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      03-29-2011
I've seen a lot of weird Windows crashes in my day, but this one takes
the cake. Definitely different from your run-of-the-mill STOP error.

1. I'm clicking around in an Explorer window and go to sort some folder
by name. I think maybe Windows interpreted the click as hitting that
"slide show" button above it, based on what eventually happened, but
at the time all I knew was that the window didn't resort itself as
I'd wanted it to.

2. I go to sort it again and it works. I do a couple more things. Then
suddenly busy cursor and a moment later BAM! Blank black screen.
Alt-tab does nothing. Ctrl-tab does nothing. Esc does nothing. Ctrl-
esc does nothing. Ctrl-shift-esc does nothing. Nothing else does
anything either. I have a mouse pointer and it moves but there's
nothing to click on. Keyboard LEDs toggle but sluggishly and less than
100% reliably.

3. I'm sighing and reaching for the power switch when some other random
Explorer window appears abruptly, relieving the blankness. I click in
it figuring I might be able to use the menus to do *something* useful
but the damn thing is not responding.

4. A few seconds later, there's a lot of automatic-seeming flickering and
then my desktop comes back to normal -- almost.

5. For a little while, nothing responds, and then suddenly the start menu
flies open all by itself. After that, the system's back to normal --
almost. I cancel the unwanted menu and go about my business but soon
notice that several applications are being sluggish. Typing in
anything stops and then rushes to catch up, mouse clicks are ignored
only for half of them to randomly take effect several full seconds
later, and as if I'd just clicked even if something different is under
the pointer now, etc.

6. I pop up ProcessExplorer and see that Exploder is chewing up 30-40%
CPU.

7. I try to work on other things for a bit in the hopes that it will die
down after a little while longer, as the system recovers from ...
well, whatever the hell had happened to it to cause that blank black
screen earlier.

8. Eventually, I get fed up and switch to ProcessExplorer. Right click
... wait 3 seconds ... Properties. Wait 6 seconds. Dialog appears.
Click Threads. I want to know which specific Explorer thread is
responsible for the excessive CPU use; perhaps I can safely kill just
the one thread and not lose all my state in open Explorer window, and
perhaps the thread's name will give me a clue as to why Explorer is
spazzing, and perhaps that clue will let me despazz it, perhaps by
closing some window I wasn't using anyway or something.

9. Instead, BAM! Blank black screen again. From clicking the Threads tab
in the Properties dialog in ProcessExplorer this time.

10. Wait, what's this? One of my extensive collection of Kathy Ireland
wallpapers. WTF? Who ordered *that*?

11. Then another, then another. Some sort of slide show? I have a mobile
mouse pointer but no UI. Keyboard LEDs are stuck and ESC, clicking,
double clicking etc. don't work. I even get desperate enough to hit
F1. The one key I avoid is alt-F4, in case it goes straight through
the slideshow that has hijacked the screen and hits some application
I don't want to close.

Meanwhile my mouse pointer is a hand in a couple of random spots and
an I-beam in others, but an arrow most places, as if responding to
the invisible contours of an unseen window *beneath* the one that
nominally has the focus (the fullscreen app that's quite evidently
hijacked my display).

12. It's unresponsive, other than that the slideshow doesn't freeze, for
over five whole MINUTES. And then, suddenly, roughly as I was sighing
and reaching for the power switch, a control overlay with pause,
stop, etc. appears that should obviously have been there five minutes
ago (if you ignore the fact that the slideshow itself should NOT have
been).

13. Obviously, I hit stop. It takes a minute or so to take effect (natch)
but I've got my desktop back! Only ... what the **** is THIS ****?
Windows are cut off by screen edges and not where I left them. Other
stuff is wrong. The whole goddamn thing looks blurry and low res. And
there's a help window open, which was presumably the outcome of my
earlier F1 keypress, but wasn't very helpful since it stayed under the
"window" (if you can call it that) I needed help with and only became
visible after I no longer needed any ****ing help from it.

14. I pop up control panel, noting that the system seems more responsive
than earlier. I make a mental note to see if Explorer's CPU use is
down out of the stratosphere in a bit, while I delve down into the
display settings.

15. What the **** is this? 1024x768? How 1990s. Who the hell has been
monkeying with my settings WHILE I HAD NO WORKING UI?!

16. Obviously, I change it back, then alt-tab to ProcessExplorer. Er,
that is I TRY to alt-tab to ProcessExplorer. It's *gone*. Apparently
that click on the Threads tab of the Properties dialog for the
CPU-hogging Explorer process crashed the ****ing thing.

