Memory usage is too high.

I just got Vista Ultimate about a month ago. I have 4GB of ram and it seems
to not be enough. It is always running at 1GB to 1.5GB at all times, and if I
play my game BF2142 it will just close it down and say I am using too much
memory, which confuses me cause I have 4GB but it tops out at 2GB. I set my
paging file to 30-40GB so that should not be a problem. Before I had it set
to 8-10GB and still had the same problem. I hear there is some kind of way to
fix this by shutting something off that keeps apps open for fast access... I
don't really want that if it's going to stop me from gaming, or if it is
going to force me to buy another 4Gig kit.

Any input anyone?

"RainStryke" <> wrote in message
news:369445A3-6875-4D23-B4C9-...

>I just got Vista Ultimate about a month ago. I have 4GB of ram and it seems
> to not be enough. It is always running at 1GB to 1.5GB at all times,


Are you saying it is *using* 1-1.5GB of RAM?

Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a counterproductive
desire. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all, of your memory, all
the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is wasted memory. You paid
for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it wasted.



Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the time.
For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that part for
caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In this way Windows
keeps all your memory working for you all the time.


> and if I
> play my game BF2142 it will just close it down and say I am using too much
> memory,


Sorry, I can't help with the specifiucs of that. Have you contacted the
games manufacturer, and asked them why?


> which confuses me cause I have 4GB but it tops out at 2GB. I set my
> paging file to 30-40GB


Ugh! An *enormous* number--way way more than you need. A tenth of that would
probably be too much.


>so that should not be a problem. Before I had it set
> to 8-10GB


Still an *enormous* number.


> and still had the same problem. I hear there is some kind of way to
> fix this by shutting something off that keeps apps open for fast access...
> I
> don't really want that if it's going to stop me from gaming, or if it is
> going to force me to buy another 4Gig kit.


Are you running 32bit Vista? If so, buying more RAM would be a waste. It
can't use more than 4GB, and in practice, not more than around 3GB,
depending on what hardware you have installed.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Why dont you give a good example and start using all of your brain instead
of uttering such nonsense!

You have your ram for the apps not the OS, the OS should be out of the way.

Vista loads and unloads too much data... all this creates a problem on
computers that are not state of the art...




"Ken Blake" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "RainStryke" <> wrote in message
> news:369445A3-6875-4D23-B4C9-...
>
>>I just got Vista Ultimate about a month ago. I have 4GB of ram and it
>>seems
>> to not be enough. It is always running at 1GB to 1.5GB at all times,
>
>
> Are you saying it is *using* 1-1.5GB of RAM?
>
> Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a
> counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all,
> of your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is
> wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it
> wasted.
>
>
>
> Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the time.
> For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that part for
> caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In this way
> Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the time.
>
>
>> and if I
>> play my game BF2142 it will just close it down and say I am using too
>> much
>> memory,
>
>
> Sorry, I can't help with the specifiucs of that. Have you contacted the
> games manufacturer, and asked them why?
>
>
>> which confuses me cause I have 4GB but it tops out at 2GB. I set my
>> paging file to 30-40GB
>
>
> Ugh! An *enormous* number--way way more than you need. A tenth of that
> would probably be too much.
>
>
>>so that should not be a problem. Before I had it set
>> to 8-10GB
>
>
> Still an *enormous* number.
>
>
>> and still had the same problem. I hear there is some kind of way to
>> fix this by shutting something off that keeps apps open for fast
>> access... I
>> don't really want that if it's going to stop me from gaming, or if it is
>> going to force me to buy another 4Gig kit.
>
>
> Are you running 32bit Vista? If so, buying more RAM would be a waste. It
> can't use more than 4GB, and in practice, not more than around 3GB,
> depending on what hardware you have installed.
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>

"Mike Glenn" <> wrote in message
news:46cc88ba$...
> Why dont you give a good example and start using all of your brain instead
> of uttering such nonsense!
>
> You have your ram for the apps not the OS, the OS should be out of the
> way.
>
> Vista loads and unloads too much data... all this creates a problem on
> computers that are not state of the art...
>

Wrong! you need to do some reading on how the memory management has improved
in Vista.
Ram not in use is wasted!

