
>>
>> As you also know, a second installation into the same volume is NOT
>> recommended. If you do such a second installation, you should fix your
>> existing problem as soon as possible, then boot into either installation
>> and
>> delete the other's boot folder.
>>
>> You can't simply rename or delete your Boot Folder while booted into it,
>> of
>> course, because WinXP won't let you. But if you have a second
>> installation
>> and boot into that, then the first installation's Boot Folder is "just
>> another folder" to that second installation and you can do pretty much
>> anything you want with it. I'm not saying that you SHOULD, just that you
>> CAN.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>>
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>
>> "Techead" <> wrote in message
>> news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
>> > Here's a straight-forward question:
>> >
>> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
>> > instance
>> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>> >
>> > Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
>> > months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I
>> > tried a
>> > repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck
>> > in
>> > the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
>> > respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
>> > recovery console; none of which has worked.
>> >
>> > SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
>> > (I'd
>> > prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder
>> > on
>> > the
>> > same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>> >
>> > I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the
>> > CD
>> > won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files
>> > should
>> > be
>> > in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to
>> > make a
>> > bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
>> > I'm
>> > using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but
>> > not
>> > the
>> > folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>> >
>> > SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows
>> > XP-64
>> > by
>> > installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a
>> > virus
>> > /
>> > trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
>> > XP-64
>> > registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows
>> > installation.
>> >
>> > Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.
>>
>>

I've done it with XP Pro x64... no problems, but you have to re-install apps
again to new Win folder. That being said, it's FAR from the ideal
solution... And yes, I would re-name the original Win directory...

"Techead" <> wrote in message
news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
> Here's a straight-forward question:
>
> Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
instance
> of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>
> Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
> months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I tried a
> repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck in
> the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
> respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
> recovery console; none of which has worked.
>
> SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
(I'd
> prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder on
the
> same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>
> I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the CD
> won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files should
be
> in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to make a
> bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
I'm
> using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but not
the
> folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>
> SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows XP-64
by
> installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a virus
/
> trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
XP-64
> registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows installation.
>
> Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.

Hi, Techead.

Inconsistent terminology may getting in the way of clear communication here.
:^{

By "in-line repair", do you mean the "in-place upgrade"? It sounds like you
do, but then you use the phrase "Windows repair will complete...", rather
than the expected "Windows installation..."

That KB article 315341 confuses many people. Using Method 2, after booting
from the WinXP CD-ROM, the first menu offers to Repair your Windows
installation. DO NOT press "R" at this point to accept this offer. "Press
ENTER to set up Windows XP." Agree to the EULA, then press "R" in Step 5.

It appears you have done this to get to the "37 minutes" milestone. How
long have you waited here? That "37 minutes" (and several later milestones)
are often waayy off! You might need to wait an hour or more. If you DO
abort the installation, it will partially remember where you were. That is,
you'll probably have to go through all the previous steps to get to this
point again, but Setup should remember the many drivers that it has already
tried and continue trying the remaining ones. But there are no guarantees
here. I've had a variety of experiences from this point, not all good. :>(

You've mentioned Bart's PE, Linux and some other tools. I've heard good
things about these, but I've never tried them at all and can't comment on
what they might have done to you or for you.

Depending on how valuable your files on that first HD are to you, your best
bet (and cheapest, if you value your time) might be to install a second HD
as secondary. Boot from the WinXP CD and tell Setup to clean install there.
Then boot into that copy of WinXP and use it to explore and repair your
original. That's how I first got introduced to the idea of a "parallel
installation", based on recommendations in a newsgroup. Once I saw the
benefits of dual-booting, I was hooked and have always had at least two
copies of Windows available for the past decade or so. For instructions,
see this page from the WinXP Resource Kit online:
Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...b_tol_namp.asp

These RK URLs don't always go directly to the page I have in mind. Within
the RK, the path is:
Welcome > Part VI System Troubleshooting > Ch 28 Troubleshooting Startup >
Following a Process for Startup and Recovery

