Microsoft support of windows xp without sp2

Because our vendors will not certify windows xp2 we are going to deploy
windows xp with sp1a. Will microsoft continue to support updates without
sp2. Security updates. I know at some time it must expire.

Service Pack 1 support will be for quite some time:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps

Keep on your venders, since as time goes by, less and less will be available
for SP-1 or earlier.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"CharlieY" <> wrote in message
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> Because our vendors will not certify windows xp2 we are going to deploy
> windows xp with sp1a. Will microsoft continue to support updates without
> sp2. Security updates. I know at some time it must expire.

If my memory is correct support for SP1 will be dropped within a few months;
well not support but windows updates. Microsoft has already reassign SP2 as
part of windows updates. Talk with your vendors about this issue. If they
are in any form of partner relation with Microsoft they should be pumping
out the latest Service Packs with all updates in their OEM products.

"Mr. Smith" <> schreef in bericht
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> If my memory is correct support for SP1 will be dropped within a few
months;
> well not support but windows updates. Microsoft has already reassign SP2
as
> part of windows updates. Talk with your vendors about this issue. If they
> are in any form of partner relation with Microsoft they should be pumping
> out the latest Service Packs with all updates in their OEM products.


But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?

Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
(Medion.com - Germany),
although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
(it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD, pre-SP1)

Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?

And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?

"Dutch User" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Mr. Smith" <> schreef in bericht
> news:...
>> If my memory is correct support for SP1 will be dropped within a few
> months;
>> well not support but windows updates. Microsoft has already reassign SP2
> as
>> part of windows updates. Talk with your vendors about this issue. If
>> they
>> are in any form of partner relation with Microsoft they should be pumping
>> out the latest Service Packs with all updates in their OEM products.
>
>
> But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?
>
> Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
> (Medion.com - Germany),
> although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
> propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
> (it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD, pre-SP1)
>
> Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
> simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?
>
> And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?
>
>
>

MS provides the support for software and the vendors support the hardware

Just think !!! What happens if MS decides to go into hardware as well

another suit for being a monopolist ???

"D@annyBoy" <> schreef in bericht
news:...
>
> "Dutch User" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> >
> > "Mr. Smith" <> schreef in bericht
> > news:...
> >> If my memory is correct support for SP1 will be dropped within a few
> > months;
> >> well not support but windows updates. Microsoft has already reassign
SP2
> > as
> >> part of windows updates. Talk with your vendors about this issue. If
> >> they
> >> are in any form of partner relation with Microsoft they should be
pumping
> >> out the latest Service Packs with all updates in their OEM products.
> >
> >
> > But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?
> >
> > Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
> > (Medion.com - Germany),
> > although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
> > propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
> > (it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD, pre-SP1)
> >
> > Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
> > simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?
> >
> > And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?
> >
> >
> >
>
> MS provides the support for software and the vendors support the hardware
>
> Just think !!! What happens if MS decides to go into hardware as well
>
> another suit for being a monopolist ???



You seem to be misunderstanding the issue.

MS sells XP licenses to PC manufacturers
who *do not support SP2 on machines that are barely 2 y.o.

(ie: the hardware vendor does not supply SP2 compatible drivers
for their OEM propriety hardware)

and what has MS got to do with the hardware?

MS welcomes vendors to submit drivers for testing at MS's cost but most
vendors cannot be bother................................


"Dutch User" <> wrote in message
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>
> "D@annyBoy" <> schreef in bericht
> news:...
>>
>> "Dutch User" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> >
>> > "Mr. Smith" <> schreef in bericht
>> > news:...
>> >> If my memory is correct support for SP1 will be dropped within a few
>> > months;
>> >> well not support but windows updates. Microsoft has already reassign
> SP2
>> > as
>> >> part of windows updates. Talk with your vendors about this issue. If
>> >> they
>> >> are in any form of partner relation with Microsoft they should be
> pumping
>> >> out the latest Service Packs with all updates in their OEM products.
>> >
>> >
>> > But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?
>> >
>> > Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
>> > (Medion.com - Germany),
>> > although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
>> > propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
>> > (it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD, pre-SP1)
>> >
>> > Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
>> > simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?
>> >
>> > And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> MS provides the support for software and the vendors support the hardware
>>
>> Just think !!! What happens if MS decides to go into hardware as well
>>
>> another suit for being a monopolist ???
>
>
>
> You seem to be misunderstanding the issue.
>
> MS sells XP licenses to PC manufacturers
> who *do not support SP2 on machines that are barely 2 y.o.
>
> (ie: the hardware vendor does not supply SP2 compatible drivers
> for their OEM propriety hardware)
>
>
>
>
>
>

"what if a vendor doesn't..."
That is entirely up to the vender.
If your vender will not support your hardware, find a vender who will.
Drivers are not and can not be Microsoft's responsibility.
Whether Microsoft supports a Service Pack or not has no bearing on if a
vender supports their hardware.
Those are two separate things and not connected.

