Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM

I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.

WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.

I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However, the
mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.

I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.

Not correct.
Both computers have to use the same protocol. Both have to use pop or both
have to use IMAP.
--
Ronald Sommer

"fozzie" <> wrote in message
news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
> I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
>
> WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
> and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
>
> I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
> Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However,
> the
> mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
>
> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed
> from
> the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
> through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
> IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.

"fozzie" <> wrote in message
news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
> I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
>
> WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses
> Outlook
> and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
>
> I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail
> with
> Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server.
> However, the
> mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
>
> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed
> from
> the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use
> IMAP
> through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to
> use
> IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.



That is normal behaviour.

WLM offers the following configuration options:

1. Download message - and delete it immediately from the POP3 server
2. Download message - and leave a copy on the POP3 server (the copy
will remain there until deleted)
3. a) Download message - leave copy on the POP3 server and remove
from server after xx days and/or
b) Download message - leave copy on the POP3 server and remove
from server when deleted from deleted items.

When you receive messages from a POP3 server, your local mail client
(which is WLMail on your computer) downloads the entire message. It
will remain in a message store on your local computer, even after you
have deleted the message from the POP3 server at your ISP.

However, there is nothing to prevent you from deleting the message from
your local message store at any time. Subsequent deletion from the
message store on your local computer will only affect messages on the
server, if you have adopted configuration option 3b.

With IMAP and HTTP, WLMail synchronizes local files with the mail
server. If you delete a message locally, subsequent synchronization
will also delete it from the server.

If there are capacity problems with the IMAP mailbox at your ISP, there
is nothing to prevent you from transferring messages to a personal
Storage Folder in WLM, before you delete them from the server.

No, that expectation would be incorrect for pop3 mail accounts. Doing so would require Outlook's pst file to sync with WLM's
Message store and also it's separate individual *.eml files. The results would be the same with WLM and Outlook installed on the
same or a different machine(local installed email clients don't sync with each other).

--
...winston
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"fozzie" <> wrote in message news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
> I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
>
> WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
> and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
>
> I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
> Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However, the
> mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
>
> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
> the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
> through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
> IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.

"Bob Lucas" wrote:

> "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
> > I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
> >
> > WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses
> > Outlook
> > and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
> >
> > I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail
> > with
> > Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server.
> > However, the
> > mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
> >
> > I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed
> > from
> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use
> > IMAP
> > through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to
> > use
> > IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.
>
>
>
> That is normal behaviour.
>
> WLM offers the following configuration options:
>
> 1. Download message - and delete it immediately from the POP3 server
> 2. Download message - and leave a copy on the POP3 server (the copy
> will remain there until deleted)
> 3. a) Download message - leave copy on the POP3 server and remove
> from server after xx days and/or
> b) Download message - leave copy on the POP3 server and remove
> from server when deleted from deleted items.
>
> When you receive messages from a POP3 server, your local mail client
> (which is WLMail on your computer) downloads the entire message. It
> will remain in a message store on your local computer, even after you
> have deleted the message from the POP3 server at your ISP.
>
> However, there is nothing to prevent you from deleting the message from
> your local message store at any time. Subsequent deletion from the
> message store on your local computer will only affect messages on the
> server, if you have adopted configuration option 3b.
>
> With IMAP and HTTP, WLMail synchronizes local files with the mail
> server. If you delete a message locally, subsequent synchronization
> will also delete it from the server.
>
> If there are capacity problems with the IMAP mailbox at your ISP, there
> is nothing to prevent you from transferring messages to a personal
> Storage Folder in WLM, before you delete them from the server.
>
>
Thanks Bob. I'm using WLM on my laptop when I'm away from home and so still
want the mail left on the server. I had a dabble using IMAP instead of POP3
and that's doing what I want. (The only thing I'm now struggling with is
getting deleted mail to go in to the Trash folder; I've tried all the
appropriate settings but hitting the delete key just causes the email to be
deleted).

That's not strictly true. I have Pocket Outlook on my WM6 device. I use
POP3 to download the same mail. It stays on my PocketPC until I download
(and remove) from the server using Outlook (POP3) on my home PC. Then, the
next time I check my mail on my PocketPC, the previously downloaded mail is
then removed.

"...winston" wrote:

> No, that expectation would be incorrect for pop3 mail accounts. Doing so would require Outlook's pst file to sync with WLM's
> Message store and also it's separate individual *.eml files. The results would be the same with WLM and Outlook installed on the
> same or a different machine(local installed email clients don't sync with each other).
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
>
> "fozzie" <> wrote in message news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
> > I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
> >
> > WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
> > and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
> >
> > I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
> > Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However, the
> > mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
> >
> > I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
> > through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
> > IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.
>
>
>