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP

"Techead" <> wrote in message
newsEFB395D-1BC3-4B0A-B3DE-...
> RC:
>
> Allow me to reiterate:
>
> I have a C:\Windows folder that contains a defective XP-64 build; the
> in-line repair has brought me to a point where the process freezes the PC
> during the drivers load process (Windows repair will complete within 37
> minutes). No other standard methods are working. My only resolve is to
> either
> install a 2nd instance of 64 into a c:\winnt folder (which will be created
> by
> a second instance install), or, buy a new HD and install it there.
>
> So, my question was; will the second instal in the c:\winnt folder cause
> any
> harm tomy c:windows installation? I ask this because as som as I boot to
> the
> new instalation, I want to clean-up the 1st installation and return to it;
> 100+ ap's are installed and config'ed, so I don't want to start-out fresh.
>
> I have concluded from the many replies that I received that this method is
> acceptable.
>
> thanx!
>
> "R. C. White" wrote:
>
>> Hi, Techead.
>>
>> Have you tried an in-place upgrade, also known as a repair install or a
>> reinstallation, as described in this KB article:
>>
>> How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341
>>
>> This will completely reinstall WinXP x64 (and take just about as long),
>> but
>> will preserve your installed applications and data.
>>
>> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
>> > instance
>> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>>
>> Are you saying that your first installation is in C:\WinNT? Or that you
>> will create that folder alongside C:\Windows, which holds WinXP x64? As
>> you
>> probably know, the default name for the WinXP folder is \Windows EXCEPT
>> when
>> WinXP is installed as an upgrade from Win2K or WinNT4, in which case the
>> prior name (\WinNT) is retained. But there is no upgrade path to x64
>> from
>> prior Windows versions, so I'm surprised to see that folder name with
>> WinXP
>> x64. Whatever foldername now holds WinXP x64 should survive the in-place
>> upgrade.
>>
>> As you also know, a second installation into the same volume is NOT
>> recommended. If you do such a second installation, you should fix your
>> existing problem as soon as possible, then boot into either installation
>> and
>> delete the other's boot folder.
>>
>> You can't simply rename or delete your Boot Folder while booted into it,
>> of
>> course, because WinXP won't let you. But if you have a second
>> installation
>> and boot into that, then the first installation's Boot Folder is "just
>> another folder" to that second installation and you can do pretty much
>> anything you want with it. I'm not saying that you SHOULD, just that you
>> CAN.
>>
>> RC
>>
>> "Techead" <> wrote in message
>> news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
>> > Here's a straight-forward question:
>> >
>> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
>> > instance
>> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>> >
>> > Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
>> > months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I
>> > tried a
>> > repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck
>> > in
>> > the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
>> > respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
>> > recovery console; none of which has worked.
>> >
>> > SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
>> > (I'd
>> > prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder
>> > on
>> > the
>> > same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>> >
>> > I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the
>> > CD
>> > won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files
>> > should
>> > be
>> > in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to
>> > make a
>> > bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
>> > I'm
>> > using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but
>> > not
>> > the
>> > folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>> >
>> > SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows
>> > XP-64
>> > by
>> > installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a
>> > virus
>> > /
>> > trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
>> > XP-64
>> > registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows
>> > installation.
>> >
>> > Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.

Techead,

My comments and suggestions:

1. If you install the second installtion in a different directory then
all applications have to be installed again as somebody else already
metiond.
2. During OS installation in my experience, the process sometimes
appears standing still for five minutes or more.
3. If you conclued that in-place upgrade or repair installation can not
be done, then there are two options:
a. Get disk utility as Partition Magic for example, create another
primary partition and install there.
b. Get another physical hard drive to make the second installtion there.
My preference is a. because it is a good idea to make a second
installtion of OS for system maintenace purpose as somebody else in this
thread already mentioned.

