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zuoer
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      07-24-2008
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
Article posted below my comments.


My comments:

Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them try to
transfer files via networks,
connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...

Then that same group will be disgusted with CRAPISTA VISTA like everyone
else is..

and I wonder.. how stupid was this group so that they didn't realize the
crappy design of vista right from the start?
In order for them to be seeing vista and not realizing vista they must not
have been geeks, not even the average XP user..
they were problably ignorant....

and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on??? Hmmmmm
Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs? Let them install
Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
and compare Vista with XP.. LOL

XP wins hands down on every comparison.. vista is a loser that everyone is
waiting to die...

RIP Vista.. your life was short
and insignificant. GOOD RIDENS ALREADY! I will be glad to see you go... you
piece of crap!


Article posted below:


Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image
Posted by Ina Fried 4 comments
REDMOND, Wash.--After months of searching for ways to defend its
oft-maligned Windows operating system, Microsoft may just have found its
best weapon: Vista's skeptics.

Spurred by an e-mail from someone deep in the marketing ranks, Microsoft
last week traveled to San Francisco, rounding up Windows XP users who had
negative impressions of Vista. The subjects were put on video, asked about
their Vista impressions, and then shown a "new" operating system, code-named
Mojave. More than 90 percent gave positive feedback on what they saw. Then
they were told that "Mojave" was actually Windows Vista.

"Oh wow," said one user, eliciting exactly the exclamation that Microsoft
had hoped to garner when it first released the operating system more than 18
months ago. Instead, the operating system got mixed reviews and criticisms
for its lack of compatibility and other headaches.

To be sure, the focus groups didn't have to install Vista or hook it up to
their existing home network. Still, the emotional appeal of the "everyman"
trying Vista and liking it clearly packs an emotional punch, something the
company has desperately needed. Microsoft is still trying to figure out just
how it will use the Mojave footage in its marketing, though it will clearly
have a place.

The Mojave project is likely to be just one of many efforts designed to
resuscitate Vista's image as well as lend strength to the Windows platform
among stepped-up competition from Apple and Google. In an interview
Wednesday, Windows unit business chief Bill Veghte told CNET News that he
wants to see his unit try new things to get the message across.

"We have a huge perception opportunity," he said, offering a glass half-full
assessment of things. "We are going to try a bunch of stuff."

The image improvement effort, known internally as FTP, has many components.
Well-publicized are the hundreds of millions that Microsoft plans to spend
on a broad campaign buttressed by edgy ads from Crispin Porter and Bogusky.
But Veghte wants the company pushing on multiple marketing fronts.

With small businesses, for example, Microsoft earlier this month launched
the "Assurance" campaign. In that effort, Microsoft is offering free
Vista-related technical support, a move that will add millions of dollars to
Microsoft's telephone support costs. The point, Veghte said, is that
businesses want to see Microsoft standing behind its product.

Veghte is convinced, like others at Microsoft, that despite early technical
challenges, Vista's problems are primarily ones of perception.

Much of that perception, Microsoft belatedly acknowledges, stems from
Apple's successful and unchallenged anti-Vista campaign. But, after stewing
over the ads on many of his morning runs, Veghte decided that it was time to
strike back, even without a new version of Windows to tout. Apple, he said,
has "crossed a line" from fact into fiction.

Others at Microsoft have been sounding a similar note. Marketing vice
president Brad Brooks told partners earlier this month that Microsoft was
"drawing a line in the sand," while Steve Ballmer promised in a memo to
employees Wednesday that after doing some hard technical work on Vista that
it was now time for Microsoft to "tell our story."

"In the weeks ahead, we'll launch a campaign to address any lingering doubts
our customers may have about Windows Vista," Ballmer wrote. "And later this
year, you'll see a more comprehensive effort to redefine the meaning and
value of Windows for our customers."

What gives the Mojave project its power, though, is the fact that it isn't
Ballmer or someone else at Microsoft saying that Vista has gotten a bad rap.
It's everyday people.

With scenes reminiscent of both Apple's "real people" campaign of a few
years back as well as classic commercials from Folgers and others, the
Mojave project could prove a formidable weapon.

The Mojave project is remarkable both for its humble origin as well as the
speed with which it was pulled off. The idea started barely two weeks ago in
an e-mail from Microsoft's David Webster to several superiors, including
Veghte. Given the green light, Microsoft started videotaping responses just
last week, in San Francisco. The preview Veghte gave to CNET News on
Wednesday was the first time the footage had been shown outside the company
and its contractors.

