Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM

My ISP offers a measly 50MB of IMAP storage space so unfortunately it's not
even an option for me to use them to store my mail (even if I did trust
them). Which reminds me, I must check with them that it isn't a typo and
they really meant 50GB!

"Ildhund" wrote:

> No, that's not 'non-standard' - it's a useful POP3 housekeeping
> mechanism that I use all the time. It can be configured in WLMail on
> the Advanced tab of the account's properties sheet.
> A pocket PC is not intended to be used as a permanent archive for
> messages, whereas a desktop is. The mailbox on the server has until
> recently been just that - a mailbox you can collect messages from.
> Nowadays, with 5GB, 10GB or even unlimited storage on offer at mail
> servers around the world, you can use your mailbox as permanent
> storage too - if you trust whoever's running the server. Pocket
> Outlook's behaviour seems entirely rational.
> --
> Noel
>
> "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> news:64D4F864-0601-40BE-B84A-...
> > For completeness, I guess the other non-standard POP3 behaviour of
> > Pocket Outlook is that if a mail is deleted and then removed from
> > the Deleted Items folder, it will also be removed from the mail
> > server on the next Send/Receive.
> >
> > "fozzie" wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the reference. I think that's probably it; I've been
> >> unfortunate in having my expectations set by the 'non-standard'
> >> POP3 behaviour of Pocket Outlook (which has been my only
> >> experience of using a second POP3 client in parallel).
> >>
> >> Using IMAP with WLM (but leaving Outlook using POP3) seems to
> >> give me pretty much what I need, although sending and deleting
> >> with WLM isn't putting the messages in to the respective
> >> folders....but that's for another day.
>
> >> "Ildhund" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I got fascinated by this discussion, so I looked at
> >> > http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...utlook_PPC.pdf
> >> > where it clearly states that "messages that have been deleted
> >> > from the server are removed from the device Inbox", even using
> >> > POP3. This is clearly a mechanism to save storage space. WLMail
> >> > doesn't do it (nor any other desktop mail client that I know
> >> > of) when using POP3.
>
> >> > "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> >> > news:9E6F0F37-68C5-47EA-8DB3-...
> >> > > Sorry, I'm obviously not being clear here. I'm not syncing
> >> > > any device with Outlook.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here's the behaviour for the 2 scenarios walked through.
> >> > > First, using WLM on a remote device/laptop PC (WLM, POP3,
> >> > > leave a copy of mail on server) and Outlook on a home PC
> >> > > (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on server).
> >> > > 1. Send mail to address.
> >> > > 2. Use WLM (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox.
> >> > > 3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox
> >> > > and removed from server.
> >> > > 4. Send/receive in WLM and email remains in Inbox.
> >> > >
> >> > > Contrast that with the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook on
> >> > > a remote device/Pocket PC (Pocket Outlook, POP3, leave a copy
> >> > > of mail on server) and Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3,
> >> > > don't leave a copy of mail on server).
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Send mail to address.
> >> > > 2. Use Pocket Outlook (on remote device) and email appears
> >> > > in Inbox. Note: this is not syncing the device or using
> >> > > Active-Sync or anything like that; this is simple email
> >> > > send/receive over 3G direct to ISP mail server.
> >> > > 3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox
> >> > > and removed from server.
> >> > > 4. Send/receive in Pocket Outlook and email is now removed
> >> > > from Inbox.
> >> > >
> >> > > I think this is like for like - all clients are using POP3
> >> > > and both the 'remote' clients (WLM and Pocket Outlook) are
> >> > > set to leave a copy of the mail on the server with the 'home'
> >> > > client (Outlook) set to not leave mail on the server. For
> >> > > the same scenario, the behaviour is different and I don't
> >> > > understand why.
>
> >> > > "...winston" wrote:
> >> > >> <qp>
> >> > >> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has
> >> > >> been removed from the POP3 server. Are my expectations
> >> > >> correct?
> >> > >> </qp>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Still an incorrect assumption. Just as incorrect as
> >> > >> interjecting a different email client(Pocket OL) that
> >> > >> requires OL to delete for removal prior to a subsequent
> >> > >> sync.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Not apples to apples..
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In your case, you are syncing a device with Outlook to
> >> > >> facilitate removal.
>
> >> > >> "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:5D1FB575-3F1D-40FB-9134-...
> >> > >> > The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook
> >> > >> > and WLM. The question was why email that has been
> >> > >> > downloaded using POP3 with WLM (and is left on the mail
> >> > >> > server) doesn't get removed on the next send/receive if
> >> > >> > the email has been subsequently downloaded using Outlook
> >> > >> > (with POP3) which has removed the mail from the server.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place
> >> > >> > of WLM and so I was wondering why the behaviours were
> >> > >> > different.
>
>
>

Ah yes, of course. I mustn't lie away awake at night thinking too hard about
these things!