Kaz

Techead wrote:
> Here's a straight-forward question:
>
> Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second instance
> of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>
> Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
> months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I tried a
> repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck in
> the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
> respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
> recovery console; none of which has worked.
>
> SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows (I'd
> prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder on the
> same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>
> I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the CD
> won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files should be
> in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to make a
> bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs I'm
> using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but not the
> folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>
> SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows XP-64 by
> installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a virus /
> trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any XP-64
> registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows installation.
>
> Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.

Are you sure it is 37 and not 34 minutes? There is a known "34-minute" bug.
Of course, in x64 it might well be 37 minutes. Anyway, I suspect your
problem relates to:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828267/en-us

In any case, it is probably hardware related. Disconnect everything you do
not absolutely need to get the installation done.

"Techead" <> wrote in message
newsEFB395D-1BC3-4B0A-B3DE-...
> RC:
>
> Allow me to reiterate:
>
> I have a C:\Windows folder that contains a defective XP-64 build; the
> in-line repair has brought me to a point where the process freezes the PC
> during the drivers load process (Windows repair will complete within 37
> minutes). No other standard methods are working. My only resolve is to
> either
> install a 2nd instance of 64 into a c:\winnt folder (which will be created
> by
> a second instance install), or, buy a new HD and install it there.
>
> So, my question was; will the second instal in the c:\winnt folder cause
> any
> harm tomy c:windows installation? I ask this because as som as I boot to
> the
> new instalation, I want to clean-up the 1st installation and return to it;
> 100+ ap's are installed and config'ed, so I don't want to start-out fresh.
>
> I have concluded from the many replies that I received that this method is
> acceptable.
>
> thanx!
>
> "R. C. White" wrote:
>
>> Hi, Techead.
>>
>> Have you tried an in-place upgrade, also known as a repair install or a
>> reinstallation, as described in this KB article:
>>
>> How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341
>>
>> This will completely reinstall WinXP x64 (and take just about as long),
>> but
>> will preserve your installed applications and data.
>>
>> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
>> > instance
>> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>>
>> Are you saying that your first installation is in C:\WinNT? Or that you
>> will create that folder alongside C:\Windows, which holds WinXP x64? As
>> you
>> probably know, the default name for the WinXP folder is \Windows EXCEPT
>> when
>> WinXP is installed as an upgrade from Win2K or WinNT4, in which case the
>> prior name (\WinNT) is retained. But there is no upgrade path to x64
>> from
>> prior Windows versions, so I'm surprised to see that folder name with
>> WinXP
>> x64. Whatever foldername now holds WinXP x64 should survive the in-place
>> upgrade.
>>
>> As you also know, a second installation into the same volume is NOT
>> recommended. If you do such a second installation, you should fix your
>> existing problem as soon as possible, then boot into either installation
>> and
>> delete the other's boot folder.
>>
>> You can't simply rename or delete your Boot Folder while booted into it,
>> of
>> course, because WinXP won't let you. But if you have a second
>> installation
>> and boot into that, then the first installation's Boot Folder is "just
>> another folder" to that second installation and you can do pretty much
>> anything you want with it. I'm not saying that you SHOULD, just that you
>> CAN.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>>
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>
>> "Techead" <> wrote in message
>> news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
>> > Here's a straight-forward question:
>> >
>> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
>> > instance
>> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
>> >
>> > Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
>> > months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I
>> > tried a
>> > repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck
>> > in
>> > the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
>> > respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
>> > recovery console; none of which has worked.
>> >
>> > SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
>> > (I'd
>> > prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder
>> > on
>> > the
>> > same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
>> >
>> > I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the
>> > CD
>> > won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files
>> > should
>> > be
>> > in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to
>> > make a
>> > bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
>> > I'm
>> > using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but
>> > not
>> > the
>> > folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
>> >
>> > SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows
>> > XP-64
>> > by
>> > installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a
>> > virus
>> > /
>> > trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
>> > XP-64
>> > registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows
>> > installation.
>> >
>> > Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.
>>
>>

Guys:

I was able to manually grab the system restore files (system, sam, software,
security, and default) from the C:\Windows\repair folder and place them into
the system32\config folder (replacing the current files) while I was
booted-up in C:\WINNT. I then attempted to boot with htese files replaced; I
got the splash screen for 2 minutes, then it freezes!

