http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/


New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
great minds think alike..
but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and that
they have ignored the
consumers opinion.

from that post

"I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their Community.
They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other way
around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do it.
Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants and
needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about your
average Home users. These people will help you build a better product if you
let them. I truly hope you let them.
Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
future at this point. Take heed. "


--
What people are REALLY saying about Vista:
http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007/..._windows_vista

50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free

On the Bridge! wrote:

> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
> great minds think alike..

CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen
this clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as
much more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example
of the bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his
opinion and get a following.
If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.
Frank

I have known Chris since 98 via the interest, and have watched his every
move closely

He is not a loser, he is a winner. Sure he is not the most hard core tech in
the world,
but he has other talents that he takes advantage of. He is good in
explaining tech stuff in a simple
manner so the average user can understand and take advantage of the
knowledge he shares.

That is a very positive trait.

The lockergnome newsletter wrote history... it was tremendously successful
and I would not
be surprised that he was one of the people who influenced the creation of
lots of similar
newsletters sites and blogs.

Its easy for you to come along and disregard a persons work, but the facts
is that many people benefit from his sites and information he provides over
the years.




"Frank" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok great minds think alike..
>
> CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen this
> clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as much
> more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example of the
> bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his opinion and
> get a following.
> If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.
> Frank

On the Bridge!;633267 Wrote:
> 'Windows Vista’s Rants ~ Chris Pirillo'
> (http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/)
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
> Ok
> great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
> that
> they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
> Community.
> They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other
> way
> around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
> something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do
> it.
> Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants
> and
> needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about
> your
> average Home users. These people will help you build a better product
> if you
> let them. I truly hope you let them.
> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and
> your
> future at this point. Take heed. "
>
>
> --
> What people are REALLY saying about Vista:
> http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007/..._windows_vista
>
> 50 Ways to leave your Vista....
>
> CHORUS:
>
> You just format the drive , Clive
> Get a New Mac , Jack
> Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
> Just get yourself free
> Boot from a *nix, Jix
> You don't need to discuss much
> Install XP, Lee
> And get yourself free

Actually, one of the reasons why Vista was delayed so much, was because
Microsoft spent a lot of time with their R&D department. Much of what we
see today in Vista is a direct result of the feedback received from both
corporate and home users alike.


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On the Bridge! wrote:
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
> great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and that
> they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their Community.
> They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other way
> around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
> something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do it.
> Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants and
> needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about your
> average Home users. These people will help you build a better product if you
> let them. I truly hope you let them.
> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
> future at this point. Take heed. "
>

That's what everyone else is doing now...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2077&tag=nl.e019

"...the U.S. delegation seems to have listened to companies like Google,
which said Microsoft was making a mockery of the process; to Sun, which
says Microsoft has broken the ISO process; and to the Linux Foundation,
which called the company’s arguments “ridiculous.”

Of course Microsoft’s competitors would howl, you might say. But we’re
not playing red state-blue state here. This is a consensus process. The
idea is we all agree, not that you out-vote me.

Which seems to have been Microsoft’s problem from the get-go. Laws may
be changed by majorities, but standards are things we’re all supposed to
agree on. That’s why proprietary, royalty-bearing standards are so
controversial in the first place.

The problem is not with the Microsoft technology. The problem is with
the Microsoft attitude, which seems eerily similar to what we’ve seen in
U.S. politics for a long time now. Despite all Microsoft’s claims to
have changed, the company remains a prisoner of its time.

And the times they are a-changin’. Even if Microsoft succeeds here, its
tide is going out."

--
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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
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>Much of what we
see today in Vista is a direct result of the feedback received from both
corporate and home users alike.


So users wanted a start menu that collapses upon itself, or an UAC thats in
their face 1000 times a day
or a defrag with no visual feedback or.. wait! The crap is so much.. I will
need days to list the stupid things that vista has.

NO these are only the STUPID BAD SOLUTIONS MS gave to the feedback and then
went ahead and implemenetd the solutions they thought were good *but were
stupid*.. they never asked
the very thing Chris is saying: Like here is what we are thinking of doing,
do you agree with it? LOL


Everything about vista shows its the most user unfriendly OS since win. 3.1
how can some people
actually like it, amazes me!


"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> On the Bridge!;633267 Wrote:
>> 'Windows Vista’s Rants ~ Chris Pirillo'
>> (http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/)
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok
>> great minds think alike..
>> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
>> that
>> they have ignored the
>> consumers opinion.
>>
>> from that post
>>
>> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
>> Community.
>> They need to value implementation over features, instead of the other
>> way
>> around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't show us
>> something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before you do
>> it.
>> Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community really wants
>> and
>> needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm talking about
>> your
>> average Home users. These people will help you build a better product
>> if you
>> let them. I truly hope you let them.
>> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and
>> your
>> future at this point. Take heed. "
>>
>>
>> --
>> What people are REALLY saying about Vista:
>> http://www.microsplot.com/news/2007/..._windows_vista
>>
>> 50 Ways to leave your Vista....
>>
>> CHORUS:
>>
>> You just format the drive , Clive
>> Get a New Mac , Jack
>> Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
>> Just get yourself free
>> Boot from a *nix, Jix
>> You don't need to discuss much
>> Install XP, Lee
>> And get yourself free
>
> Actually, one of the reasons why Vista was delayed so much, was because
> Microsoft spent a lot of time with their R&D department. Much of what we
> see today in Vista is a direct result of the feedback received from both
> corporate and home users alike.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> _____________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> -Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
> - AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis
> - 1207GB Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at:
> http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/e...zomlija/Venus/

