Leopard and Vista - More alike than you might think

"When Vista was released the chorus of complaints and criticisms quickly
grew from a low hum to a near deafening roar."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=907

So is he saying leopard and vista are both crap?

So is he saying vista is also crap like leopard?

So is he saying that vista is crap?

Within weeks of Microsoft unleashing Vista on the buying public the issues
facing those making the switch from XP to Vista were clear and you could sum
them up in a few bullet points:
a.. UAC too intrusive
b.. Too many bugs
c.. System slow-downs
d.. Too many compatibility casualties
e.. Glitchy interface
f.. Baked-in vulnerabilities
g.. Install buggy and prone to crashing
h.. Systems that were rock-solid under the XP now falling over regularly


Hmmmmm SO TRUE.. however that list is too short.. you would really need a
list that has the length of all the pages of encyclopedia Britannica in
order to list all the vista bugs..

See the whole post here

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=907

I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD

My vista has NEVER crashed, COCKHEAD

XP still crashes, COCKHEAD

Get your facts right, COCKHEAD

> I’m guessing that the root cause for these problems echoes Vista too - a
> rush to get the OS out of the door. It makes me sad to say it but we as
> consumers are now having to put up with buying far too many flawed
> products because companies are rushing to get products out to market and
> leaving us (the poor saps stuck with the defective product) to road test
> it properly, I’ll bet that the road to fixes for these problems will be
> as long and rocky as the one for Vista. Something else that the two
> operating systems will have in common.

It's abolutely ironic, isn't? When Vista was still known as Longhorn,
and there where new articles on the progress of CTP, BETA and RC builds
almost every day, the one theme that was prevalent is "What's taking so
long. Microsoft is dragging their feet with Longhorn/Vista".

But now that it's been with us for almost a year, peoples attitudes
have changed. Now it's a crap, buggy and unstable OS because MS rushed
it to market?

I don't believe it.

Are we truly that fickle in our assesments? I mean, for pity's sake, it
took Microsoft the better part of 5 years to finally deliver Vista. And
we call it rushed?

Get with the program people, because you can't have it both ways.
Either Microsoft must take as long as is necessary to deliver a stable
product, and we must wait, or we can rush them and live with the
consequences. But don't ever, EVER put presure on anyone to deliver
anything too quickly and then have the gall to blame them when things go
wrong.

The current release schedule for Windows Seven is about 2 years.
Personally, I'd like to see Microsoft take yet another 5 years to
deliver the next version of Windows. Vista's current superb stability
and compatibility can be attributed to only that. A long development
cycle, with plenty of BETA testing and feedback.

That's all it takes.


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____________________________________
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you die, so shall I be Reborn...

- ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
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- 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
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Mick Murphy;506154 Wrote:
> I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD
>
> My vista has NEVER crashed, COCKHEAD
>
> XP still crashes, COCKHEAD
>
> Get your facts right, COCKHEAD

While I agree with your assesment that Vista doesn't crash as often as
does XP, I do not agree with your use of language.

Surely there must be a more polite way to get your point across without
resorting to colorful expletives?


--
dzomlija

____________________________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...

- ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
- AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- ASUS nVidia 6600
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
- 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/

dzomlija,

If you have had to read this fools posts for as long as most (usually due to
the usual name change)
you would probably end up in resorting to the same language.


"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Mick Murphy;506154 Wrote:
>> I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD
>>
>> My vista has NEVER crashed, COCKHEAD
>>
>> XP still crashes, COCKHEAD
>>
>> Get your facts right, COCKHEAD
>
> While I agree with your assesment that Vista doesn't crash as often as
> does XP, I do not agree with your use of language.
>
> Surely there must be a more polite way to get your point across without
> resorting to colorful expletives?
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/

There is a detail here you may be forgetting.. (or perhaps you might not
know)

The REAL Longhorn was ditched and a new plan was made for what longhorn (or
vista) was to be (this happened 2 years before vista was released). In other
words most of the best innovations that they wanted to get into vista was
ditched because they wouldn't ever finish at the pace they were going.

What we call vista now was actually rushed after they threw away most of the
work done for the real longhorn...
what they wanted now (the last 2 years) was to get SOMETHING OUT or ELSE
they would be in financial trouble.
2 years is enough time IF, you have a company that is very organized....

MS has grown so much, as a company even the smallest decisions need MONTHS
to be implemented...

I was reading about how a whole TEAM was needed for a small menu....

Read this story here and weep:
http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/20...-crapfest.html

All these problems is because MS the GIANT had very poor planning...

This is why MS will die if they don't reorganize and get some fresh minds
with new ideas in there...