The footage could get a public airing as soon as next week or even at
Thursday's financial analyst meeting, although plans were still in flux as
of late Wednesday night. Veghte will come under increased scrutiny now that
his boss, division president Kevin Johnson, is leaving the company. For the
time being, Veghte and Windows engineering chief Steven Sinofsky will both
report to Ballmer, who has called the work on Windows the company's top
priority.

The need for the campaign is clear. Apple has been making inroads, as well
as headlines with its anti-Vista push. Although Microsoft dominates in
corporations and in overseas markets, Apple has been grabbing a significant
share of the consumer market in the U.S., pushing its overall domestic share
as high as 8.5 percent last quarter, a significant rise from even a year
ago.

Microsoft is already at work on Windows 7, the next version of the operating
system. But Veghte said the company can't wait for a new product to start
firing back.

"I've got to start having that discussion in the marketplace," Veghte said.
"I've got to start driving that now. People feel guilty (about Vista). It's
wrong."

Microsoft hasn't said a ton about Windows 7, but it has talked about both a
new multitouch interface as well as reassuring customers, particularly
businesses, that it won't be making the kinds of dramatic changes under the
hood that were made with Vista.


 
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      07-24-2008

"zuoer" <> wrote in message
news:48887261$...
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
>

multisnip
>
> Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them
> try to transfer files via networks,
> connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...
>

Been there, done that, no trouble at all.


> and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on???
> Hmmmmm
> Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs?

'State of the art' ! That's run of the mill stuff, cheap as chips now,
why would anyone do otherwise ( well, dual core on our machines seem
fine ).


>Let them install Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
> and compare Vista with XP.. LOL
>

Assuming you mean an under-specified machine, why would anyone in their
right mind do that ?
A little knowledge and a bit of forethought would have helped you (but
deprived you of your rants).
BTW the word is 'riddance' and 'No' I didn't read the article.

Regards
Tom


 
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"Tom Allen" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>
> "zuoer" <> wrote in message
> news:48887261$...
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
>>

> multisnip
>>
>> Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them try
>> to transfer files via networks,
>> connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...
>>

> Been there, done that, no trouble at all.
>
>
>> and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on???
>> Hmmmmm
>> Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs?

> 'State of the art' ! That's run of the mill stuff, cheap as chips now,
> why would anyone do otherwise ( well, dual core on our machines seem
> fine ).
>
>
>>Let them install Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
>> and compare Vista with XP.. LOL
>>

> Assuming you mean an under-specified machine, why would anyone in their
> right mind do that ?
> A little knowledge and a bit of forethought would have helped you (but
> deprived you of your rants).
> BTW the word is 'riddance' and 'No' I didn't read the article.
>
> Regards
> Tom
>



These trolls trot out the same FUD day after day, making no allowances for
improvements that have been made either by MS or third party
manufacturers/authors.

They are not worth the time of day..




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Bill Yanaire
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      07-24-2008
You see zuoer you dumb **** I have you tied upside down and we're
standing on a tall bridge with you on the end of a bungee cord. I keep
kicking you in your big dumb ass then let you go, then when you bounce
up I kick you again and again and all I need is to look up your own
slop YOU wrote to slap you with it and expose you as the two faced
moron you really are.