It doesn't matter whether you use Pocket Outlook on a WM6 or any similar device.. neither enable Outlook to sync with WLM or vice
versa.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"fozzie" <> wrote in message news:2A02BBE1-DF26-4F9E-8092-...
> That's not strictly true. I have Pocket Outlook on my WM6 device. I use
> POP3 to download the same mail. It stays on my PocketPC until I download
> (and remove) from the server using Outlook (POP3) on my home PC. Then, the
> next time I check my mail on my PocketPC, the previously downloaded mail is
> then removed.
>
> "...winston" wrote:
>
>> No, that expectation would be incorrect for pop3 mail accounts. Doing so would require Outlook's pst file to sync with WLM's
>> Message store and also it's separate individual *.eml files. The results would be the same with WLM and Outlook installed on the
>> same or a different machine(local installed email clients don't sync with each other).
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>>
>> "fozzie" <> wrote in message news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
>> > I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
>> >
>> > WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
>> > and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
>> >
>> > I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
>> > Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However, the
>> > mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
>> >
>> > I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
>> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
>> > through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
>> > IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.
>>
>>
>>

The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and WLM. The
question was why email that has been downloaded using POP3 with WLM (and is
left on the mail server) doesn't get removed on the next send/receive if the
email has been subsequently downloaded using Outlook (with POP3) which has
removed the mail from the server.

This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place of WLM and so I was
wondering why the behaviours were different.

"...winston" wrote:

> It doesn't matter whether you use Pocket Outlook on a WM6 or any similar device.. neither enable Outlook to sync with WLM or vice
> versa.
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
>
> "fozzie" <> wrote in message news:2A02BBE1-DF26-4F9E-8092-...
> > That's not strictly true. I have Pocket Outlook on my WM6 device. I use
> > POP3 to download the same mail. It stays on my PocketPC until I download
> > (and remove) from the server using Outlook (POP3) on my home PC. Then, the
> > next time I check my mail on my PocketPC, the previously downloaded mail is
> > then removed.
> >
> > "...winston" wrote:
> >
> >> No, that expectation would be incorrect for pop3 mail accounts. Doing so would require Outlook's pst file to sync with WLM's
> >> Message store and also it's separate individual *.eml files. The results would be the same with WLM and Outlook installed on the
> >> same or a different machine(local installed email clients don't sync with each other).
> >>
> >> --
> >> ...winston
> >> ms-mvp mail
> >>
> >>
> >> "fozzie" <> wrote in message news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...
> >> > I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup.
> >> >
> >> > WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
> >> > and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading.
> >> >
> >> > I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
> >> > Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However, the
> >> > mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM.
> >> >
> >> > I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
> >> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
> >> > through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
> >> > IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

<qp>
I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
> >> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct?
</qp>

Still an incorrect assumption. Just as incorrect as interjecting a different email client(Pocket OL) that requires OL to delete for
removal prior to a subsequent sync.

Not apples to apples..

In your case, you are syncing a device with Outlook to facilitate removal.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"fozzie" <> wrote in message news:5D1FB575-3F1D-40FB-9134-...
> The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and WLM. The
> question was why email that has been downloaded using POP3 with WLM (and is
> left on the mail server) doesn't get removed on the next send/receive if the
> email has been subsequently downloaded using Outlook (with POP3) which has
> removed the mail from the server.
>
> This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place of WLM and so I was
> wondering why the behaviours were different.

Sorry, I'm obviously not being clear here. I'm not syncing any device with
Outlook.

Here's the behaviour for the 2 scenarios walked through. First, using WLM
on a remote device/laptop PC (WLM, POP3, leave a copy of mail on server) and
Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on server).
1. Send mail to address.
2. Use WLM (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox.
3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and removed from
server.
4. Send/receive in WLM and email remains in Inbox.

Contrast that with the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook on a remote
device/Pocket PC (Pocket Outlook, POP3, leave a copy of mail on server) and
Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on server).

1. Send mail to address.
2. Use Pocket Outlook (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox. Note:
this is not syncing the device or using Active-Sync or anything like that;
this is simple email send/receive over 3G direct to ISP mail server.
3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and removed from
server.
4. Send/receive in Pocket Outlook and email is now removed from Inbox.

I think this is like for like - all clients are using POP3 and both the
'remote' clients (WLM and Pocket Outlook) are set to leave a copy of the mail
on the server with the 'home' client (Outlook) set to not leave mail on the
server. For the same scenario, the behaviour is different and I don't
understand why.

"...winston" wrote:

> <qp>
> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
> > >> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct?
> </qp>
>
> Still an incorrect assumption. Just as incorrect as interjecting a different email client(Pocket OL) that requires OL to delete for
> removal prior to a subsequent sync.
>
> Not apples to apples..
>
> In your case, you are syncing a device with Outlook to facilitate removal.
>
> --
> ...winston
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>
>
> "fozzie" <> wrote in message news:5D1FB575-3F1D-40FB-9134-...
> > The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and WLM. The
> > question was why email that has been downloaded using POP3 with WLM (and is
> > left on the mail server) doesn't get removed on the next send/receive if the
> > email has been subsequently downloaded using Outlook (with POP3) which has
> > removed the mail from the server.
> >
> > This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place of WLM and so I was
> > wondering why the behaviours were different.
>
>
>
>