"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>> I'm guessing that the root cause for these problems echoes Vista too - a
>> rush to get the OS out of the door. It makes me sad to say it but we as
>> consumers are now having to put up with buying far too many flawed
>> products because companies are rushing to get products out to market and
>> leaving us (the poor saps stuck with the defective product) to road test
>> it properly, I'll bet that the road to fixes for these problems will be
>> as long and rocky as the one for Vista. Something else that the two
>> operating systems will have in common.
>
> It's abolutely ironic, isn't? When Vista was still known as Longhorn,
> and there where new articles on the progress of CTP, BETA and RC builds
> almost every day, the one theme that was prevalent is "What's taking so
> long. Microsoft is dragging their feet with Longhorn/Vista".
>
> But now that it's been with us for almost a year, peoples attitudes
> have changed. Now it's a crap, buggy and unstable OS because MS rushed
> it to market?
>
> I don't believe it.
>
> Are we truly that fickle in our assesments? I mean, for pity's sake, it
> took Microsoft the better part of 5 years to finally deliver Vista. And
> we call it rushed?
>
> Get with the program people, because you can't have it both ways.
> Either Microsoft must take as long as is necessary to deliver a stable
> product, and we must wait, or we can rush them and live with the
> consequences. But don't ever, EVER put presure on anyone to deliver
> anything too quickly and then have the gall to blame them when things go
> wrong.
>
> The current release schedule for Windows Seven is about 2 years.
> Personally, I'd like to see Microsoft take yet another 5 years to
> deliver the next version of Windows. Vista's current superb stability
> and compatibility can be attributed to only that. A long development
> cycle, with plenty of BETA testing and feedback.
>
> That's all it takes.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007

glsj is right - the security nightmares that exploded around XP caused a
major shift in emphasis for Microsoft. They abandoned a tremendous amount
of work they had already done on Longhorn, and really did almost "start
again", using Server 2003 as a big contributor to the new Vista.

In reality, they wasted three years' work. Vista in its current form was
developed over a couple of years or so.

SteveT

glsj.dw;506184 Wrote:
> There is a detail here you may be forgetting.. (or perhaps you might not
> know)
>
> The REAL Longhorn was ditched and a new plan was made for what longhorn
> (or vista) was to be (this happened 2 years before vista was released).
> In other words most of the best innovations that they wanted to get into
> vista was ditched because they wouldn't ever finish at the pace they
> were going.
>
> What we call vista now was actually rushed after they threw away most
> of the work done for the real longhorn...
> what they wanted now (the last 2 years) was to get SOMETHING OUT or
> ELSE they would be in financial trouble.
> 2 years is enough time IF, you have a company that is very
> organized....
>
> MS has grown so much, as a company even the smallest decisions need
> MONTHS to be implemented...
>
> I was reading about how a whole TEAM was needed for a small menu....
>
> Read this story here and weep:
> 'moblog: The Windows Shutdown crapfest'
> (http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/20...-crapfest.html)
>
> All these problems is because MS the GIANT had very poor planning...
>
> This is why MS will die if they don't reorganize and get some fresh
> minds with new ideas in there...
>

I was a BETA tester for Longhorn from BETA 1, so I think I can speak
with confidence.

The Longhorn codebase was originally based on that of XP, but like
Steve also mentioned in his post, the myriad security flaws of XP made
Microsoft do a double-take and they abandoned almost 2 years of
development on Longhorn to begin almost from scratch, and instead worked
from the more robust codebase that was Windows Server 2003. This is
perhaps the most important reason why Vista took 5 years to be
delivered, in addition to the fact that they had to take a Server
Operating System and make it more mainstream.

As for Microsoft taking months to finalize a decision: So what if they
do? Would you prefer that someone has an idea, they implement it right
away (within days), and then YOU, the end user, ends up with a really
shitty product that was rushed? Microsoft (AND other major developers)
take months to make a decision because they first need to do proper
feasability studies and other research. This is why Microsoft has gotten
so big. Because they don't deliver rubbish, unlike Linux.

Has it never occured to you that Linux is rubbish because it is open
source, and just about every Tom, Dick or Harry can make their own
contributions, the majority of which is done simply "because it's cool",
and not because its needed? Personally, from a security standpoint
alone, I'd rather run a Microsoft OS where the code is kept strictly
top-secret, as opposed to one such as Linux where anyone can se the
source and find back-doors and loopholes in the code.

So do yourself a couple of favours, "GLSJ". First, get a proper nick
that doesn't short out our keyboards typing it. Second, get your facts
straight. The blog you refer to as "evidence" should be taken with a
grain of salt. Just because the schmo who wrote it says he used to work
for Microsoft doesn't make it true. Or have you verified his statements
by contacting Microsoft? And if you have, we'd love to see this
"evidence" also.

I try and keep an open mind when responding to posts on this forum, but
uninformed drivel such as yours really does not do my anger managemnt
skills any good at all.


