License for Home Use

Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One Care
on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive with
Norton and with McAfee.

This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office 2007.
Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No market
competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount on
additional licenses for Vista.

Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home computers
at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we add
Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our three
home computers. We are evaluating this policy.

We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two more
licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.

--
Salmon, Idaho

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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

So what are you trying to say, Antivirus is better than the operating
system? Its about features here my friend. Live OneCare does a few things,
Vista and Office 2007 does many, many, many things. You are paying for
intellectual property and that is "per" machine. If you find the Standard,
SMB, Pro and higher SKUs of Office 2007 expensive, buy the Student and
Teacher edition which allows up to 3 installs.

I believe people still refuse to understand how computers work. Without
software, the machine is basically a shell, regardless of all the pretty
components. The operating system is critical to make your computer function
and thats just a fundamental part of the equation, you to take into account
device driver compatibility, application compatibility, user experience. So,
if Vista and Office cost a lot, thats simply because they deserve to be.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Calvin Leman" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
news:0FB915EB-512A-4198-8D6F-...
> Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One
> Care
> on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive
> with
> Norton and with McAfee.
>
> This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office 2007.
> Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No market
> competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount on
> additional licenses for Vista.
>
> Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home
> computers
> at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we
> add
> Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our
> three
> home computers. We are evaluating this policy.
>
> We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two more
> licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.
>
> --
> Salmon, Idaho
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

I thought all retail versions of Office allowed for two installs.
Technically, on one desktop and one laptop.
That requirement being absurd because it's totally
unenforceable.

I didn't know the Student and Teacher version allowed
for three installs. Are you sure?


-Michael

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> So what are you trying to say, Antivirus is better than the operating system? Its about
> features here my friend. Live OneCare does a few things, Vista and Office 2007 does many,
> many, many things. You are paying for intellectual property and that is "per" machine. If you
> find the Standard, SMB, Pro and higher SKUs of Office 2007 expensive, buy the Student and
> Teacher edition which allows up to 3 installs.
>
> I believe people still refuse to understand how computers work. Without software, the machine
> is basically a shell, regardless of all the pretty components. The operating system is
> critical to make your computer function and thats just a fundamental part of the equation,
> you to take into account device driver compatibility, application compatibility, user
> experience. So, if Vista and Office cost a lot, thats simply because they deserve to be.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> "Calvin Leman" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
> news:0FB915EB-512A-4198-8D6F-...
>> Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One Care
>> on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive with
>> Norton and with McAfee.
>>
>> This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office 2007.
>> Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No market
>> competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount on
>> additional licenses for Vista.
>>
>> Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home computers
>> at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we add
>> Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our three
>> home computers. We are evaluating this policy.
>>
>> We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two more
>> licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.
>>
>> --
>> Salmon, Idaho
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>
>

Well, yes, for all retail licenses, but I don't think its concurrent, yes, I
have Student and Teacher 2007, three licenses.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"MICHAEL" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>I thought all retail versions of Office allowed for two installs.
> Technically, on one desktop and one laptop.
> That requirement being absurd because it's totally
> unenforceable.
>
> I didn't know the Student and Teacher version allowed
> for three installs. Are you sure?
>
>
> -Michael
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> So what are you trying to say, Antivirus is better than the operating
>> system? Its about features here my friend. Live OneCare does a few
>> things, Vista and Office 2007 does many, many, many things. You are
>> paying for intellectual property and that is "per" machine. If you find
>> the Standard, SMB, Pro and higher SKUs of Office 2007 expensive, buy the
>> Student and Teacher edition which allows up to 3 installs.
>>
>> I believe people still refuse to understand how computers work. Without
>> software, the machine is basically a shell, regardless of all the pretty
>> components. The operating system is critical to make your computer
>> function and thats just a fundamental part of the equation, you to take
>> into account device driver compatibility, application compatibility, user
>> experience. So, if Vista and Office cost a lot, thats simply because they
>> deserve to be.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>> "Calvin Leman" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
>> news:0FB915EB-512A-4198-8D6F-...
>>> Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One
>>> Care
>>> on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive
>>> with
>>> Norton and with McAfee.
>>>
>>> This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office
>>> 2007.
>>> Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No
>>> market
>>> competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount
>>> on
>>> additional licenses for Vista.
>>>
>>> Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home
>>> computers
>>> at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we
>>> add
>>> Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our
>>> three
>>> home computers. We are evaluating this policy.
>>>
>>> We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two
>>> more
>>> licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Salmon, Idaho
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>
>>

Calvin Leman wrote:
> Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One Care
> on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive with
> Norton and with McAfee.
>
> This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office 2007.
> Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No market
> competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount on
> additional licenses for Vista.
>
> Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home computers
> at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we add
> Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our three
> home computers. We are evaluating this policy.
>
> We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two more
> licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.
>

We think that you should check out Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com It's free
and can installed on as many computers as you like. It comes with Open
Office. So, if you want to save $2000 dollars ...

In addition, Vista requires high end hardware so you may be saving some
money on not having to buy that as well.

The only drawback to Open Office is it has no Outlook equivalent and
Evolution (which also comes loaded with Ubuntu) isn't nearly as good as
Outlook.

Alias

MICHAEL wrote:
> I thought all retail versions of Office allowed for two installs.
> Technically, on one desktop and one laptop.
> That requirement being absurd because it's totally
> unenforceable.