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

> That is a standard POP option, described earlier in this thread by Bob Lucas
> as option 3.b.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "fozzie" <> wrote in message news:64D4F864-0601-40BE-B84A-...
> > For completeness, I guess the other non-standard POP3 behaviour of Pocket
> > Outlook is that if a mail is deleted and then removed from the Deleted Items
> > folder, it will also be removed from the mail server on the next Send/Receive.
> >
> > "fozzie" wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the reference. I think that's probably it; I've been unfortunate
> >> in having my expectations set by the 'non-standard' POP3 behaviour of Pocket
> >> Outlook (which has been my only experience of using a second POP3 client in
> >> parallel).
> >>
> >> Using IMAP with WLM (but leaving Outlook using POP3) seems to give me pretty
> >> much what I need, although sending and deleting with WLM isn't putting the
> >> messages in to the respective folders....but that's for another day.
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >>
> >> "Ildhund" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I got fascinated by this discussion, so I looked at
> >> > http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...utlook_PPC.pdf
> >> > where it clearly states that "messages that have been deleted from
> >> > the server are removed from the device Inbox", even using POP3. This
> >> > is clearly a mechanism to save storage space. WLMail doesn't do it
> >> > (nor any other desktop mail client that I know of) when using POP3.
> >> > --
> >> > Noel
> >> >
> >> > "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> >> > news:9E6F0F37-68C5-47EA-8DB3-...
> >> > > Sorry, I'm obviously not being clear here. I'm not syncing any
> >> > > device with
> >> > > Outlook.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here's the behaviour for the 2 scenarios walked through. First,
> >> > > using WLM
> >> > > on a remote device/laptop PC (WLM, POP3, leave a copy of mail on
> >> > > server) and
> >> > > Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on
> >> > > server).
> >> > > 1. Send mail to address.
> >> > > 2. Use WLM (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox.
> >> > > 3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and
> >> > > removed from
> >> > > server.
> >> > > 4. Send/receive in WLM and email remains in Inbox.
> >> > >
> >> > > Contrast that with the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook on a
> >> > > remote
> >> > > device/Pocket PC (Pocket Outlook, POP3, leave a copy of mail on
> >> > > server) and
> >> > > Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on
> >> > > server).
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Send mail to address.
> >> > > 2. Use Pocket Outlook (on remote device) and email appears in
> >> > > Inbox. Note:
> >> > > this is not syncing the device or using Active-Sync or anything
> >> > > like that;
> >> > > this is simple email send/receive over 3G direct to ISP mail
> >> > > server.
> >> > > 3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and
> >> > > removed from
> >> > > server.
> >> > > 4. Send/receive in Pocket Outlook and email is now removed from
> >> > > Inbox.
> >> > >
> >> > > I think this is like for like - all clients are using POP3 and
> >> > > both the
> >> > > 'remote' clients (WLM and Pocket Outlook) are set to leave a copy
> >> > > of the mail
> >> > > on the server with the 'home' client (Outlook) set to not leave
> >> > > mail on the
> >> > > server. For the same scenario, the behaviour is different and I
> >> > > don't
> >> > > understand why.
> >> > >
> >> > > "...winston" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> <qp>
> >> > >> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been
> >> > >> removed from
> >> > >> > >> > the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct?
> >> > >> </qp>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Still an incorrect assumption. Just as incorrect as interjecting
> >> > >> a different email client(Pocket OL) that requires OL to delete
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> removal prior to a subsequent sync.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Not apples to apples..
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In your case, you are syncing a device with Outlook to facilitate
> >> > >> removal.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> ...winston
> >> > >> ms-mvp mail
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:5D1FB575-3F1D-40FB-9134-...
> >> > >> > The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and
> >> > >> > WLM. The
> >> > >> > question was why email that has been downloaded using POP3 with
> >> > >> > WLM (and is
> >> > >> > left on the mail server) doesn't get removed on the next
> >> > >> > send/receive if the
> >> > >> > email has been subsequently downloaded using Outlook (with
> >> > >> > POP3) which has
> >> > >> > removed the mail from the server.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place of WLM
> >> > >> > and so I was
> >> > >> > wondering why the behaviours were different.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
>

