Manifesto posts

Any post with "manifesto" in the subject line and/or "FYI," I will skip over
or mark the conversation as having been read.
That means I'll have to include THIS post as well. But what the heck, life
is a series of trade-offs, right?

Just thought you might like to know.

"DP" <> wrote in message
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> Any post with "manifesto" in the subject line and/or "FYI," I will skip
> over or mark the conversation as having been read.
> That means I'll have to include THIS post as well. But what the heck, life
> is a series of trade-offs, right?
>
> Just thought you might like to know.
>
>
>

And there was me thinking American presidential campaigns weren't until next
year.

--
Jon

So you don't want to hear about Kevin and his political views? Just FYI


"Jon" <> wrote in message
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> "DP" <> wrote in message
> news:...
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>> Any post with "manifesto" in the subject line and/or "FYI," I will skip
>> over or mark the conversation as having been read.
>> That means I'll have to include THIS post as well. But what the heck,
>> life is a series of trade-offs, right?
>>
>> Just thought you might like to know.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And there was me thinking American presidential campaigns weren't until
> next year.
>
> --
> Jon
>
>

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:24:23 -0700, "Spanky deMonkey"
<> wrote:

>So you don't want to hear about Kevin and his political views? Just FYI

Lets ask Frank to run for the job opening a certain senator in Utah
just resigned from. After all, Frankie is well practiced in peeking in
between the cracks in men's room stalls already and I'm sure he can
learn to tab his foot. So he'll have a leg up because he can start up
a conversation with the guy in the next stall and tell him how great
Vista is. <snicker>

Sure.. just let me get this beer down me and I'll be all ears.

--
Jon


"Spanky deMonkey" <> wrote in message
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> So you don't want to hear about Kevin and his political views? Just FYI
>
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> "Jon" <> wrote in message
> news:...
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>> "DP" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
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>>> Any post with "manifesto" in the subject line and/or "FYI," I will skip
>>> over or mark the conversation as having been read.
>>> That means I'll have to include THIS post as well. But what the heck,
>>> life is a series of trade-offs, right?
>>>
>>> Just thought you might like to know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And there was me thinking American presidential campaigns weren't until
>> next year.
>>
>> --
>> Jon
>>
>>
>
>

Adam Albright <> wrote in
news:

> Lets ask Frank to run for the job opening a certain senator in Utah
> just resigned from.

Did you see the police report ?

It's pretty funny what is considered 'lewd'. I guess I won't be tapping my
foot to music in public anymore...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/doc...?resultpage=1&

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:06:03 -0500, DanS
<> wrote:

>Adam Albright <> wrote in
>news :
>
>> Lets ask Frank to run for the job opening a certain senator in Utah
>> just resigned from.
>
>Did you see the police report ?
>
>It's pretty funny what is considered 'lewd'. I guess I won't be tapping my
>foot to music in public anymore...
>
>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/doc...?resultpage=1&

Wow! Thanks for the link. From reading that, it seems the cop is the
pervert. LOL! From the details it would seem the "crime" Senator Craig
committed was that of stupidity for saying he was guilty. Guilty of
what? Clearly he just wanted to put the event behind him, but talk
about poor judgment. Maybe he was interested in something, maybe not,
but the whole thing reeks of entrapment.

I know a LOT of cops. Two uncles were cops in Chicago. I used to bowl
in a late league that was mostly cops. One of my neighbors was a cop.
I know cops. Most have a us verse them mentality. Many lie in their
written reports, not just a little, whole fabrications, just what I
heard from my uncles would curl your hair.

My first experience with a Chicago cop, I was about 22, made a right
turn as some traffic light was just changing to red. Pattywagon lights
me up and pulls me over. In Chicago at least in the late 60's about to
retire or overweight cops in pairs mostly drove the pattywagon around
the district mostly killing time. Pattywagons are a transport vehicle
mostly used to haul prisoners, scoop up drunks, etc.. First word out
of this fat cop's mouth wasn't let me see your driver's license,
rather "where do you work son?" I tell him, a big smile comes across
his face.

At the time I worked at a liquor warehouse/distributor. Says he knows
my boss well, Hell, he should, half the cops in Chicago knew my boss
the superintendent. Anyway he meets me at work the next day and walks
out with a package of his own selection, doesn't even ask, been there
before obviously, just takes what he wants. Such a common happening
the guys in the warehouse don't even look up at the constant parade of
cops in and out of the warehouse. But gosh damn, did we get good
service. Just the ADT alarm going off instead of two or three cop cars
showing up which would be normal, we got 20 or more from even outside
of the district the warehouse was in.

I don't like right wingers and Craig was one of those phony finger
pointers and holly rollers. Still he got set up in this so-called
sting. What Craig should have done instead of giving him his business
card peel over a few hundred dollars from his no doubt fat wallet and
just wink or maybe drop it on the floor and see if the cop picked it
up. Even odds the cop would have and probably shake Craig's hand
after.