So, then I figured, why not try the in-place upgrade again (the CD calls it
a "repair" of an existing installation). I tried this technique 3 times
(multiple attempts were often required in Win-2K-Pro). This time, I was able
to get past the "Windows installation will complete within 37 minutes;
instaling devices" section. The process completed and the system rebooted.
Now, I get the spalsh screen for a minute, then thescreen goes black and
stays there!!!

I don't get it; I grabbed the (system, sam, software, security, and default)
files from a (snapshot) date back in early December; a week or so before my
system crashed. I should have been able tojust boot-up directly from there,
right? If not, then the "in-line repair / upgrade" should have worked, right?

So, why does the splash screen go black after 1-2 minutes and I get nothing???

I also tried safe mode after doing a CD-repair; the "multi-disk-0" text
scrolls down through the drivers being instaled and then that screen freezes
also! How strange. Yet, If I boot to the new instance of Windows in C:\WINNT;
everything seems to work well.

Anyone got any ideas?

Barry


"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Techead.
>
> Inconsistent terminology may getting in the way of clear communication here.
> :^{
>
> By "in-line repair", do you mean the "in-place upgrade"? It sounds like you
> do, but then you use the phrase "Windows repair will complete...", rather
> than the expected "Windows installation..."
>
> That KB article 315341 confuses many people. Using Method 2, after booting
> from the WinXP CD-ROM, the first menu offers to Repair your Windows
> installation. DO NOT press "R" at this point to accept this offer. "Press
> ENTER to set up Windows XP." Agree to the EULA, then press "R" in Step 5.
>
> It appears you have done this to get to the "37 minutes" milestone. How
> long have you waited here? That "37 minutes" (and several later milestones)
> are often waayy off! You might need to wait an hour or more. If you DO
> abort the installation, it will partially remember where you were. That is,
> you'll probably have to go through all the previous steps to get to this
> point again, but Setup should remember the many drivers that it has already
> tried and continue trying the remaining ones. But there are no guarantees
> here. I've had a variety of experiences from this point, not all good. :>(
>
> You've mentioned Bart's PE, Linux and some other tools. I've heard good
> things about these, but I've never tried them at all and can't comment on
> what they might have done to you or for you.
>
> Depending on how valuable your files on that first HD are to you, your best
> bet (and cheapest, if you value your time) might be to install a second HD
> as secondary. Boot from the WinXP CD and tell Setup to clean install there.
> Then boot into that copy of WinXP and use it to explore and repair your
> original. That's how I first got introduced to the idea of a "parallel
> installation", based on recommendations in a newsgroup. Once I saw the
> benefits of dual-booting, I was hooked and have always had at least two
> copies of Windows available for the past decade or so. For instructions,
> see this page from the WinXP Resource Kit online:
> Performing a Parallel Windows XP Professional Installation
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...b_tol_namp.asp
>
> These RK URLs don't always go directly to the page I have in mind. Within
> the RK, the path is:
> Welcome > Part VI System Troubleshooting > Ch 28 Troubleshooting Startup >
> Following a Process for Startup and Recovery
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
>
> "Techead" <> wrote in message
> newsEFB395D-1BC3-4B0A-B3DE-...
> > RC:
> >
> > Allow me to reiterate:
> >
> > I have a C:\Windows folder that contains a defective XP-64 build; the
> > in-line repair has brought me to a point where the process freezes the PC
> > during the drivers load process (Windows repair will complete within 37
> > minutes). No other standard methods are working. My only resolve is to
> > either
> > install a 2nd instance of 64 into a c:\winnt folder (which will be created
> > by
> > a second instance install), or, buy a new HD and install it there.
> >