17. I restart it. Explorer's CPU use is normal (i.e., nearly nil).

18. WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF...


Here are a few useful pointers for Microsoft that might come in handy
when the time comes to start developing Windows 8:

1. One stray mouse click shouldn't render a machine nearly unusable for
FIFTEEN ****ING MINUTES, unless it somehow does a Start -> Shut Down
-> Yes, I Really Do Want To Shut Down, You Goddamn Machine, or
something else drastic from that menu such as Reboot.

2. Clicks in Explorer windows, particularly, should not initiate anything
that effectively grabs the whole system and locks you out of the UI
for ages without there being some way to CANCEL the bloody thing
quickly. In particular, Esc should cancel any fullscreen thingie
that's not a game or something (and even then Alt-Enter should de-
fullscreen the damned thing), and do it *promptly*.

3. Alt-Tab should always, always work, and alt-tab away from a fullscreen
app should always, always minimize it.

4. Ctrl-Esc should always pop the taskbar and start menu up, even over
fullscreen apps. Then you can always right-click the recalcitrant
fullscreen app's taskbar button and "Close" it, or at least use
Start -> Shut Down to get a graceful shutdown that saves all your
stuff instead of maybe having to resort to power-cycling your goddamn
box.

5. Ctrl-Shift-Esc should always start Task Manager, and if it's already
started, force it to the front and focused, and if there's a
fullscreen app that wants to stay in front of it, force always on top
back on in Task Manager.

6. Likewise, F1-induced help should not pop under a fullscreen app, but
appear over it, or the fullscreen app should de-fullscreen when you
hit F1 in it.

7. Anything fullscreen that should exhibit screensaver-like behavior
should disappear *instantly* if any key is pressed or the merest
*twitch* of the mouse occurs (unless it *instantly* pops up the
password prompt instead).

8. Exploder should not, under any circumstances, chew up significant CPU.
It is inherently an I/O-bound task.

9. Nothing should ever trigger something that, when eventually canceled
out of (somehow), will spontaneously *un*cancel itself five whole
minutes later.

10. The slideshow feature's controls should not wait ten minutes to become
available after the slideshow itself starts.

11. Things like ProcessExplorer shouldn't just disappear without so much
as a "This program has performed an illegal operation..." messagebox,
let alone an actual by-your-leave from the guy nominally in charge of
the ****ing box.

12. The desktop resolution should not spontaneously randomize itself. Nor
should fullscreen things like the slideshow hijack it but fail to put
it back the way it was on exit. Nor should they default to something
other than the desktop resolution the user set, at least not without
a damned good reason, again unless it's a game and the user has
explicit settings for that game that are dissimilar.

13. Mouse focus should always, always be on whatever opaque or translucent
(not 100% transparent) thing is frontmost beneath the pointer
position, and never be clicking or "feeling" *through* that to
something further down the window stack.

Put another way: Go down the video card's Z-buffer at the pixel
position of the hotpoint. First non-100%-transparent pixel down that
Z- buffer, find out what app it belongs to. That pixel of that app is
what should receive the mouse events until that Z-buffer changes or
the pointer moves.

Taking notes? Good. Maybe you'll manage not to **** up Windows 8 too
badly, then.
 
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      03-29-2011
If ever Microsoft did look in, they would have been asleep at 2.....I was.


