Just my two cents

At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

Guess what! Microsoft will probably have yet another OS (with bugs)
out in a few years and the cycle will start all over. It's the
nature of the beast. If you don't like it SIMPLE don't buy Microsoft.
You can cry all you want but if you feel there needs to be change
hit them where they will listen THEIR WALLET not a damn usenet group
where the majority of people have ALREADY purchased an OS and are
just here for some helpful comments to a problem.

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool. I
especially don't need some anal retintive idiot to try and tell me
what bugs there are over and over again or think it's his/her duty to
do so. I can figure that out quite well on my own.
Thank You very much!

Remember just one thing, the path to the future is only going to be
made by taking baby steps and falling down a few times. I for one
welcome the changes being made in the software and hardware industry,
just look back and see how far we have come the past 20 years and
think where we would of been if Apple and Microsoft (or whom ever)
didn't push the envelope by designing Operating systems that didn't
demand more (or compete against one another). No matter how small the
changes or how visable they appear to be.

Now apply that same progress into the next 20 years. That my
friends is where I want to be!.

Does one plow ahead into the future and conquer the hurdles along the
way or play it safe and not push for change? I think it's just a
matter of choice.


--
The most reliable time to upgrade to a new Operating System is at the
end of its life cycle.

Dave

I have seen a LOT of new software releases since I started with computers in
the late 60's, almost all were improvements.
It's my opinion that they went backwards with the 'new' version of Windows.
If I wanted Fisher-Price & AOL combined, I could have gone to Toys-R-Us.

--
A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!

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"Dave Cox" <> wrote in message
news:Xns9978BAF3A4935dcoxgmailcom@69.28.186.121...
> At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
> stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
> when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
> with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
> what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
> groupies)
<snip>

I just wish they would have had some reasonable features with the UAC for starters.
I got a decent machine for Vista and it runs my flight simulators very well.
E6600 C2Duo 2.4 with 2 GB PC800 RAM and a 250GB SATA 300 drive with a GForce 7300 GT 512 MB SLI card.
I am pretty happy with the build once I got it stable.
The toughest thing I had to do was find a decent Anti Spyware and AntiVirus program that didn't bog the system to hell.
So far, Avast had the best AV system.

Now the UAC... everything is good or everything is bad.
There is no feature to set privileges for a program to stop warning me after I already clicked the icon.
The system needs an over haul for regular use, it isn't even out of an Alpha stage yet.
Custom settings that let me see the programs I have given permission to and how warnings occur.
A screen refresh every dang time is ridiculous.

"Dave Cox" <> wrote in message news:Xns9978BAF3A4935dcoxgmailcom@69.28.186.121...
At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

Guess what! Microsoft will probably have yet another OS (with bugs)
out in a few years and the cycle will start all over. It's the
nature of the beast. If you don't like it SIMPLE don't buy Microsoft.
You can cry all you want but if you feel there needs to be change
hit them where they will listen THEIR WALLET not a damn usenet group
where the majority of people have ALREADY purchased an OS and are
just here for some helpful comments to a problem.

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool. I
especially don't need some anal retintive idiot to try and tell me
what bugs there are over and over again or think it's his/her duty to
do so. I can figure that out quite well on my own.
Thank You very much!

Remember just one thing, the path to the future is only going to be
made by taking baby steps and falling down a few times. I for one
welcome the changes being made in the software and hardware industry,
just look back and see how far we have come the past 20 years and
think where we would of been if Apple and Microsoft (or whom ever)
didn't push the envelope by designing Operating systems that didn't
demand more (or compete against one another). No matter how small the
changes or how visable they appear to be.

Now apply that same progress into the next 20 years. That my
friends is where I want to be!.

Does one plow ahead into the future and conquer the hurdles along the
way or play it safe and not push for change? I think it's just a
matter of choice.


--
The most reliable time to upgrade to a new Operating System is at the
end of its life cycle.

Dave

"NotMe" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have seen a LOT of new software releases since I started with computers
>in the late 60's, almost all were improvements.
> It's my opinion that they went backwards with the 'new' version of
> Windows.
> If I wanted Fisher-Price & AOL combined, I could have gone to Toys-R-Us.
>

Sorry, you no more know what you're talking about than man in the Moon.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0905.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:32:44 -0600, "NotMe" <> wrote:

>I have seen a LOT of new software releases since I started with computers in
>the late 60's, almost all were improvements.
>It's my opinion that they went backwards with the 'new' version of Windows.
>If I wanted Fisher-Price & AOL combined, I could have gone to Toys-R-Us.
They didn't exactly go backwards. They've gone off on a wild tangent where
customers don't want to go.

NOD32 is a very good antivirus for Vista.
"Vigilante" <> wrote in message news:B519A8E3-EE62-431F-909D-...
I just wish they would have had some reasonable features with the UAC for starters.
I got a decent machine for Vista and it runs my flight simulators very well.
E6600 C2Duo 2.4 with 2 GB PC800 RAM and a 250GB SATA 300 drive with a GForce 7300 GT 512 MB SLI card.
I am pretty happy with the build once I got it stable.
The toughest thing I had to do was find a decent Anti Spyware and AntiVirus program that didn't bog the system to hell.
So far, Avast had the best AV system.

Now the UAC... everything is good or everything is bad.
There is no feature to set privileges for a program to stop warning me after I already clicked the icon.
The system needs an over haul for regular use, it isn't even out of an Alpha stage yet.
Custom settings that let me see the programs I have given permission to and how warnings occur.
A screen refresh every dang time is ridiculous.

