Microsoft will try every trick in the book in order to keep Windows Vista sales alive

I never thought microsoft was capable of such a stupid thing like vista

Vista is one sick fat puppy.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...re-68573.shtml

Microsoft: We Are Selling Windows Vista! Yes, We Are! - Although statistics
contradict the Redmond company
By: Marius Oiaga, Technology News Editor


Enlarge pictureMicrosoft will try every trick in the book in order to keep
Windows Vista sales alive. But the consistent effort the Redmond company is
pouring into pushing its latest operating system gets farther everyday from
a marketing campaign and starts to resemble a desperate attempt to breathe
life into a product whose momentum is approaching a standstill at fast pace,
a few weeks short of the first nine months on the market. As if to
contradict various reports claiming that while overall sales of Vista are
still quite healthy, the adoption of the operating
system in the corporate environment is close to zero, Microsoft has made
available for download a customer solution case study for the platform.

Real-World Situations: Windows Vista Business Solution Case Studies paints
an entirely different picture than statistics from SunBelt, Context and
Panda Security. Microsoft doesn't play around with figures representing
Windows Vista Business sales, however three companies are applauded having
improved functionality, increased satisfaction and enhanced security, data
and communication by migrating to Windows Vista.

According to Pedro Bustamante, Senior Research Advisor Panda Security, Vista
has a share of just 0.92% of all the businesses managed by the company.
Market research company Context placed Vista Business sales at half those of
Windows XP Professional on the European market. Alex Eckelberry, president
of SunBelt, revealed that CounterSpy Enterprise detected Windows Vista RTM
build 6000 running on just 0.32% of the machines scanned. And at the other
end there's Microsoft. "With Windows Vista, we will have greater control
over the desktop and network that each user has access to, and we'll be
better able to manage... other security-related elements of the network,"
stated Michael Black, Senior Network Engineer, AWS Convergence Technologies.

"We wanted to make it easier for [employees] to work from home. We felt
that, with... Windows Vista we could encourage flexibility without
sacrificing the privacy of patients' medial information", added Gary
Wilhelm, Business and Financial Systems Manager, Englewood Hospital and
Medical Center. And Microsoft culminates with the words from Steve Sommer,
Chief Information Officer, Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP: "Users will enjoy
shared workspaces that are easily controlled, and will be able to access
documents internally and over the Internet through a single secure sign-on."

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...=Windows+Vista

7.38% of the market, fairly constant rate throughout the year.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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Gee. how much of that was forced on new computers.. &
how much of that are true installations and not:-->>>>

a) Rip-vista-off-install-xp-after
b) You get XP now with a free upgrade Vista Coupon (this happened a lot when
vista was launched), how many of those people really installed vista though?
c) Buy xp and dual boot Vista and XP- then forget about the vista nightmare
d) They had or bought a XP and formatted and installed even though the
machine came with Vista preinstalled.


you cant make vista look good sorry... MS is stretching the numbers like
those you have... .. because
it doesn't want its stock to fall...

So they are not lying.. perhaps they did sell vista.. but how much vista
remains.. and from that which remains, how many people are satisfied?

You are also providing wrong information. Vista sales have dropped during
the last months..
and the will drop more and more and more.







"Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
news:C1550C80-D974-43B9-9A82-...
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...=Windows+Vista
>
> 7.38% of the market, fairly constant rate throughout the year.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>
>

Taibear ios wrote:
> I never thought microsoft was capable of such a stupid thing like vista
>
> Vista is one sick fat puppy.
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...re-68573.shtml
>
> Microsoft: We Are Selling Windows Vista! Yes, We Are! - Although statistics
> contradict the Redmond company
> By: Marius Oiaga, Technology News Editor
>
>
> Enlarge pictureMicrosoft will try every trick in the book in order to keep
> Windows Vista sales alive. But the consistent effort the Redmond company is
> pouring into pushing its latest operating system gets farther everyday from
> a marketing campaign and starts to resemble a desperate attempt to breathe
> life into a product whose momentum is approaching a standstill at fast pace,
> a few weeks short of the first nine months on the market. As if to
> contradict various reports claiming that while overall sales of Vista are
> still quite healthy, the adoption of the operating
> system in the corporate environment is close to zero, Microsoft has made
> available for download a customer solution case study for the platform.
>
> Real-World Situations: Windows Vista Business Solution Case Studies paints
> an entirely different picture than statistics from SunBelt, Context and
> Panda Security. Microsoft doesn't play around with figures representing
> Windows Vista Business sales, however three companies are applauded having
> improved functionality, increased satisfaction and enhanced security, data
> and communication by migrating to Windows Vista.
>
> According to Pedro Bustamante, Senior Research Advisor Panda Security, Vista
> has a share of just 0.92% of all the businesses managed by the company.
> Market research company Context placed Vista Business sales at half those of
> Windows XP Professional on the European market. Alex Eckelberry, president
> of SunBelt, revealed that CounterSpy Enterprise detected Windows Vista RTM
> build 6000 running on just 0.32% of the machines scanned. And at the other
> end there's Microsoft. "With Windows Vista, we will have greater control
> over the desktop and network that each user has access to, and we'll be
> better able to manage... other security-related elements of the network,"
> stated Michael Black, Senior Network Engineer, AWS Convergence Technologies.
>
> "We wanted to make it easier for [employees] to work from home. We felt
> that, with... Windows Vista we could encourage flexibility without
> sacrificing the privacy of patients' medial information", added Gary
> Wilhelm, Business and Financial Systems Manager, Englewood Hospital and
> Medical Center. And Microsoft culminates with the words from Steve Sommer,
> Chief Information Officer, Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP: "Users will enjoy
> shared workspaces that are easily controlled, and will be able to access
> documents internally and over the Internet through a single secure sign-on."
>
>
I Am Looking Forward To Permanently Abandoning Windows Vista RTM On
Thursday In Favor Of The Soon To Be Released Open Source Linux Ubuntu
7.10 RTW (Which Is Coming Out On Thursday), Just FYI.