> > So, my question was; will the second instal in the c:\winnt folder cause
> > any
> > harm tomy c:windows installation? I ask this because as som as I boot to
> > the
> > new instalation, I want to clean-up the 1st installation and return to it;
> > 100+ ap's are installed and config'ed, so I don't want to start-out fresh.
> >
> > I have concluded from the many replies that I received that this method is
> > acceptable.
> >
> > thanx!
> >
> > "R. C. White" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, Techead.
> >>
> >> Have you tried an in-place upgrade, also known as a repair install or a
> >> reinstallation, as described in this KB article:
> >>
> >> How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341
> >>
> >> This will completely reinstall WinXP x64 (and take just about as long),
> >> but
> >> will preserve your installed applications and data.
> >>
> >> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> >> > instance
> >> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
> >>
> >> Are you saying that your first installation is in C:\WinNT? Or that you
> >> will create that folder alongside C:\Windows, which holds WinXP x64? As
> >> you
> >> probably know, the default name for the WinXP folder is \Windows EXCEPT
> >> when
> >> WinXP is installed as an upgrade from Win2K or WinNT4, in which case the
> >> prior name (\WinNT) is retained. But there is no upgrade path to x64
> >> from
> >> prior Windows versions, so I'm surprised to see that folder name with
> >> WinXP
> >> x64. Whatever foldername now holds WinXP x64 should survive the in-place
> >> upgrade.
> >>
> >> As you also know, a second installation into the same volume is NOT
> >> recommended. If you do such a second installation, you should fix your
> >> existing problem as soon as possible, then boot into either installation
> >> and
> >> delete the other's boot folder.
> >>
> >> You can't simply rename or delete your Boot Folder while booted into it,
> >> of
> >> course, because WinXP won't let you. But if you have a second
> >> installation
> >> and boot into that, then the first installation's Boot Folder is "just
> >> another folder" to that second installation and you can do pretty much
> >> anything you want with it. I'm not saying that you SHOULD, just that you
> >> CAN.
> >>
> >> RC
> >>
> >> "Techead" <> wrote in message
> >> news:F82F9F1E-62D1-4B46-BE00-...
> >> > Here's a straight-forward question:
> >> >
> >> > Are there any known (or suspected) issues with installing a second
> >> > instance
> >> > of Windows (64-bit) into a C:\WINNT folder?
> >> >
> >> > Currently, I can't boot to my frst installation that was running for 6
> >> > months. I believe I encountered a virus that got past Avast, and I
> >> > tried a
> >> > repair-install before I tried a system recovery. Now my system is stuck
> >> > in
> >> > the repair mode and freezes while trying to load drivers. F8 does not
> >> > respond. The only thing I can do is boot from the CD and try things in
> >> > recovery console; none of which has worked.
> >> >
> >> > SO, I either buy another hard drive and install a fresh copy of windows
> >> > (I'd
> >> > prefer to avoid the expense), or perform an install into a new folder
> >> > on
> >> > the
> >> > same drive (for which I neglected to make multiple partitions ).
> >> >
> >> > I also tried to create a bootable CD with Nero via BART's PE, but the
> >> > CD
> >> > won't boot for some strange reason, and I can't confirm what files
> >> > should
> >> > be
> >> > in the root of the CD in order to make it bootable. I then tried to
> >> > make a
> >> > bootable-CD with Linux Defender, but the low quality shareware programs
> >> > I'm
> >> > using to burn the image only burned the files in the root folder, but
> >> > not
> >> > the
> >> > folders themselves (I'll try that process again after work today).
> >> >
> >> > SO, again, my question is; will I harm my first instance of Windows
> >> > XP-64
> >> > by
> >> > installing a second instance? If not, then I should be able to run a
> >> > virus
> >> > /
> >> > trojan / spyware / adware scanner and registry cleaner (are htere any
> >> > XP-64
> >> > registry cleaners?) in order to salvage my original WIndows
> >> > installation.
> >> >
> >> > Replies urgently needed; Thanx, in advance.
>
>