My ISP recently sent an email saying to not rely on their email server as
permanent storage.
I would check to make sure it is permanent storage.
--
Ronald Sommer

"Ildhund" <> wrote in message
news:...
> No, that's not 'non-standard' - it's a useful POP3 housekeeping mechanism
> that I use all the time. It can be configured in WLMail on the Advanced
> tab of the account's properties sheet.
> A pocket PC is not intended to be used as a permanent archive for
> messages, whereas a desktop is. The mailbox on the server has until
> recently been just that - a mailbox you can collect messages from.
> Nowadays, with 5GB, 10GB or even unlimited storage on offer at mail
> servers around the world, you can use your mailbox as permanent storage
> too - if you trust whoever's running the server. Pocket Outlook's
> behaviour seems entirely rational.
> --
> Noel
>
> "fozzie" <> wrote in message
> news:64D4F864-0601-40BE-B84A-...
>> For completeness, I guess the other non-standard POP3 behaviour of Pocket
>> Outlook is that if a mail is deleted and then removed from the Deleted
>> Items folder, it will also be removed from the mail server on the next
>> Send/Receive.
>>
>> "fozzie" wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the reference. I think that's probably it; I've been
>>> unfortunate in having my expectations set by the 'non-standard' POP3
>>> behaviour of Pocket Outlook (which has been my only experience of using
>>> a second POP3 client in parallel).
>>>
>>> Using IMAP with WLM (but leaving Outlook using POP3) seems to give me
>>> pretty much what I need, although sending and deleting with WLM isn't
>>> putting the messages in to the respective folders....but that's for
>>> another day.
>
>>> "Ildhund" wrote:
>>>
>>> > I got fascinated by this discussion, so I looked at
>>> > http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...utlook_PPC.pdf
>>> > where it clearly states that "messages that have been deleted from the
>>> > server are removed from the device Inbox", even using POP3. This is
>>> > clearly a mechanism to save storage space. WLMail doesn't do it (nor
>>> > any other desktop mail client that I know of) when using POP3.
>
>>> > "fozzie" <> wrote in message
>>> > news:9E6F0F37-68C5-47EA-8DB3-...
>>> > > Sorry, I'm obviously not being clear here. I'm not syncing any
>>> > > device with Outlook.
>>> > >
>>> > > Here's the behaviour for the 2 scenarios walked through. First,
>>> > > using WLM on a remote device/laptop PC (WLM, POP3, leave a copy of
>>> > > mail on server) and Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave
>>> > > a copy of mail on server).
>>> > > 1. Send mail to address.
>>> > > 2. Use WLM (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox.
>>> > > 3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and
>>> > > removed from server.
>>> > > 4. Send/receive in WLM and email remains in Inbox.
>>> > >
>>> > > Contrast that with the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook on a
>>> > > remote device/Pocket PC (Pocket Outlook, POP3, leave a copy of mail
>>> > > on server) and Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a
>>> > > copy of mail on server).
>>> > >
>>> > > 1. Send mail to address.
>>> > > 2. Use Pocket Outlook (on remote device) and email appears in
>>> > > Inbox. Note: this is not syncing the device or using Active-Sync or
>>> > > anything like that; this is simple email send/receive over 3G direct
>>> > > to ISP mail server.
>>> > > 3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and
>>> > > removed from server.
>>> > > 4. Send/receive in Pocket Outlook and email is now removed from
>>> > > Inbox.
>>> > >
>>> > > I think this is like for like - all clients are using POP3 and both
>>> > > the 'remote' clients (WLM and Pocket Outlook) are set to leave a
>>> > > copy of the mail on the server with the 'home' client (Outlook) set
>>> > > to not leave mail on the server. For the same scenario, the
>>> > > behaviour is different and I don't understand why.
>
>>> > > "...winston" wrote:
>>> > >> <qp>
>>> > >> I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been
>>> > >> removed from the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct?
>>> > >> </qp>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Still an incorrect assumption. Just as incorrect as interjecting a
>>> > >> different email client(Pocket OL) that requires OL to delete for
>>> > >> removal prior to a subsequent sync.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Not apples to apples..
>>> > >>
>>> > >> In your case, you are syncing a device with Outlook to facilitate
>>> > >> removal.
>
>>> > >> "fozzie" <> wrote in message
>>> > >> news:5D1FB575-3F1D-40FB-9134-...
>>> > >> > The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and
>>> > >> > WLM. The question was why email that has been downloaded using
>>> > >> > POP3 with WLM (and is left on the mail server) doesn't get
>>> > >> > removed on the next send/receive if the email has been
>>> > >> > subsequently downloaded using Outlook (with POP3) which has
>>> > >> > removed the mail from the server.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place of WLM
>>> > >> > and so I was wondering why the behaviours were different.
>
>

keeps telling me connect to dial up to download messages
do not have dial up have lan