If you change XP to 98SE
And change Vista for XP
What you say is almost exactly what was said 6 years ago at the
release of Windows XP.

"how many of those people really installed vista though?"
Give us the statistic.
Also tell us what % installed Windows XP at the release.
Many people never did or did a year or so later.
Much of what you say is indicative of human nature to resist change
and says little of the current product.
Unless you know the total number and also know how many resisted
change, you will never know how many do not like something for a real
reason.
But the raw is more suitable to critics.

A few subtle but significant differences you and others conveniently
overlook.
1. Windows XP replaced Windows ME as the currently installed
consumer operating system.
2. Windows Vista is replacing Windows XP on the consumer side.
3. Windows ME never gained much popularity and many have always felt
it was bad from the beginning.
4. Windows XP matured to where many preferred it and felt safe and
secure using Windows XP.
Even if the adoption rate is less, that means little when more facts
are considered.
But go ahead, cherry pick what helps support what you want and ignore
that which does not.

"MS is stretching the numbers..."
Please list the source for this fact of yours.
Of course most businesses make the numbers look best in their favor,
but there is only so far they can go.

Do you have any real statistics?
Or is it nothing more than speculation filled with a lot of hot air?
So far little has been shown on either side of valid statistics.
The closest we have is the numbers of Windows Vista sold and a few
attempt to discredit those while showing nothing to support the
numbers are wrong.
True numbers with valid comparisons to past sales would be a good
place to start, but I doubt you have that information available.

So the question again is, do you have any verifiable facts or is it
nothing more than an opinion?

Windows Vista works good for me on two older computers.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Taibear ios" <> wrote in message
news:47155d51$...
> Gee. how much of that was forced on new computers.. &
> how much of that are true installations and not:-->>>>
>
> a) Rip-vista-off-install-xp-after
> b) You get XP now with a free upgrade Vista Coupon (this happened a
> lot when vista was launched), how many of those people really
> installed vista though?
> c) Buy xp and dual boot Vista and XP- then forget about the vista
> nightmare
> d) They had or bought a XP and formatted and installed even though
> the machine came with Vista preinstalled.
>
>
> you cant make vista look good sorry... MS is stretching the numbers
> like those you have... .. because
> it doesn't want its stock to fall...
>
> So they are not lying.. perhaps they did sell vista.. but how much
> vista remains.. and from that which remains, how many people are
> satisfied?
>
> You are also providing wrong information. Vista sales have dropped
> during the last months..
> and the will drop more and more and more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
> news:C1550C80-D974-43B9-9A82-...
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...=Windows+Vista
>>
>> 7.38% of the market, fairly constant rate throughout the year.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Smith,
>> Yeovil, UK.
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
>> http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
>> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>>
>> *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
>>
>>
>
>

When I first changed to Vista, the supplier warned me not to. The
supplier, who is supposed to think about profit margins and sales! I
went dual boot, but several weeks later switched over to a pure Vista
x64 environment.

I proved the nay-sayers wrong.

Vista works well for me. Correction. It works great. I get even better
performance with Vista than I ever did with XP.

Jupiter, I agree with your assessment. Let Taibear give us some hard
facts to backup his claim. But even so, he'll be hard pressed to
convince me to switch back to XP or to believe that Vista is a bad OS.

I personally believe these so-called "critics" are picking sour grapes,
because they know Microsoft got it right this time, and that they have
no grounds to stand on as far as Vista is concerned.


--
dzomlija

____________________________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...

- ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
- AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- ASUS nVidia 6600
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
- 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007

A lot of people i know , some my customers, are buying new computers.

And the flavor of the month is XP Pro, NOT vista!!!!!!!