"Type Hint" <> wrote in message
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> I've seen a lot of weird Windows crashes in my day, but this one takes
> the cake. Definitely different from your run-of-the-mill STOP error.
>
> 1. I'm clicking around in an Explorer window and go to sort some folder
> by name. I think maybe Windows interpreted the click as hitting that
> "slide show" button above it, based on what eventually happened, but
> at the time all I knew was that the window didn't resort itself as
> I'd wanted it to.
>
> 2. I go to sort it again and it works. I do a couple more things. Then
> suddenly busy cursor and a moment later BAM! Blank black screen.
> Alt-tab does nothing. Ctrl-tab does nothing. Esc does nothing. Ctrl-
> esc does nothing. Ctrl-shift-esc does nothing. Nothing else does
> anything either. I have a mouse pointer and it moves but there's
> nothing to click on. Keyboard LEDs toggle but sluggishly and less than
> 100% reliably.
>
> 3. I'm sighing and reaching for the power switch when some other random
> Explorer window appears abruptly, relieving the blankness. I click in
> it figuring I might be able to use the menus to do *something* useful
> but the damn thing is not responding.
>
> 4. A few seconds later, there's a lot of automatic-seeming flickering and
> then my desktop comes back to normal -- almost.
>
> 5. For a little while, nothing responds, and then suddenly the start menu
> flies open all by itself. After that, the system's back to normal --
> almost. I cancel the unwanted menu and go about my business but soon
> notice that several applications are being sluggish. Typing in
> anything stops and then rushes to catch up, mouse clicks are ignored
> only for half of them to randomly take effect several full seconds
> later, and as if I'd just clicked even if something different is under
> the pointer now, etc.
>
> 6. I pop up ProcessExplorer and see that Exploder is chewing up 30-40%
> CPU.
>
> 7. I try to work on other things for a bit in the hopes that it will die
> down after a little while longer, as the system recovers from ...
> well, whatever the hell had happened to it to cause that blank black
> screen earlier.
>
> 8. Eventually, I get fed up and switch to ProcessExplorer. Right click
> ... wait 3 seconds ... Properties. Wait 6 seconds. Dialog appears.
> Click Threads. I want to know which specific Explorer thread is
> responsible for the excessive CPU use; perhaps I can safely kill just
> the one thread and not lose all my state in open Explorer window, and
> perhaps the thread's name will give me a clue as to why Explorer is
> spazzing, and perhaps that clue will let me despazz it, perhaps by
> closing some window I wasn't using anyway or something.
>
> 9. Instead, BAM! Blank black screen again. From clicking the Threads tab
> in the Properties dialog in ProcessExplorer this time.
>
> 10. Wait, what's this? One of my extensive collection of Kathy Ireland
> wallpapers. WTF? Who ordered *that*?
>
> 11. Then another, then another. Some sort of slide show? I have a mobile
> mouse pointer but no UI. Keyboard LEDs are stuck and ESC, clicking,
> double clicking etc. don't work. I even get desperate enough to hit
> F1. The one key I avoid is alt-F4, in case it goes straight through
> the slideshow that has hijacked the screen and hits some application
> I don't want to close.
>
> Meanwhile my mouse pointer is a hand in a couple of random spots and
> an I-beam in others, but an arrow most places, as if responding to
> the invisible contours of an unseen window *beneath* the one that
> nominally has the focus (the fullscreen app that's quite evidently
> hijacked my display).
>
> 12. It's unresponsive, other than that the slideshow doesn't freeze, for
> over five whole MINUTES. And then, suddenly, roughly as I was sighing
> and reaching for the power switch, a control overlay with pause,
> stop, etc. appears that should obviously have been there five minutes
> ago (if you ignore the fact that the slideshow itself should NOT have
> been).
>
> 13. Obviously, I hit stop. It takes a minute or so to take effect (natch)
> but I've got my desktop back! Only ... what the **** is THIS ****?
> Windows are cut off by screen edges and not where I left them. Other
> stuff is wrong. The whole goddamn thing looks blurry and low res. And
> there's a help window open, which was presumably the outcome of my
> earlier F1 keypress, but wasn't very helpful since it stayed under the
> "window" (if you can call it that) I needed help with and only became
> visible after I no longer needed any ****ing help from it.
>
> 14. I pop up control panel, noting that the system seems more responsive
> than earlier. I make a mental note to see if Explorer's CPU use is
> down out of the stratosphere in a bit, while I delve down into the
> display settings.
>
> 15. What the **** is this? 1024x768? How 1990s. Who the hell has been
> monkeying with my settings WHILE I HAD NO WORKING UI?!
>
> 16. Obviously, I change it back, then alt-tab to ProcessExplorer. Er,
> that is I TRY to alt-tab to ProcessExplorer. It's *gone*. Apparently
> that click on the Threads tab of the Properties dialog for the
> CPU-hogging Explorer process crashed the ****ing thing.
>
> 17. I restart it. Explorer's CPU use is normal (i.e., nearly nil).
>
> 18. WTFWTFWTFWTFWTF...
>
>
> Here are a few useful pointers for Microsoft that might come in handy
> when the time comes to start developing Windows 8:
>
> 1. One stray mouse click shouldn't render a machine nearly unusable for
> FIFTEEN ****ING MINUTES, unless it somehow does a Start -> Shut Down
> -> Yes, I Really Do Want To Shut Down, You Goddamn Machine, or
> something else drastic from that menu such as Reboot.
>
> 2. Clicks in Explorer windows, particularly, should not initiate anything
> that effectively grabs the whole system and locks you out of the UI
> for ages without there being some way to CANCEL the bloody thing
> quickly. In particular, Esc should cancel any fullscreen thingie
> that's not a game or something (and even then Alt-Enter should de-
> fullscreen the damned thing), and do it *promptly*.
>
> 3. Alt-Tab should always, always work, and alt-tab away from a fullscreen
> app should always, always minimize it.
>
> 4. Ctrl-Esc should always pop the taskbar and start menu up, even over
> fullscreen apps. Then you can always right-click the recalcitrant
> fullscreen app's taskbar button and "Close" it, or at least use
> Start -> Shut Down to get a graceful shutdown that saves all your
> stuff instead of maybe having to resort to power-cycling your goddamn
> box.
>
> 5. Ctrl-Shift-Esc should always start Task Manager, and if it's already
> started, force it to the front and focused, and if there's a
> fullscreen app that wants to stay in front of it, force always on top
> back on in Task Manager.
>
> 6. Likewise, F1-induced help should not pop under a fullscreen app, but
> appear over it, or the fullscreen app should de-fullscreen when you
> hit F1 in it.
>
> 7. Anything fullscreen that should exhibit screensaver-like behavior
> should disappear *instantly* if any key is pressed or the merest
> *twitch* of the mouse occurs (unless it *instantly* pops up the
> password prompt instead).
>
> 8. Exploder should not, under any circumstances, chew up significant CPU.
> It is inherently an I/O-bound task.
>
> 9. Nothing should ever trigger something that, when eventually canceled
> out of (somehow), will spontaneously *un*cancel itself five whole
> minutes later.
>
> 10. The slideshow feature's controls should not wait ten minutes to become
> available after the slideshow itself starts.
>
> 11. Things like ProcessExplorer shouldn't just disappear without so much
> as a "This program has performed an illegal operation..." messagebox,
> let alone an actual by-your-leave from the guy nominally in charge of
> the ****ing box.
>
> 12. The desktop resolution should not spontaneously randomize itself. Nor
> should fullscreen things like the slideshow hijack it but fail to put
> it back the way it was on exit. Nor should they default to something
> other than the desktop resolution the user set, at least not without
> a damned good reason, again unless it's a game and the user has
> explicit settings for that game that are dissimilar.
>
> 13. Mouse focus should always, always be on whatever opaque or translucent
> (not 100% transparent) thing is frontmost beneath the pointer
> position, and never be clicking or "feeling" *through* that to
> something further down the window stack.
>
> Put another way: Go down the video card's Z-buffer at the pixel
> position of the hotpoint. First non-100%-transparent pixel down that
> Z- buffer, find out what app it belongs to. That pixel of that app is
> what should receive the mouse events until that Z-buffer changes or
> the pointer moves.
>
> Taking notes? Good. Maybe you'll manage not to **** up Windows 8 too
> badly, then.