Ildhund wrote:

Re: Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM
18-Aug-08

I got fascinated by this discussion, so I looked a
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...Outlook_PPC.pd
where it clearly states that "messages that have been deleted from
the server are removed from the device Inbox", even using POP3. This
is clearly a mechanism to save storage space. WLMail doesn't do it
(nor any other desktop mail client that I know of) when using POP3
--
Noe

"fozzie" <> wrote in message
news:9E6F0F37-68C5-47EA-8DB3-...

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Monday, August 18, 2008 7:48 AM
fozzi wrote:

Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM
I've got a fairly straightforward POP3 setup

WLM is set to leave a copy of mail on the server. My home PC uses Outlook
and is set to delete mail from the server when downloading

I can download and view mail fine in WLM. I then download my mail with
Outlook and confirm that there is no mail left on the server. However, the
mail remains in WLM, even after a send/receive and restarting WLM

I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
the POP3 server. Are my expectations correct? If not, should I use IMAP
through WLM (but remain using POP3 from my home PC)? I don't want to use
IMAP on my home PC as my ISP has too small an IMAP maibox size limit.

On Monday, August 18, 2008 8:51 AM
Ron Sommer wrote:

Not correct.Both computers have to use the same protocol.
Not correct
Both computers have to use the same protocol. Both have to use pop or bot
have to use IMAP
-
Ronald Sommer

On Monday, August 18, 2008 8:59 AM
Bob Lucas wrote:

Re: Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM
"fozzie" <> wrote in messag
news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-..


That is normal behaviour

WLM offers the following configuration options

1. Download message - and delete it immediately from the POP3 serve
2. Download message - and leave a copy on the POP3 server (the cop
will remain there until deleted
3. a) Download message - leave copy on the POP3 server and remov
from server after xx days and/o
b) Download message - leave copy on the POP3 server and remov
from server when deleted from deleted items

When you receive messages from a POP3 server, your local mail clien
(which is WLMail on your computer) downloads the entire message. I
will remain in a message store on your local computer, even after yo
have deleted the message from the POP3 server at your ISP

However, there is nothing to prevent you from deleting the message fro
your local message store at any time. Subsequent deletion from th
message store on your local computer will only affect messages on th
server, if you have adopted configuration option 3b

With IMAP and HTTP, WLMail synchronizes local files with the mai
server. If you delete a message locally, subsequent synchronizatio
will also delete it from the server

If there are capacity problems with the IMAP mailbox at your ISP, ther
is nothing to prevent you from transferring messages to a persona
Storage Folder in WLM, before you delete them from the server.

On Monday, August 18, 2008 12:12 PM
....winston wrote:

No, that expectation would be incorrect for pop3 mail accounts.
No, that expectation would be incorrect for pop3 mail accounts. Doing so would require Outlook's pst file to sync with WLM's
Message store and also it's separate individual *.eml files. The results would be the same with WLM and Outlook installed on the
same or a different machine(local installed email clients don't sync with each other)

--
...winsto
ms-mvp mai

"fozzie" <> wrote in message news:3F711638-E087-4791-848E-...

On Monday, August 18, 2008 4:12 PM
fozzi wrote:

Re: Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM
"Bob Lucas" wrote:

Thanks Bob. I'm using WLM on my laptop when I'm away from home and so still
want the mail left on the server. I had a dabble using IMAP instead of POP3
and that's doing what I want. (The only thing I'm now struggling with is
getting deleted mail to go in to the Trash folder; I've tried all the
appropriate settings but hitting the delete key just causes the email to be
deleted).

On Monday, August 18, 2008 4:31 PM
fozzi wrote:

That's not strictly true. I have Pocket Outlook on my WM6 device.
That's not strictly true. I have Pocket Outlook on my WM6 device. I use
POP3 to download the same mail. It stays on my PocketPC until I download
(and remove) from the server using Outlook (POP3) on my home PC. Then, the
next time I check my mail on my PocketPC, the previously downloaded mail is
then removed.

