Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" <ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <bones4jo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news: ps.com...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
> >> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly support
> >> > and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others is simply
> >> > show
> >> > large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do not
> >> > have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave the head
> >> > manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said check it out .
> >> > that was all it took.
> >> > Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>
> >> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless the
> >> users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has pretty much
> >> become a footnote in history compared to what apple is doing with UNIX.
>
> >> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
> >> community.
>
> >> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>
> >> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
> >> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>
> >> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>
> >> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>
> >>http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>
> > Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
> > It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
> > version of Linux.
>
> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>
> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
> already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
>

Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
(and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.

wrote:

> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
> >
> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done so
> > already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely zero
> > mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
> >
>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.

yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
until they take this advice.

chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
hacking.

linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
and understood high quality computing.

linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.

-

ultimauw wrote:

> Maybe there is still hope yet,

Not for you. You're doomed to be stupid forever.

*plonk*

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>> >
>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
>> > continue to dominate.
>> >
>> >
>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
>> that it's been floating in for a while now.
>
> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
> until they take this advice.
>
> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
> hacking.
>
> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
> and understood high quality computing.
>
> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>

I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
server of any actual value.

That said, what do you think is happening? The efforts *are* consolidated.

All distributions use the same kernel.
The same desktop managers.
The same browers.
The same software.
The same e-mail software.
The same newsreaders.
The same everything.

The only main significant difference between any distributions is what
they come with out of the box. That's largely irrelevant.

So how is this not consolidated?

So redhat has different package management than ubuntu does. Big friggin
deal....they still use the same software and kernel.

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> On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" <ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <bones4jo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news: ps.com...
>>
>>
>>
[snips]>>
>> > Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful.
>> > It's two hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own
>> > version of Linux.
>>
>> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>>
>> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have done
>> so
>> already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has absolutely
>> zero
>> mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue to dominate.
>>
>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
> distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
> OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
> (and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
> dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
>

I don't agree entirely. Multiple distros means some degree of competition,
with no risk of another monopoly. There must be room for diversity.

The challenge is to keep this diversity without penalising people who just
want to use their computers (and who don't want/need to know how complicated
it is).

A constant feature of the history of personal computers is that the most
popular hardware and software architectures would never have become dominant
if technical excellence had been a even a minor criterion. This is perfectly
illustrated by posts to this NG, where Ubuntu is equated with Linux, simply
because it's proposed as the least worst alternative to Vista by a
particular hardware supplier (whose days are numbered if they don't start
treating their clients like real live people).

One approach to maintaining multiple Linux distros may be to arrange things
so volunteers could help provide distro-specific compilations on request.
Some kind of organisation would be needed so that software developers are
paid for their work.

Regards

chrisv wrote:
> ultimauw wrote:
>
> > Maybe there is still hope yet,
>
> Not for you. You're doomed to be stupid forever.
>
AWWWW Did I upset the little shillbot?

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:54:16 -0700, ultimauw wrote:

> On Oct 6, 4:19 pm, "Randy Oaks" <ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <bones4jo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news: ps.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 6, 3:47 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
>> >> Dean Plude <xenop...@charter.net> wrote:
>> >> > In my many years using linux I have come to know that to truly
>> >> > support and promote linux as I did with brunswick and many others
>> >> > is simply show
>> >> > large companies that there are choices in an OS and that they do
>> >> > not have to pay a fortune to get.I will never forget when I gave
>> >> > the head manufacturing engineer a Debian BO disk and simplly said
>> >> > check it out . that was all it took.
>> >> > Remember World Domination is our ultimate goal.
>>
>> >> Linux will never achieve anything close to world domination unless
>> >> the users unite and follow Apple's OSX direction. Now Linux has
>> >> pretty much become a footnote in history compared to what apple is
>> >> doing with UNIX.
>>
>> >> So unless that changes, it's a slow fade to black for the Linux
>> >> community.
>>
>> >> You guys have a chance, but you must "unite" - it's that simple.
>>
>> >> OSX is now about 9 times as large in the world, 6 years ago you guys
>> >> were neck and neck. What happened? No leadership is the answer.
>>
>> >> Within the next few weeks, OSX is going to be a CERTIFIED UNIX.
>>
>> >> Why isn't Linux up to this certification level?
>>
>> >>http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
>>
>> > Linux is far too fragmented to accomplish anything useful. It's two
>> > hundred thousand developers all trying to release their own version
>> > of Linux.
>>
>> Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>>
>> If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>> done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>> absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will continue
>> to dominate.
>>
>>
> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck that
> it's been floating in for a while now.

Your are missing the idea that the reason there are so many distros is
that many people want different things. You are missing the point that
many of the things added to or improved in one distro can be directly
added to another.



--
Rick

Stephan Rose wrote:

>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent.
>> Not good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>>
>>
> I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
> server of any actual value.

"Everyone", or just trolling idiots like Oxtard?

chrisv wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>>> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
>>> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent.
>>> Not good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.
>>>
>>>
>> I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
>> server of any actual value.
>
> "Everyone", or just trolling idiots like Oxtard?

"ultimauw" is not OxRetard

It is either flatfish or the "linux-sux" cretin
--
Most projects start out slowly -- and then sort of taper off.
-- Norman Augustine

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:16:30 -0600, Oxford wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> > Agreed. Linux is the classic case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
>> >
>> > If Linux were going to succeed in the consumer market it would have
>> > done so already. Now it's simply too-little, too-late as Linux has
>> > absolutely zero mindset with the consumer. OSX and Vista will
>> > continue to dominate.
>> >
>> >
>> Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
>> together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master distro.
>> If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and OSX
>> guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer (and
>> computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled dreck
>> that it's been floating in for a while now.
>
> yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
> one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
> until they take this advice.

And you have been told several times you are a cluesless twit. Who are
you to say someone can't but together a distro to satisfy a want or need
that isn't being met?

And you told ... THEM? Who? Did you think to go tell Shuttleworth to kill
off Ubuntu? No? Did you write Novell or Red Hat to tell them to kill
their distros? Did you email texstar to tell him to dump PCLinuxOS? Have
you noticed PCLOS is becoming one of the more popular distros, without
heavy advertising? Using your "system", I probably wouldn't be able to
use the distro and environment I have chosen.

>
> chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
> they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
> hacking.

I highly doubt the developers at Sun, IBM, Novell, Red Hat (to name a
very few) are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games
or hacking.

>
> linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
> UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
> and understood high quality computing.
>
> linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad.

No, you are sad.

> I thought at least they
> would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
> good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.

So Apple's at 6.4% now. What was their share in 1978. Let us know when it
gets back there.


--
Rick