 
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      03-30-2011
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:15:22 +0100, Jumbo Jack wrote:

> If ever Microsoft did look in, they would have been asleep at 2.....I
> was.


Oh yeah? Well at least I didn't top-post and fail to trim. And, based on
your presuming to speak for Microsoft while your most potent act is some
pseudonymous whining on Usenet, obviously the only thing "Jumbo" about
you is your inflated sense of self-importance.
 
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      03-30-2011
yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


"Type Hint" <> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:15:22 +0100, Jumbo Jack wrote:
>
>> If ever Microsoft did look in, they would have been asleep at 2.....I
>> was.

>
> Oh yeah? Well at least I didn't top-post and fail to trim. And, based on
> your presuming to speak for Microsoft while your most potent act is some
> pseudonymous whining on Usenet, obviously the only thing "Jumbo" about
> you is your inflated sense of self-importance.



 
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      04-04-2011
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:00:04 +0100, Jumbo Jack wrote:

> yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


Oh, were you laboring under the misapprehension that I was posting here
to amuse you? Sorry. I posted here to get information about some spastic
behavior from Windows that I hadn't seen before. I thought I'd made that
clear.
 
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      04-05-2011
seems to have sent others to
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> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:00:04 +0100, Jumbo Jack wrote:
>
>> yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

>
> Oh, were you laboring under the misapprehension that I was posting here
> to amuse you? Sorry. I posted here to get information about some spastic
> behavior from Windows that I hadn't seen before. I thought I'd made that
> clear.



 
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