"...winston" wrote:

On Monday, August 18, 2008 4:57 PM
....winston wrote:

It doesn't matter whether you use Pocket Outlook on a WM6 or any similar
It does not matter whether you use Pocket Outlook on a WM6 or any similar device.. neither enable Outlook to sync with WLM or vice
versa.
--
....winston
ms-mvp mail

On Monday, August 18, 2008 5:09 PM
fozzi wrote:

The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and WLM.
The original question wasn't about syncing between Outlook and WLM. The
question was why email that has been downloaded using POP3 with WLM (and is
left on the mail server) doesn't get removed on the next send/receive if the
email has been subsequently downloaded using Outlook (with POP3) which has
removed the mail from the server.

This is the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook in place of WLM and so I was
wondering why the behaviours were different.

"...winston" wrote:

On Monday, August 18, 2008 5:37 PM
....winston wrote:

<qp>I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed
<qp>
I'm expecting the mail to be removed from WLM once it has been removed from
</qp>

Still an incorrect assumption. Just as incorrect as interjecting a different email client(Pocket OL) that requires OL to delete for
removal prior to a subsequent sync.

Not apples to apples..

In your case, you are syncing a device with Outlook to facilitate removal.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"fozzie" <> wrote in message news:5D1FB575-3F1D-40FB-9134-...

On Monday, August 18, 2008 5:59 PM
fozzi wrote:

Sorry, I'm obviously not being clear here.
Sorry, I'm obviously not being clear here. I'm not syncing any device with
Outlook.

Here's the behaviour for the 2 scenarios walked through. First, using WLM
on a remote device/laptop PC (WLM, POP3, leave a copy of mail on server) and
Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on server).
1. Send mail to address.
2. Use WLM (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox.
3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and removed from
server.
4. Send/receive in WLM and email remains in Inbox.

Contrast that with the behaviour when using Pocket Outlook on a remote
device/Pocket PC (Pocket Outlook, POP3, leave a copy of mail on server) and
Outlook on a home PC (Outlook, POP3, don't leave a copy of mail on server).

1. Send mail to address.
2. Use Pocket Outlook (on remote device) and email appears in Inbox. Note:
this is not syncing the device or using Active-Sync or anything like that;
this is simple email send/receive over 3G direct to ISP mail server.
3. Use Outlook (on home PC), email is downloaded to Inbox and removed from
server.
4. Send/receive in Pocket Outlook and email is now removed from Inbox.

I think this is like for like - all clients are using POP3 and both the
'remote' clients (WLM and Pocket Outlook) are set to leave a copy of the mail
on the server with the 'home' client (Outlook) set to not leave mail on the
server. For the same scenario, the behaviour is different and I don't
understand why.

"...winston" wrote:

On Monday, August 18, 2008 6:28 PM
Ildhund wrote:

Re: Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM
I got fascinated by this discussion, so I looked at
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...Outlook_PPC.pd
where it clearly states that "messages that have been deleted from
the server are removed from the device Inbox", even using POP3. This
is clearly a mechanism to save storage space. WLMail doesn't do it
(nor any other desktop mail client that I know of) when using POP3
--
Noe

"fozzie" <> wrote in message
news:9E6F0F37-68C5-47EA-8DB3-...

On Monday, August 18, 2008 6:34 PM
Gary VanderMolen wrote:

Re: Mail downloaded from POP3 account remains in WLM
Comments inline

"fozzie" <> wrote in message
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On Monday, August 18, 2008 6:54 PM
fozzi wrote:

Thanks for the reference.
Thanks for the reference. I think that's probably it; I've been unfortunate
in having my expectations set by the 'non-standard' POP3 behaviour of Pocket
Outlook (which has been my only experience of using a second POP3 client in
parallel)

Using IMAP with WLM (but leaving Outlook using POP3) seems to give me pretty
much what I need, although sending and deleting with WLM isn't putting the
messages in to the respective folders....but that's for another day

Thanks again

"Ildhund" wrote:

On Monday, August 18, 2008 6:58 PM
fozzi wrote:

Thanks Gary.There's definitely no Exchange Server involved.
Thanks Gary

There's definitely no Exchange Server involved. All clients are connecting
directly to the ISP's mail server

I think 'Ildhund' above has hit the nail on the head. It looks like a
'non-standard' POP3 behaviour by Pocket Outlook, that causes mail to be
removed from the Inbox when it's no longer on the mail server