"Dave Cox" <> wrote in message news:Xns9978BAF3A4935dcoxgmailcom@69.28.186.121...
At this point in time Vista is very demanding to perform as well (or
stable) as we have grown accustom to with XP. In 6 months to a year
when Hardware and software manufactures get onboard and up to speed
with Vista things will be much different then they are now. 98% of
what you hear in here now, will have faded away.(except for the Linux
groupies)

Guess what! Microsoft will probably have yet another OS (with bugs)
out in a few years and the cycle will start all over. It's the
nature of the beast. If you don't like it SIMPLE don't buy Microsoft.
You can cry all you want but if you feel there needs to be change
hit them where they will listen THEIR WALLET not a damn usenet group
where the majority of people have ALREADY purchased an OS and are
just here for some helpful comments to a problem.

Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool. I
especially don't need some anal retintive idiot to try and tell me
what bugs there are over and over again or think it's his/her duty to
do so. I can figure that out quite well on my own.
Thank You very much!

Remember just one thing, the path to the future is only going to be
made by taking baby steps and falling down a few times. I for one
welcome the changes being made in the software and hardware industry,
just look back and see how far we have come the past 20 years and
think where we would of been if Apple and Microsoft (or whom ever)
didn't push the envelope by designing Operating systems that didn't
demand more (or compete against one another). No matter how small the
changes or how visable they appear to be.

Now apply that same progress into the next 20 years. That my
friends is where I want to be!.

Does one plow ahead into the future and conquer the hurdles along the
way or play it safe and not push for change? I think it's just a
matter of choice.


--
The most reliable time to upgrade to a new Operating System is at the
end of its life cycle.

Dave

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:22:33 GMT, Dave Cox <> wrote:


>
>Are there bugs now that could be fixed? Of course there are! That's
>why we have updates and service packs. Anyone who ever buys a new OS
>no matter if It's from Microsoft, Apple or even the from the Linux
>crowd and hopes or expects it to be bug free is just a damn fool.

One big difference about Linux. It is FREE so I don't mind the bugs
but when I pay good money for an OS I expect better than Vista has
proven to be. I'm a gamer and no gamer in his right mind would use
Vista as a gaming OS. If I wanted the gaming functionality of OSX then
I would have bought OSX and not Vista. Microsoft is losing sight of
just who their customers are.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:20:32 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
> wrote:


>Sorry, you no more know what you're talking about than man in the Moon.
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0905.mspx
>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx
>
Um, you are linking to internal Microsoft documents. Of course they
are going to tout themselves up! I don't go into a stereo store that
only sells one amp and ask which is the best they have. And that
supposedly improved TCP stack required me to have to install a PCI
ethernet card because it was NFG with my onboard ethernet.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:36:12 -0400, "Vigilante"
<> wrote:



>So far, Avast had the best AV system.

Avast? I am currently using Avast on my Win2K system and AVG on Vista.
AVG is far less of a system slowdown AV thand Avast. To open Firefox
takes about three times as long as my PC running AVG. As the other
person said, Nod32 is suposed to be the best in that way though. Thing
is you shouldn't be running all that crap in the background when
gaming anyway. I have a .bat file that shuts all that shite down when
gaming and I disconnect from the internet anyway so it's very hard for
a virus to get me when I do game. Even when MP gaming I still don't
run AV or anti spyware in the background. I don't build higher end
systems to have it all hobbled by AV's etc.running in the background.
AV software causes a big hit on disk I/O performance. Some less than
others.

Gladiator <> wrote in
news::

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:20:32 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Sorry, you no more know what you're talking about than man in the
>>Moon.
>>
>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...ableguy/cg0905.
>>mspx http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx
>>
> Um, you are linking to internal Microsoft documents. Of course
> they are going to tout themselves up! I don't go into a stereo
> store that only sells one amp and ask which is the best they have.
> And that supposedly improved TCP stack required me to have to
> install a PCI ethernet card because it was NFG with my onboard
> ethernet.


Vistas implemintation of the next generation TCP/IP Stack is a
perfect example of what my original post is all about.

Yes you will see issues such as yours. As I said Microsoft and Apple
are driving the hardware manufactures to design and build better and
faster componets, most hardware manufactures are delevering new
products that have no issues with the new TCP/IP stack but there
are a few that still have issues. You really can't believe that
Microsoft or Apple should be restrained at just staying at this
level of technology where we are right now do you?

I applaud any company that is pushing technology to it's limits.

Has Microsoft done a lousy job of marketing and explaining to the
masses where they are headed and what they have in store for us and
what Vista really is under the hood and that there will be tons of
issues with people trying to get it to work with older hardware and
older software programs? Hell even newer programs (programing
software is a whole new ball game for it to take advantage Vistas
newer features) which you or I will never see.

Damn Right they have! you will never hear me argue that point.

If you ask me they truely F'ed up with such low bare minimum
requirements for Vista to run properly.


Vistas core structure isn't as f'ed up as most think. Think of it as
it was written to take advantage of tommorows hardware and software,
then you will realize why a lot of people are having issues with it
working with yesterdays tried and true hardware and software that
we all love dearly not to mention all the money we spent on it!

In the past I think that they were really bound to keeping
everything backwards compatable and we as users have come to expect
that from Microsoft and a lot of us are kinda shocked and hurt they
went on a whole new path with Vista which doesn't include being bound
to the whole backwards compatability issue. I see so many people
that just assumed that Vista was going to work with everything they
had just as it had in the past with prior versions. But come on!!!
we got to cut the chord to the past at sometime and move forward.

--
The most reliable time to upgrade to a new Operating System is at the
end of its life cycle.

Dave