Also did you look at the link in my last post concerning support for SP-2?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Dutch User" <> wrote in message news:%
> But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?
>
> Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
> (Medion.com - Germany),
> although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
> propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
> (it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD, pre-SP1)
>
> Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
> simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?
>
> And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?
>
>
>

Basically, I was assuming SP2 contained countless updated hardware
drivers, written or provided by MS

If the company that build the PC does not provide SP2 compatible propriety
software patches that are needed to get SP2 deployed
(many brands did offer them)
the customer is stuck with SP1.

MS is not responsable for drivers,
but still, they might take a second look
at selling OEM XP licenses
when a PC supplier has a history of
not supporting a major service pack.

As another victim with a Medion PC,
I wonder why MS is still licensing it's XP OEM to
a company that blatently leaves their customers in the cold.

It's quite bad PR, not to mention all the frustrated
consumers....



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
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> "what if a vendor doesn't..."
> That is entirely up to the vender.
> If your vender will not support your hardware, find a vender who will.
> Drivers are not and can not be Microsoft's responsibility.
> Whether Microsoft supports a Service Pack or not has no bearing on if a
> vender supports their hardware.
> Those are two separate things and not connected.
>
> Also did you look at the link in my last post concerning support for
SP-2?
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Dutch User" <> wrote in message news:%
> > But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?
> >
> > Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
> > (Medion.com - Germany),
> > although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
> > propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
> > (it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD, pre-SP1)
> >
> > Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
> > simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?
> >
> > And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Pat,

unfortunately some OEMs couldn't care less about MSFT
"Driver Development Kits, seminars, and Technet bulletins"
when it comes to developing SP2 comparible drivers.

Several API's actually no longer work with some uncertified drivers due
to the nature of SP2, it is basically a major OS upgrade, not a simple sp.

Some OEMs seem to have found a new way of generating sales:
by not provided necessary propriety driver updates
many PCs simply cannot be updated/graded to SP2.

And indeed, those OEMs are the ones to blame.



"Pat Walters [MSFT]" <a-> schreef in bericht
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> "Eric",
>
> For the most part, just because a driver is not "updated" does not mean it
> will not run under SP2.
>
> Microsoft, for its part, makes contracts with OEMs to license our software
> with their offerings. While I do not wish to go into the entire
> arrangement, the drivers are not necessarily updated with Service Packs,
> even if software related to calling drivers might be. Just because a
> component is updated for security reasons does not necessarily mean that
an
> API will no longer work.
>
> Microsoft also makes efforts to educate the driver community through the
> Driver Development Kits, seminars, and Technet bulletins. There is even a
> great link for this information:
> Windows Hardware and Driver Central
> Driver Development: Getting Started
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/getstart/driverdev.mspx
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Pat Walters [MSFT]
>
>
> "Eric" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > Basically, I was assuming SP2 contained countless updated hardware
> > drivers, written or provided by MS
> >
> > If the company that build the PC does not provide SP2 compatible
propriety
> > software patches that are needed to get SP2 deployed
> > (many brands did offer them)
> > the customer is stuck with SP1.
> >
> > MS is not responsable for drivers,
> > but still, they might take a second look
> > at selling OEM XP licenses
> > when a PC supplier has a history of
> > not supporting a major service pack.
> >
> > As another victim with a Medion PC,
> > I wonder why MS is still licensing it's XP OEM to
> > a company that blatently leaves their customers in the cold.
> >
> > It's quite bad PR, not to mention all the frustrated
> > consumers....
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
> > news:OUjjG#...
> > > "what if a vendor doesn't..."
> > > That is entirely up to the vender.
> > > If your vender will not support your hardware, find a vender who will.
> > > Drivers are not and can not be Microsoft's responsibility.
> > > Whether Microsoft supports a Service Pack or not has no bearing on if
a
> > > vender supports their hardware.
> > > Those are two separate things and not connected.
> > >
> > > Also did you look at the link in my last post concerning support for
> > SP-2?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dutch User" <> wrote in message news:%
> > > > But what if a vendor doesn't come up with SP2 compatible drivers?
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft is still selling XP licences to OEM/PC builder Medion
> > > > (Medion.com - Germany),
> > > > although Medion stubbornly refused me to provide SP2 compatible
> > > > propriety hardware drivers for a machine that is only 3 y.o.
> > > > (it came with a licenced XP home OEM preinstalled and on CD,
pre-SP1)
> > > >
> > > > Does MS know that some of their XP licensed vendors
> > > > simply ignore their customers wanting to upgrade to SP2?
> > > >
> > > > And if MS knows, why are they still selling XP to these vendors?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>