Why isn't it enforceable? Activation can't tell the difference between a
lap top and a desktop?

> I didn't know the Student and Teacher version allowed
> for three installs. Are you sure?
>
>
> -Michael

Yeah, it's true but no Outlook or Access with the Student/Teacher version.

Alias

"Alias" <> wrote in message news:fic7f4$bmo$...
> MICHAEL wrote:
>> I thought all retail versions of Office allowed for two installs.
>> Technically, on one desktop and one laptop.
>> That requirement being absurd because it's totally
>> unenforceable.
>
> Why isn't it enforceable? Activation can't tell the difference between a
> lap top and a desktop?

Let me just say- if it can, it never has.

>> I didn't know the Student and Teacher version allowed
>> for three installs. Are you sure?

> Yeah, it's true but no Outlook or Access with the Student/Teacher version.

No Outlook? That's too bad.... I absolutely need Outlook, and for myself-
that is the biggest drawback in even thinking seriously about converting
full-time to Linux. As of now, there isn't any real comparison to Outlook...
Evolution doesn't cut it, and neither does running Office in a VM on some
Linux distro.


-Michael

How come the price of Chevy Malibu is more than a Cobalt when the production
costs are very similar? How come the same item at Neiman Marcus costs more
than at Wal-Mart? We live in a capitalist society. I wish the price price of
Windows was cheaper as well. I'm pretty sure it's priced to maximize profits
based on Microsoft's business model and our wishes don't enter into the
equation. How often we open our wallet does. If you don't like the way
something is priced look for an alternative. If enough people did the price
would come down. Linux is a viable alternative as is OS X. If you want
something changed you have to be proactive not reactive.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Calvin Leman" <.(donotspam)> wrote in message
news:0FB915EB-512A-4198-8D6F-...
> Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One
> Care
> on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive
> with
> Norton and with McAfee.
>
> This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office 2007.
> Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No market
> competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount on
> additional licenses for Vista.
>
> Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home
> computers
> at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we
> add
> Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our
> three
> home computers. We are evaluating this policy.
>
> We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two more
> licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.
>
> --
> Salmon, Idaho
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

"Alias" <> wrote in message news:fic7ae$bmo$...
> Calvin Leman wrote:
>> Microsoft policy allows 3 computers for about $50, for Window Live One Care
>> on three computers at home, for home use only. This price is competitive with
>> Norton and with McAfee.
>>
>> This 3-computer policy does not apply to Windows Vista or to Office 2007.
>> Microsoft has almost no competition with Vista or with Office. No market
>> competition, no 3-computer policy. Microsoft does offer a 10% discount on
>> additional licenses for Vista.
>>
>> Microsoft policy puts the cost of the operating system for 3 home computers
>> at about $1000 (shipping and sales tax), rather than about $300. If we add
>> Office 2007, our cost is nearly $2000 for Vista and for Office on our three
>> home computers. We are evaluating this policy.
>>
>> We think Microsoft should evaluate this policy. If we do not buy two more
>> licenses, Microsoft does not have two more sales.
>>
>
> We think that you should check out Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com It's free
> and can installed on as many computers as you like. It comes with Open
> Office. So, if you want to save $2000 dollars ...

Personally, I would suggest http://www.pclinuxos.com/

Although, I haven't tried the latest Ubuntu.

> In addition, Vista requires high end hardware so you may be saving some
> money on not having to buy that as well.

That's really not true. Vista does not require "high end" hardware.
Perhaps, for all the fru fru visuals. Having to install more RAM is a
definite possibility. But, even the latest Linux flavors are becoming
bigger memory users. There are a lot of graphic cards that can
handle Vista just fine and not really that expensive.

You and I are basically on the same page when it comes to the
concerns we share about WGA, WPA, and DRM... it's gone too far.

> The only drawback to Open Office is it has no Outlook equivalent and
> Evolution (which also comes loaded with Ubuntu) isn't nearly as good as
> Outlook.

I totally agree.

When I was using Thunderbird for newsgroups, I had you and Frank
blocked. I have since switched over to Windows Live Mail for newsgroups
and had not applied new filters. However, stalker Frank went right back
on the list almost immediately. He's such a waste of time, he adds nothing
of value to this group.... nothing. So far, I've enjoyed reading some of your
posts again.


Take care,

Michael

MICHAEL wrote:
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:fic7f4$bmo$...
>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>> I thought all retail versions of Office allowed for two installs.
>>> Technically, on one desktop and one laptop.
>>> That requirement being absurd because it's totally
>>> unenforceable.
>>
>> Why isn't it enforceable? Activation can't tell the difference between
>> a lap top and a desktop?
>
> Let me just say- if it can, it never has.

Thanks ;-)

>
>>> I didn't know the Student and Teacher version allowed
>>> for three installs. Are you sure?
>
>> Yeah, it's true but no Outlook or Access with the Student/Teacher
>> version.
>
> No Outlook? That's too bad.... I absolutely need Outlook, and for myself-
> that is the biggest drawback in even thinking seriously about converting
> full-time to Linux. As of now, there isn't any real comparison to
> Outlook...
> Evolution doesn't cut it, and neither does running Office in a VM on some
> Linux distro.
>
> -Michael

I agree with you. I surely hope Evolution *evolves* and becomes as good
as Outlook. Outlook and games are the only reasons I still have XP.

Alias