Microsoft admits Vista is a bloated abomination

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"With Vista bearing a footprint 10 times larger than XP's, even Microsoft
officials are expressing concerns about Windows' growing waistline. Speaking
last year at the University of Illinois, Microsoft distinguished engineer
Eric Traut said the operating system had become bloated.

"A lot of people think of Windows as this large, bloated operating system.
That may be a fair characterization," said Traut.

In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined products
beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's expected to
be available some time in 2010.

The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of the
OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next programming
effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it smaller than
Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.

Until it's ready, there's always programs like vLite."

What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
motherboard? What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and
sound and all running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?

"flambe" <> wrote in message
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> In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
> modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined
> products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's
> expected to be available some time in 2010.

That new modular approach started with Windows Vista.

> The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of
> the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next
> programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it
> smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.

Actually Windows Vista is the building block for the next operating system.
The MinWin stuff was alongside Windows Vista as Windows Vista was being
modularised.

> What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
> motherboard?

Windows Embedded?

> What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and sound and all
> running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?

It's called user mode, again already done in Windows Vista.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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windows vista was based on server 2003

MinWin will be based on Server2008, and the whole concept of the OS will be
different from Vista...

M1 looks a lot like vista.. but its M1 still.. its gonna be a good leap
forwards..

In fact this is the OS everyone has been waiting for after XP.





"Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
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> "flambe" <> wrote in message
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>
>> In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
>> modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined
>> products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's
>> expected to be available some time in 2010.
>
> That new modular approach started with Windows Vista.
>
>> The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of
>> the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next
>> programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it
>> smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
>
> Actually Windows Vista is the building block for the next operating
> system. The MinWin stuff was alongside Windows Vista as Windows Vista was
> being modularised.
>
>> What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
>> motherboard?
>
> Windows Embedded?
>
>> What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and sound and all
>> running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?
>
> It's called user mode, again already done in Windows Vista.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>
>

Joe cann wrote:
> windows vista was based on server 2003

Wrong! Obviously you've never run Server '03...hahaha!
>
> MinWin will be based on Server2008, and the whole concept of the OS will be
> different from Vista...

Server '08 is based on Vista...you're stupid!
>
> M1 looks a lot like vista.. but its M1 still.. its gonna be a good leap
> forwards..

W7 will just be an upgrade to Vista...you're stupid!
>
> In fact this is the OS everyone has been waiting for after XP.

Vista is the OS we've all been waiting for after XP...and the one that
we are all using.
You're not that bright are you?
Frank
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> "Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
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>>"flambe" <> wrote in message
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>>
>>>In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
>>>modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined
>>>products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's
>>>expected to be available some time in 2010.
>>
>>That new modular approach started with Windows Vista.
>>
>>
>>>The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of
>>>the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next
>>>programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it
>>>smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
>>
>>Actually Windows Vista is the building block for the next operating
>>system. The MinWin stuff was alongside Windows Vista as Windows Vista was
>>being modularised.
>>
>>
>>>What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
>>>motherboard?
>>
>>Windows Embedded?
>>
>>
>>>What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and sound and all
>>>running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?
>>
>>It's called user mode, again already done in Windows Vista.
>>
>>--
>>Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>>Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>>http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
>>http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>>*Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
>>
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>
>

Actually Server 2008 and Vista share much more code than Server 2003 and
Vista. With SP1 the Server 2008 and Vista kernel will essentially be the
same. You'll have to watch those videos again. They both say this.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/


"Joe cann" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> windows vista was based on server 2003
>
> MinWin will be based on Server2008, and the whole concept of the OS will
> be different from Vista...
>
> M1 looks a lot like vista.. but its M1 still.. its gonna be a good leap
> forwards..
>
> In fact this is the OS everyone has been waiting for after XP.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
> news:CE2916FE-AF2D-4CBD-9C03-...
>> "flambe" <> wrote in message
>> news:cvnnj.8473$ t...
>>
>>> In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
>>> modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined
>>> products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's
>>> expected to be available some time in 2010.
>>
>> That new modular approach started with Windows Vista.
>>
>>> The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of
>>> the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next
>>> programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it
>>> smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
>>
>> Actually Windows Vista is the building block for the next operating
>> system. The MinWin stuff was alongside Windows Vista as Windows Vista was
>> being modularised.
>>
>>> What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
>>> motherboard?
>>
>> Windows Embedded?
>>
>>> What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and sound and all
>>> running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?
>>
>> It's called user mode, again already done in Windows Vista.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
>>
>
>

Kerry Brown wrote:
> Actually Server 2008 and Vista share much more code than Server 2003 and
> Vista. With SP1 the Server 2008 and Vista kernel will essentially be the
> same. You'll have to watch those videos again. They both say this.
>

In addition to being downright stupid, capin' crunch is also
intellectually blind.
Frank

Just FYI, Joe Cann Is Based Not On A Carbon Life Form, But On Dog Crap.