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

On Monday, August 18, 2008 8:07 PM
Gary VanderMolen wrote:

Good catch by Ildhund. I learn something new every day!
Good catch by Ildhund. I learn something new every day

--=2
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail

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On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:46 AM
fozzi wrote:

For completeness, I guess the other non-standard POP3 behaviour of Pocket
For completeness, I guess the other non-standard POP3 behaviour of Pocket
Outlook is that if a mail is deleted and then removed from the Deleted Items
folder, it will also be removed from the mail server on the next Send/Receive

"fozzie" wrote:

On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:15 AM
....winston wrote:

Yes...thanks to Noel[Ildhund] for digging this up..
Yes...thanks to Noel[Ildhund] for digging this up.
I stand corrected on where the synchronization occured in your example
i.e. Even with that 'nail on the head' non-standard behavior *synchronization* still occurs(with the server, not Outlook)

cf. The manual Noel provided, page 10, Pop3 example
<qp
The messages on your device and e-mail server are ***synchronized:*** new messages are downloaded to the device Inbox folder,
messages in the device Outbox folder are sent, and messages that have been deleted from the server are removed from the device
Inbox.
</qp>

That should also explain why the downloading of a message(pop3) in Outlook deletes the message from your device...once the device
connects to your 3G network, the message that was downloaded to Outlook(not left on the server) no longer exists on the server,
thus the device can't sync with something no longer present once a send/receive/sync is enacted.

The manual(pg 9) also indicates:
<qp>
If you are working offline, messages that have been deleted from the server will be deleted from the device the next time you
connect or according to the options you have selected
<qp>
i.e. another synchronization occurs on connect unless overridden by 'Empty deleted items' settings for 'Storage Options' per pg
5(Manually, On Connect/Disconnect, Immediately)

I am still curious about one item <g>
You mentioned 3G.
Widely available in many continents, but not so much in the U.S.?
If in the U.S. -- Is Verizon or ATT your provider ?

Thanks for raising the issue..we all learned something by your contribution!
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"fozzie" <> wrote in message news:6D5EE0F7-7A03-44B3-8179-...

On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 AM
Gary VanderMolen wrote:

That is a standard POP option, described earlier in this thread by Bob
That is a standard POP option, described earlier in this thread by Bob =
Lucas
as option 3.b.

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Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


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On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:52 AM
Ildhund wrote:

No, that's not 'non-standard' - it's a useful POP3 housekeeping mechanism that
No, that's not 'non-standard' - it's a useful POP3 housekeeping
mechanism that I use all the time. It can be configured in WLMail on
the Advanced tab of the account's properties sheet.
A pocket PC is not intended to be used as a permanent archive for
messages, whereas a desktop is. The mailbox on the server has until
recently been just that - a mailbox you can collect messages from.
Nowadays, with 5GB, 10GB or even unlimited storage on offer at mail
servers around the world, you can use your mailbox as permanent
storage too - if you trust whoever's running the server. Pocket
Outlook's behaviour seems entirely rational.
--
Noel

"fozzie" <> wrote in message
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On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:44 AM
fozzi wrote:

ok - we're in agreement there (different people mean different things by the
ok - we're in agreement there (different people mean different things by the
term synchronisation but we're talking about the same thing).

Re. 3G - I'm in the UK and so we have it in abundance.

Thanks.

"...winston" wrote:

On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:48 AM
fozzi wrote:

My ISP offers a measly 50MB of IMAP storage space so unfortunately it's not
My ISP offers a measly 50MB of IMAP storage space so unfortunately it's not
even an option for me to use them to store my mail (even if I did trust
them). Which reminds me, I must check with them that it isn't a typo and
they really meant 50GB!

"Ildhund" wrote:

On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:26 AM
fozzi wrote:

Ah yes, of course.
Ah yes, of course. I mustn't lie away awake at night thinking too hard about
these things!

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:11 AM
Ron Sommer wrote:

My ISP recently sent an email saying to not rely on their email server as
My ISP recently sent an email saying to not rely on their email server as
permanent storage.
I would check to make sure it is permanent storage.
--
Ronald Sommer


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Go to Tools, Accounts, select your mail account, Properties, Connection.
What does it show for connection?
You should leave that setting unselected, in which case WLM will use
whatever connection IE uses.

Also, under Tools, Options, Connection, the first box should be checked,
and the second box unchecked.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
Microsoft MVP Program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


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> keeps telling me connect to dial up to download messages
> do not have dial up have lan