"zuoer" <> wrote in message
news:48887261$...
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
> Article posted below my comments.
>
>
> My comments:
>
> Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them try
> to transfer files via networks,
> connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...
>
> Then that same group will be disgusted with CRAPISTA VISTA like everyone
> else is..
>
> and I wonder.. how stupid was this group so that they didn't realize the
> crappy design of vista right from the start?
> In order for them to be seeing vista and not realizing vista they must not
> have been geeks, not even the average XP user..
> they were problably ignorant....
>
> and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on???
> Hmmmmm
> Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs? Let them install
> Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
> and compare Vista with XP.. LOL
>
> XP wins hands down on every comparison.. vista is a loser that everyone is
> waiting to die...
>
> RIP Vista.. your life was short
> and insignificant. GOOD RIDENS ALREADY! I will be glad to see you go...
> you piece of crap!
>
>
> Article posted below:
>
>
> Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image
> Posted by Ina Fried 4 comments
> REDMOND, Wash.--After months of searching for ways to defend its
> oft-maligned Windows operating system, Microsoft may just have found its
> best weapon: Vista's skeptics.
>
> Spurred by an e-mail from someone deep in the marketing ranks, Microsoft
> last week traveled to San Francisco, rounding up Windows XP users who had
> negative impressions of Vista. The subjects were put on video, asked about
> their Vista impressions, and then shown a "new" operating system,
> code-named Mojave. More than 90 percent gave positive feedback on what
> they saw. Then they were told that "Mojave" was actually Windows Vista.
>
> "Oh wow," said one user, eliciting exactly the exclamation that Microsoft
> had hoped to garner when it first released the operating system more than
> 18 months ago. Instead, the operating system got mixed reviews and
> criticisms for its lack of compatibility and other headaches.
>
> To be sure, the focus groups didn't have to install Vista or hook it up to
> their existing home network. Still, the emotional appeal of the "everyman"
> trying Vista and liking it clearly packs an emotional punch, something the
> company has desperately needed. Microsoft is still trying to figure out
> just how it will use the Mojave footage in its marketing, though it will
> clearly have a place.
>
> The Mojave project is likely to be just one of many efforts designed to
> resuscitate Vista's image as well as lend strength to the Windows platform
> among stepped-up competition from Apple and Google. In an interview
> Wednesday, Windows unit business chief Bill Veghte told CNET News that he
> wants to see his unit try new things to get the message across.
>
> "We have a huge perception opportunity," he said, offering a glass
> half-full assessment of things. "We are going to try a bunch of stuff."
>
> The image improvement effort, known internally as FTP, has many
> components. Well-publicized are the hundreds of millions that Microsoft
> plans to spend on a broad campaign buttressed by edgy ads from Crispin
> Porter and Bogusky. But Veghte wants the company pushing on multiple
> marketing fronts.
>
> With small businesses, for example, Microsoft earlier this month launched
> the "Assurance" campaign. In that effort, Microsoft is offering free
> Vista-related technical support, a move that will add millions of dollars
> to Microsoft's telephone support costs. The point, Veghte said, is that
> businesses want to see Microsoft standing behind its product.
>
> Veghte is convinced, like others at Microsoft, that despite early
> technical challenges, Vista's problems are primarily ones of perception.
>
> Much of that perception, Microsoft belatedly acknowledges, stems from
> Apple's successful and unchallenged anti-Vista campaign. But, after
> stewing over the ads on many of his morning runs, Veghte decided that it
> was time to strike back, even without a new version of Windows to tout.
> Apple, he said, has "crossed a line" from fact into fiction.
>
> Others at Microsoft have been sounding a similar note. Marketing vice
> president Brad Brooks told partners earlier this month that Microsoft was
> "drawing a line in the sand," while Steve Ballmer promised in a memo to
> employees Wednesday that after doing some hard technical work on Vista
> that it was now time for Microsoft to "tell our story."
>
> "In the weeks ahead, we'll launch a campaign to address any lingering
> doubts our customers may have about Windows Vista," Ballmer wrote. "And
> later this year, you'll see a more comprehensive effort to redefine the
> meaning and value of Windows for our customers."
>
> What gives the Mojave project its power, though, is the fact that it isn't
> Ballmer or someone else at Microsoft saying that Vista has gotten a bad
> rap. It's everyday people.
>
> With scenes reminiscent of both Apple's "real people" campaign of a few
> years back as well as classic commercials from Folgers and others, the
> Mojave project could prove a formidable weapon.
>
> The Mojave project is remarkable both for its humble origin as well as the
> speed with which it was pulled off. The idea started barely two weeks ago
> in an e-mail from Microsoft's David Webster to several superiors,
> including Veghte. Given the green light, Microsoft started videotaping
> responses just last week, in San Francisco. The preview Veghte gave to
> CNET News on Wednesday was the first time the footage had been shown
> outside the company and its contractors.
>
> The footage could get a public airing as soon as next week or even at
> Thursday's financial analyst meeting, although plans were still in flux as
> of late Wednesday night. Veghte will come under increased scrutiny now
> that his boss, division president Kevin Johnson, is leaving the company.
> For the time being, Veghte and Windows engineering chief Steven Sinofsky
> will both report to Ballmer, who has called the work on Windows the
> company's top priority.
>
> The need for the campaign is clear. Apple has been making inroads, as well
> as headlines with its anti-Vista push. Although Microsoft dominates in
> corporations and in overseas markets, Apple has been grabbing a
> significant share of the consumer market in the U.S., pushing its overall
> domestic share as high as 8.5 percent last quarter, a significant rise
> from even a year ago.
>
> Microsoft is already at work on Windows 7, the next version of the
> operating system. But Veghte said the company can't wait for a new product
> to start firing back.
>
> "I've got to start having that discussion in the marketplace," Veghte
> said. "I've got to start driving that now. People feel guilty (about
> Vista). It's wrong."
>
> Microsoft hasn't said a ton about Windows 7, but it has talked about both
> a new multitouch interface as well as reassuring customers, particularly
> businesses, that it won't be making the kinds of dramatic changes under
> the hood that were made with Vista.
>
>



 
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      07-24-2008
#1 idiot moron loser, capin' crunch wrote:

<---raving mad lunatic diatribe rant deleted as a public service->

You're out of your fukkin mind!