Just FYI

"Joe cann" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> windows vista was based on server 2003
>
> MinWin will be based on Server2008, and the whole concept of the OS will
> be different from Vista...
>
> M1 looks a lot like vista.. but its M1 still.. its gonna be a good leap
> forwards..
>
> In fact this is the OS everyone has been waiting for after XP.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
> news:CE2916FE-AF2D-4CBD-9C03-...
>> "flambe" <> wrote in message
>> news:cvnnj.8473$ t...
>>
>>> In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
>>> modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined
>>> products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's
>>> expected to be available some time in 2010.
>>
>> That new modular approach started with Windows Vista.
>>
>>> The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of
>>> the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next
>>> programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it
>>> smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
>>
>> Actually Windows Vista is the building block for the next operating
>> system. The MinWin stuff was alongside Windows Vista as Windows Vista was
>> being modularised.
>>
>>> What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
>>> motherboard?
>>
>> Windows Embedded?
>>
>>> What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and sound and all
>>> running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?
>>
>> It's called user mode, again already done in Windows Vista.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
>>
>
>

The date and time was 1/28/2008 4:01 PM, and on a whim, Frank pounded
out on the keyboard:

> Joe cann wrote:
>> windows vista was based on server 2003
>
> Wrong! Obviously you've never run Server '03...hahaha!
>> MinWin will be based on Server2008, and the whole concept of the OS will be
>> different from Vista...
>
> Server '08 is based on Vista...you're stupid!
>> M1 looks a lot like vista.. but its M1 still.. its gonna be a good leap
>> forwards..
>
> W7 will just be an upgrade to Vista...you're stupid!


For many users and most businesses, it will be the upgrade from XP.


>> In fact this is the OS everyone has been waiting for after XP.
>
> Vista is the OS we've all been waiting for after XP...and the one that
> we are all using.
> You're not that bright are you?
> Frank

Vista is the OS most businesses have so far passed on. Just because you
use it doesn't mean "all" or "we", just you. And now with W7 on the
horizon, that pretty much seals it. We'll have to wait and see, won't we.



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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:35:20 GMT, "flambe" <> wrote:

>from
>http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=205920302
>
>"With Vista bearing a footprint 10 times larger than XP's, even Microsoft
>officials are expressing concerns about Windows' growing waistline. Speaking
>last year at the University of Illinois, Microsoft distinguished engineer
>Eric Traut said the operating system had become bloated.
>
>"A lot of people think of Windows as this large, bloated operating system.
>That may be a fair characterization," said Traut.
>
>In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
>modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined products
>beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's expected to
>be available some time in 2010.
>
>The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of the
>OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next programming
>effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it smaller than
>Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
>
>Until it's ready, there's always programs like vLite."
>
>What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
>motherboard? What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and
>sound and all running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?
>


Now isn't that a huge revelation.....Vista bloatware, nahhhhhhhh

Looks like Windows 7 may just be based on Vista after all.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1136&tag=nl.e539

Just goes to show that speculation is pointless at this point. Only a few
people at Microsoft know what the plans are for Windows 7 and they are not
talking.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



"Joe cann" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> windows vista was based on server 2003
>
> MinWin will be based on Server2008, and the whole concept of the OS will
> be different from Vista...
>
> M1 looks a lot like vista.. but its M1 still.. its gonna be a good leap
> forwards..
>
> In fact this is the OS everyone has been waiting for after XP.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
> news:CE2916FE-AF2D-4CBD-9C03-...
>> "flambe" <> wrote in message
>> news:cvnnj.8473$ t...
>>
>>> In response to such concerns, Traut said Microsoft has adopted a new,
>>> modular approach to OS development that will yield more streamlined
>>> products beginning with Windows 7 -- a successor to Windows Vista that's
>>> expected to be available some time in 2010.
>>
>> That new modular approach started with Windows Vista.
>>
>>> The approach calls for Windows developers to use a bare bones version of
>>> the OS -- dubbed MinWin -- as the building block for their next
>>> programming effort. MinWin is built on about 25 MBs of data -- making it
>>> smaller than Windows Vista by an order of magnitude.
>>
>> Actually Windows Vista is the building block for the next operating
>> system. The MinWin stuff was alongside Windows Vista as Windows Vista was
>> being modularised.
>>
>>> What about an OS that fitsessential services into flash memory on the
>>> motherboard?
>>
>> Windows Embedded?
>>
>>> What about an OS that virtualizes services, like video and sound and all
>>> running programs, so that crashes and BSODs go away?
>>
>> It's called user mode, again already done in Windows Vista.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
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