I am using 64bit vista. My paging file was 8-10gb because everyone says your
paging file needs to be atleast 1.5 to 2 times more than your physical ram.
I'm not really worried about making my paging file too big, I have a 500GB
hard drive and use maybe 40GB of it. Yes, I know Windows is trying not to
waste ram, but it would be nice if it didn't try to use more than I had. The
game usually takes up about 800,000kb on the task manager... that leaves
1.2gb left (if it tops out at 2gb) which technicly it should leave 3.2gb left
which is way more than enough. But something is wrong and once it hits 2GB of
memory usage it shuts down the game I am playing. I never had this problem on
Windows XP. I had this comp with 4GB on windows XP 64 bit as well, but just
upgraded to Vista Ultimate a little over a month ago.

If this helps at all my computer specs are
AMD 2X 6000+
GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
4GB OCZ PC2-6400 800mhz
500GB 7200RPM hard drive.

The old rule of thumb about windows paging file size does not
apply to Vista as it uses memory differently. Vista will use more
memory than you think is needed and free up some when called
for by programs. Reset your Page File to let windows manage
it and then leave it alone.

http://www.tiler.com/freemeter/
Great free program for tracking system....

"RainStryke" <> wrote in message news:1D292425-23F6-4903-B1E5-...
>I am using 64bit vista. My paging file was 8-10gb because everyone says your
> paging file needs to be atleast 1.5 to 2 times more than your physical ram.
> I'm not really worried about making my paging file too big, I have a 500GB
> hard drive and use maybe 40GB of it. Yes, I know Windows is trying not to
> waste ram, but it would be nice if it didn't try to use more than I had. The
> game usually takes up about 800,000kb on the task manager... that leaves
> 1.2gb left (if it tops out at 2gb) which technicly it should leave 3.2gb left
> which is way more than enough. But something is wrong and once it hits 2GB of
> memory usage it shuts down the game I am playing. I never had this problem on
> Windows XP. I had this comp with 4GB on windows XP 64 bit as well, but just
> upgraded to Vista Ultimate a little over a month ago.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:13:42 -0700, Vista User wrote:

> "Mike Glenn" <> wrote in message
> news:46cc88ba$...
>> Why dont you give a good example and start using all of your brain instead
>> of uttering such nonsense!
>>
>> You have your ram for the apps not the OS, the OS should be out of the
>> way.
>>
>> Vista loads and unloads too much data... all this creates a problem on
>> computers that are not state of the art...
>>
>
> Wrong! you need to do some reading on how the memory management has improved
> in Vista.
> Ram not in use is wasted!

Yes but people want the Ram to be in use by their applications, not their
OS. What Vista does *can* cause problems with applications that do free
memory checks when they falsely see that there isn't any free memory
because Vista is hogging it all. It is not unusual for applications that
use a lot of memory to do free memory checks and make performance
adjustments based on that.

Also the entire argument is like saying "CPU not in use is wasted", "Hard
drive space not in use is wasted", etc. etc.

What's the next version of windows going to do?

Max out CPU at 100% all the time and fill up every last bit of the HD so
that it's not "wasted"?

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"Stephan Rose" wrote in message

> What's the next version of windows going to do?
>
> Max out CPU at 100% all the time and fill up every last bit of the HD so
> that it's not "wasted"?

LOL ... with Vista, we're getting close.

Besides, since the advent of "connectivity", your computer is not really
yours anymore. Viewed from the outside, that connected box you paid for is
simply a device that provides opportunity to further corporate greed ... and
that's the good part.

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Stephan Rose wrote:

>
> Yes but people want the Ram to be in use by their applications, not their
> OS. What Vista does *can* cause problems with applications that do free
> memory checks when they falsely see that there isn't any free memory
> because Vista is hogging it all.

That's a very misleading statement. If the app is written to work on
vista then there is no problem.

It is not unusual for applications that
> use a lot of memory to do free memory checks and make performance
> adjustments based on that.
>
> Also the entire argument is like saying "CPU not in use is wasted",

Nah...come on, that's a totally different issue.


"Hard
> drive space not in use is wasted", etc. etc.
>
> What's the next version of windows going to do?
>
> Max out CPU at 100% all the time and fill up every last bit of the HD so
> that it's not "wasted"?
>

Give it up Stephen, you're being totally ridiculous!
Frank