 
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"zuoer" <> wrote in message
news:48887261$...
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
>

multisnip
>
> Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them
> try to transfer files via networks,
> connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...
>

Been there, done that, no trouble at all.


> and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on???
> Hmmmmm
> Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs?

'State of the art' ! That's run of the mill stuff, cheap as chips now,
why would anyone do otherwise ( well, dual core on our machines seem
fine ).


>Let them install Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
> and compare Vista with XP.. LOL
>

Assuming you mean an under-specified machine, why would anyone in their
right mind do that ?
A little knowledge and a bit of forethought would have helped you (but
deprived you of your rants).
BTW the word is 'riddance' and 'No' I didn't read the article.

Regards
Tom



 
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      07-24-2008
be careful little monkey brained vista dweller....

The min specs MS gives for Vista is a 800 mhz machine with 512mb ram! lol



"Tom Allen" <> wrote in message
news:#...
>
> "zuoer" <> wrote in message
> news:48887261$...
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
>>

> multisnip
>>
>> Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them try
>> to transfer files via networks,
>> connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...
>>

> Been there, done that, no trouble at all.
>
>
>> and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on???
>> Hmmmmm
>> Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs?

> 'State of the art' ! That's run of the mill stuff, cheap as chips now,
> why would anyone do otherwise ( well, dual core on our machines seem
> fine ).
>
>
>>Let them install Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
>> and compare Vista with XP.. LOL
>>

> Assuming you mean an under-specified machine, why would anyone in their
> right mind do that ?
> A little knowledge and a bit of forethought would have helped you (but
> deprived you of your rants).
> BTW the word is 'riddance' and 'No' I didn't read the article.
>
> Regards
> Tom
>

 
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      07-24-2008
MVP's suck.. they are trapped in the MS mindset and have no brains to break
through..

pitiful

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom Allen" <> wrote in message
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>> "zuoer" <> wrote in message
>> news:48887261$...
>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-99...=2547-1_3-0-20
>>>

>> multisnip
>>>
>>> Ok.. let them install some hardware, drivers, and programs, let them try
>>> to transfer files via networks,
>>> connect with other computers, let them use vista then for 3 months...
>>>

>> Been there, done that, no trouble at all.
>>
>>
>>> and then I ask you.. What kind of hardware did they have vista on???
>>> Hmmmmm
>>> Perhaps state of the art 4 core machines with 2+ gigs?

>> 'State of the art' ! That's run of the mill stuff, cheap as chips now,
>> why would anyone do otherwise ( well, dual core on our machines seem
>> fine ).
>>
>>
>>>Let them install Crapista on their OWN XP MACHINES
>>> and compare Vista with XP.. LOL
>>>

>> Assuming you mean an under-specified machine, why would anyone in their
>> right mind do that ?
>> A little knowledge and a bit of forethought would have helped you (but
>> deprived you of your rants).
>> BTW the word is 'riddance' and 'No' I didn't read the article.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tom
>>

>
>
> These trolls trot out the same FUD day after day, making no allowances for
> improvements that have been made either by MS or third party
> manufacturers/authors.
>
> They are not worth the time of day..
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Hall - MVP
> How to construct a good post..
> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
> Mike's Window - My Blog..
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>
>
>
>

 
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      07-24-2008
I bet you didn't even read the post Mr Moron Frank Retardo

"Frank" <> wrote in message news:g6a7ib$6q7$...
> #1 idiot moron loser, capin' crunch wrote:
>
> <---raving mad lunatic diatribe rant deleted as a public service->
>
> You're out of your fukkin mind!
>

 
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capin' crunch, the #1 idiot moron loser wrote:

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Hahaha...what's wrong capin' crunch? Got a dirty diaper and mummy isn't
there to change it? Or is your cardboard space ship not lifting off?...LOL!
Loser!
 
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