--
dzomlija

____________________________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...

- ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
- AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- ASUS nVidia 6600
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
- 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/

=?Utf-8?B?TWljayBNdXJwaHk=?= <> wrote
in news:638B0A1C-5C46-48EA-A3D8-:

> I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD

Nice to meet you C*CKHEAD.

>
> XP still crashes, COCKHEAD

It must be a hardware or driver problem or something else on your PC, it
can't be XP.....since my XP never crashes. (That is the logic right ?)

The last time this install 'blue-screened' was when the CPU fan crapped out
8 months ago.

This story I have posted has been around for quite a long time.. this blog
is only one of its copies in cyberspace...

I have read discussions about it, and I have been persuaded it is true.

The way MS works has been show in many ways.. even if this particular story
was not true, I am sure MS works just like that.

It is not drivel... MS needs reorganization... history will tell you (if
you study it) that one of the biggest dangers with huge companies is
organization...

vistas bad quality is testament to this problem MS is having.

So much money talent and time wasted to give us what?
Vista?... LET ME LAUGH OUT LOUD WITH MS INCOMPETENCE!

As for Linux or MS....

We are talking about a process nor very disimilar to Darwin's natural
selection.
What system survives in the long run is not clear yet...

but I would say that an open system has more chances to survive than
windows... simply because its more versatile.

What is better or more secure does not always matter.... but when you can be
more versatile that is a winning point.

Linux can be run on a watch or a super computer cluster.. this flexibility
gives it many more chances to dominate in the long run.

Sorry... but Vista is a dinosaur that will go extinct. There is no doubt
about it. It must go.

Lets not talk about security... windows is a joke.




"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> glsj.dw;506184 Wrote:
>> There is a detail here you may be forgetting.. (or perhaps you might not
>> know)
>>
>> The REAL Longhorn was ditched and a new plan was made for what longhorn
>> (or vista) was to be (this happened 2 years before vista was released).
>> In other words most of the best innovations that they wanted to get into
>> vista was ditched because they wouldn't ever finish at the pace they
>> were going.
>>
>> What we call vista now was actually rushed after they threw away most
>> of the work done for the real longhorn...
>> what they wanted now (the last 2 years) was to get SOMETHING OUT or
>> ELSE they would be in financial trouble.
>> 2 years is enough time IF, you have a company that is very
>> organized....
>>
>> MS has grown so much, as a company even the smallest decisions need
>> MONTHS to be implemented...
>>
>> I was reading about how a whole TEAM was needed for a small menu....
>>
>> Read this story here and weep:
>> 'moblog: The Windows Shutdown crapfest'
>> (http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/20...-crapfest.html)
>>
>> All these problems is because MS the GIANT had very poor planning...
>>
>> This is why MS will die if they don't reorganize and get some fresh
>> minds with new ideas in there...
>>
>
> I was a BETA tester for Longhorn from BETA 1, so I think I can speak
> with confidence.
>
> The Longhorn codebase was originally based on that of XP, but like
> Steve also mentioned in his post, the myriad security flaws of XP made
> Microsoft do a double-take and they abandoned almost 2 years of
> development on Longhorn to begin almost from scratch, and instead worked
> from the more robust codebase that was Windows Server 2003. This is
> perhaps the most important reason why Vista took 5 years to be
> delivered, in addition to the fact that they had to take a Server
> Operating System and make it more mainstream.
>
> As for Microsoft taking months to finalize a decision: So what if they
> do? Would you prefer that someone has an idea, they implement it right
> away (within days), and then YOU, the end user, ends up with a really
> shitty product that was rushed? Microsoft (AND other major developers)
> take months to make a decision because they first need to do proper
> feasability studies and other research. This is why Microsoft has gotten
> so big. Because they don't deliver rubbish, unlike Linux.
>
> Has it never occured to you that Linux is rubbish because it is open
> source, and just about every Tom, Dick or Harry can make their own
> contributions, the majority of which is done simply "because it's cool",
> and not because its needed? Personally, from a security standpoint
> alone, I'd rather run a Microsoft OS where the code is kept strictly
> top-secret, as opposed to one such as Linux where anyone can se the
> source and find back-doors and loopholes in the code.
>
> So do yourself a couple of favours, "GLSJ". First, get a proper nick
> that doesn't short out our keyboards typing it. Second, get your facts
> straight. The blog you refer to as "evidence" should be taken with a
> grain of salt. Just because the schmo who wrote it says he used to work
> for Microsoft doesn't make it true. Or have you verified his statements
> by contacting Microsoft? And if you have, we'd love to see this
> "evidence" also.
>
> I try and keep an open mind when responding to posts on this forum, but
> uninformed drivel such as yours really does not do my anger managemnt
> skills any good at all.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/