Adam Albright <> wrote in
news::

> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:06:03 -0500, DanS
> <> wrote:
>
>>Adam Albright <> wrote in
>>news m:
>>
>>> Lets ask Frank to run for the job opening a certain senator in Utah
>>> just resigned from.
>>
>>Did you see the police report ?
>>
>>It's pretty funny what is considered 'lewd'. I guess I won't be
>>tapping my foot to music in public anymore...
>>
>>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/doc...?resultpage=1&
>
> Wow! Thanks for the link. From reading that, it seems the cop is the
> pervert. LOL! From the details it would seem the "crime" Senator Craig
> committed was that of stupidity for saying he was guilty. Guilty of
> what? Clearly he just wanted to put the event behind him, but talk
> about poor judgment. Maybe he was interested in something, maybe not,
> but the whole thing reeks of entrapment.

Entrapment is a little too much maybe, but looking at the facts of what
was in the report, I can't see where a crime was commited, nor lewd
behavior. Noone exposed themselves to anyone, and no words were even
spoken !! When I was travelling for work and in a lot of airports, it
would just seem natural to put your carry-on against the door of the
stall. Where the hell else ya' gonna put it ! That's the only place it
fits unless your in the giant handicapped stall.

His mistake was pleading guilty. You never cop to anything, whether you
did it or not.

> I know a LOT of cops. Two uncles were cops in Chicago. I used to bowl
> in a late league that was mostly cops. One of my neighbors was a cop.
> I know cops. Most have a us verse them mentality. Many lie in their
> written reports, not just a little, whole fabrications, just what I
> heard from my uncles would curl your hair.

I believe it all. Cops are no better than anyone else when it comes to
abusing authority.

<SNIP>

> I don't like right wingers and Craig was one of those phony finger
> pointers and holly rollers. Still he got set up in this so-called
> sting. What Craig should have done instead of giving him his business
> card peel over a few hundred dollars from his no doubt fat wallet and
> just wink or maybe drop it on the floor and see if the cop picked it
> up. Even odds the cop would have and probably shake Craig's hand
> after.

Well, I don't know about all that. But, whipping out the business card is
what probably did him in.

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:18:44 -0500, DanS
<> wrote:

>Adam Albright <> wrote in
>news: :
>
>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:06:03 -0500, DanS
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>Adam Albright <> wrote in
>>>news :
>>>
>>>> Lets ask Frank to run for the job opening a certain senator in Utah
>>>> just resigned from.
>>>
>>>Did you see the police report ?
>>>
>>>It's pretty funny what is considered 'lewd'. I guess I won't be
>>>tapping my foot to music in public anymore...
>>>
>>>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/doc...?resultpage=1&
>>
>> Wow! Thanks for the link. From reading that, it seems the cop is the
>> pervert. LOL! From the details it would seem the "crime" Senator Craig
>> committed was that of stupidity for saying he was guilty. Guilty of
>> what? Clearly he just wanted to put the event behind him, but talk
>> about poor judgment. Maybe he was interested in something, maybe not,
>> but the whole thing reeks of entrapment.
>
>Entrapment is a little too much maybe, but looking at the facts of what
>was in the report, I can't see where a crime was commited, nor lewd
>behavior. Noone exposed themselves to anyone, and no words were even
>spoken !! When I was travelling for work and in a lot of airports, it
>would just seem natural to put your carry-on against the door of the
>stall. Where the hell else ya' gonna put it ! That's the only place it
>fits unless your in the giant handicapped stall.

Exactly! Where the heck does this cop think somebody in a airport
restroom is suppose to put the stuff they happen to be lugging around
with them? Heck the typical bathroom stall isn't very wide or that
deep either.

I like the line in the cop's report: "I could see an older white male
with grey hair standing outside my stall" Very curious a cop in a
stall that admits in his previous paragraph he was sitting in the
stall could see it was an older white male with grey hair. How do you
see anybody's head outside the stall if that guy is standing if you
are sitting in a bathroom stall with the door closed? If Craig was
close enough the cop couldn't see anywhere near Craig's head, at best
he could see no higher than mid chest. If Craig was further way then
you can't jump to the conclusion Craig was doing anything but waiting
for a stall to open up.

Later in the report this bone head cop makes the comment "Craig's
criminal history was clear". Oh really? Obviously the cop is judging
and any attorney would have had a field day with this cop on the stand
as to why he picked to put such words in his report.

>His mistake was pleading guilty. You never cop to anything, whether you
>did it or not.

No kidding.

>> I know a LOT of cops. Two uncles were cops in Chicago. I used to bowl
>> in a late league that was mostly cops. One of my neighbors was a cop.
>> I know cops. Most have a us verse them mentality. Many lie in their
>> written reports, not just a little, whole fabrications, just what I
>> heard from my uncles would curl your hair.
>
> I believe it all. Cops are no better than anyone else when it comes to
> abusing authority.
>

It's rather a specious argument to say that since there are bad cops (which
I don't deny), therefore Craig is innocent. That argument could be used by
anyone who has ever been arrested. As in, there are bad cops, so OJ didn't
do it.

Maybe it's common practice to put your carryon luggage where Craig put his.
But I doubt it's common practice to put your foot so far into the other
stall that it touches the other guy's foot or to run your hand along the
divider between the two stalls. My understanding is that while the cop was
in the stall to the right of Craig, it was Craig's LEFT hand that he was
running along the stall wall. In other words, he had to lean all the way
over to do that.

Whether that's all code for "let's get it on" I do not know. But I think
it's enough to constitute "disorderly conduct."
That's what he was arrested for and that's what he pleaded to IIRC.