On the Bridge! wrote:

> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/
>
>
> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said.. Ok
> great minds think alike..
> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
> that they have ignored the
> consumers opinion.
>
> from that post
>
> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
> Community. They need to value implementation over features, instead of the
> other way around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't
> show us something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before
> you do it. Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community
> really wants and needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm
> talking about your average Home users. These people will help you build a
> better product if you let them. I truly hope you let them.
> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
> future at this point. Take heed. "
>
>
This is NO "Community". This is a *seller* and *buyer* relationship. In
plain 101 Economics, the former is there to make money off the latter. If
you're looking for a "community", you'll need to look at Open Source, where
the supplier of software, provides the software for free to other users of
the "community". Big difference!

Cheers.

--
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http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/compost.htm

ok listen to the consumers.. call them whatever you like...



"NoStop" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok
>> great minds think alike..
>> but you dont really need a great mind to see MS flopped with Vista and
>> that they have ignored the
>> consumers opinion.
>>
>> from that post
>>
>> "I'm not asking much of Microsoft. I want them to listen to their
>> Community. They need to value implementation over features, instead of
>> the
>> other way around. Listen to your users. Listen to the Community. Don't
>> show us something and say "Wow! Look what we did!". Try asking us before
>> you do it. Open your ears and minds, and find out what your Community
>> really wants and needs. I'm not talking about the Corporate world. I'm
>> talking about your average Home users. These people will help you build a
>> better product if you let them. I truly hope you let them.
>> Listening to your Community is the only thing that will save you and your
>> future at this point. Take heed. "
>>
>>
> This is NO "Community". This is a *seller* and *buyer* relationship. In
> plain 101 Economics, the former is there to make money off the latter. If
> you're looking for a "community", you'll need to look at Open Source,
> where
> the supplier of software, provides the software for free to other users of
> the "community". Big difference!
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> What does Bill Gates use?
> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/compost.htm
>

Frank wrote:

> On the Bridge! wrote:
>
>> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/03/03/...-vistas-rants/
>>
>>
>> New post from Chris Pirillo about Vista, same things that I have said..
>> Ok great minds think alike..
>
> CP is an ignorant, technically incompetent fool. Anyone who has seen
> this clown in action knows that to be true. Please think of yourself as
> much more capable than this idiot is or will ever be. He is an example
> of the bad part of the Internet...that is any fool can express his
> opinion and get a following.

Francis, seems to describe YOU to a T.


> If it were not for tech tv this loser would be in the bread line.

Jealous that he's got a TV show and you don't? When you learn to clean up
your language and behave like a decent person and take your meds, you too
might some day get your own TV show. Maybe they'll resurrect the Howdy
Doody Show and you can be the star?

> Frank

Cheers and LOL!


--
What does Bill Gates use?
http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/compost.htm

On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
> So users wanted a start menu that collapses upon itself, or an UAC thats
> in their face 1000 times a day or a defrag with no visual feedback or..
> wait! The crap is so much.. I will need days to list the stupid things
> that vista has.

Then please, feel free to compile this list of yours that will
supposedly take days, and perhaps you can give us all a break by not
posting for a while until it's ready.

But as for the "colapsing start menu", it was designed as such because
many users found the cascading menu difficult to navigate. Also, the new
style start menu facilitates its integration into the new Search Index,
making it easier to find those "hard-to-find" items.

We as users didn't specifically ask for UAC. What we wanted was a more
secure way of preventing improper system changes by either ourselves, or
by malware. UAC was the solution.

If you happen to see UAC prompts 1000 times a day, then you're spending
too much time inappropriately changing system settings and adding or
removing software - as opposed to actually using the computer for
something productive. If I where to count the UAC prompts I get, I'd be
amazed if I got 3 or 4 in a month!

And just to clear things up, I personally believe that UAC still isn't
tight enough, and that some parts of the system are still vulnerable
because. Buts it's a step in the right direction into making a properly
secure operating system.

On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
> NO these are only the STUPID BAD SOLUTIONS MS gave to the feedback and
> then went ahead and implemenetd the solutions they thought were good
> *but were stupid*.. they never asked the very thing Chris is saying:
> Like here is what we are thinking of doing, do you agree with it? LOL

I read the article referenced by the original post, including the
article that itself was referencing - and the only logical conclusion
that I have is that both you and Chris have not taken the time to fully
grasp the benefits of the changes made to the OS.

On the Bridge!;633357 Wrote:
> Everything about vista shows its the most user unfriendly OS since win.
> 3.1 how can some people actually like it, amazes me!

Spend a little more of your time actually doing some productive work,
and less time ranting about your own shortcomings, and maybe you'd begin
to understand that Vista IS faster, more reliable, more secure and more
compatible than any of the previous versions of Windows.


--
dzomlija

_____________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

-Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-

- ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
- AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis
- 1207GB Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at: http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/e...zomlija/Venus/