"Taibear ios" wrote:

> Gee. how much of that was forced on new computers.. &
> how much of that are true installations and not:-->>>>
>
> a) Rip-vista-off-install-xp-after
> b) You get XP now with a free upgrade Vista Coupon (this happened a lot when
> vista was launched), how many of those people really installed vista though?
> c) Buy xp and dual boot Vista and XP- then forget about the vista nightmare
> d) They had or bought a XP and formatted and installed even though the
> machine came with Vista preinstalled.
>
>
> you cant make vista look good sorry... MS is stretching the numbers like
> those you have... .. because
> it doesn't want its stock to fall...
>
> So they are not lying.. perhaps they did sell vista.. but how much vista
> remains.. and from that which remains, how many people are satisfied?
>
> You are also providing wrong information. Vista sales have dropped during
> the last months..
> and the will drop more and more and more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Smith" <> wrote in message
> news:C1550C80-D974-43B9-9A82-...
> > http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repo...=Windows+Vista
> >
> > 7.38% of the market, fairly constant rate throughout the year.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Smith,
> > Yeovil, UK.
> > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> > http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
> > http://www.windowsresource.net/
> >
> > *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*
> >
> >
>
>
>

"Taibear ios" <> wrote in message
news:471554e7$...
>I never thought microsoft was capable of such a stupid thing like vista
>
> Vista is one sick fat puppy.
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...re-68573.shtml
>
> Microsoft: We Are Selling Windows Vista! Yes, We Are! - Although
> statistics contradict the Redmond company
> By: Marius Oiaga, Technology News Editor
>
>
> Enlarge pictureMicrosoft will try every trick in the book in order to keep
> Windows Vista sales alive. But the consistent effort the Redmond company
> is pouring into pushing its latest operating system gets farther everyday
> from a marketing campaign and starts to resemble a desperate attempt to
> breathe life into a product whose momentum is approaching a standstill at
> fast pace, a few weeks short of the first nine months on the market. As if
> to contradict various reports claiming that while overall sales of Vista
> are still quite healthy, the adoption of the operating
> system in the corporate environment is close to zero, Microsoft has made
> available for download a customer solution case study for the platform.
>
> Real-World Situations: Windows Vista Business Solution Case Studies paints
> an entirely different picture than statistics from SunBelt, Context and
> Panda Security. Microsoft doesn't play around with figures representing
> Windows Vista Business sales, however three companies are applauded having
> improved functionality, increased satisfaction and enhanced security, data
> and communication by migrating to Windows Vista.
>
> According to Pedro Bustamante, Senior Research Advisor Panda Security,
> Vista has a share of just 0.92% of all the businesses managed by the
> company. Market research company Context placed Vista Business sales at
> half those of Windows XP Professional on the European market. Alex
> Eckelberry, president of SunBelt, revealed that CounterSpy Enterprise
> detected Windows Vista RTM build 6000 running on just 0.32% of the
> machines scanned. And at the other end there's Microsoft. "With Windows
> Vista, we will have greater control over the desktop and network that each
> user has access to, and we'll be better able to manage... other
> security-related elements of the network," stated Michael Black, Senior
> Network Engineer, AWS Convergence Technologies.
>
> "We wanted to make it easier for [employees] to work from home. We felt
> that, with... Windows Vista we could encourage flexibility without
> sacrificing the privacy of patients' medial information", added Gary
> Wilhelm, Business and Financial Systems Manager, Englewood Hospital and
> Medical Center. And Microsoft culminates with the words from Steve Sommer,
> Chief Information Officer, Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP: "Users will enjoy
> shared workspaces that are easily controlled, and will be able to access
> documents internally and over the Internet through a single secure
> sign-on."
>


Yawn. I mean, really... yawn. "According to..." oh, triple yawn.

Lang

why would I want to convince you? If it works for you, good for you...

It is the masses that are having problems with this OS.

YOU are the naysayers who insist that the crap called vista is actually a
good product.

What makes something good is not a simple "it works for me". There is a
certain ecology or "enviornment" an OS must
fit into .. vista has faileed so bad its a joke! You are so blinded by your
crave for vista that you dont frikin care what the rest of the world
is going through.

I mean people have shot vista with a gun for crying out loud! lol

Your Ignorant and Arrogant reply was the reason I wrote this new post.

Enjoy Mr. King of naysayers!


-Reporter: Hi! so tell us a little about the course of the creation of
Vista. There are some people who are saying that vista is not so good. What
do you say?

-Microsoft developer: We had lots of feedback while beta testing vista
warning us about some issues , mainly the interface or performance.
Of course we knew about them! We cant make everyone happy! So we had to
decide what is best for the future... I mean we are Microsoft WE DECIDE what
goes on!

-Reporter: Good point, I am sure that whatever you would do there would
always be someone who would not like it.
So you plotted your own course, something that you thought best at the time.
Seems reasonable.

-Microsoft developer: Yeah! So we ignored all the "naysayer" beta testers
and did what we liked! What do they know?

-Reporter: I am sure the MS developers have the experience and know-how to
do this. Ignore all the feedback and do it "your own way"
Tell me how long have you done this job, and who are your fine co-workers?

-Microsoft developer: Who me? I just came out of collage, MS gave me a bunch
of monkeys and said "here are your coworkers".
We worked hard though.... thats why vista is so superb quality and
user-friendly!
I dont understand why people are raging about vista.... the monkeys love it!



--The above is fictional but may contain some elements of truth :-)


"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> When I first changed to Vista, the supplier warned me not to. The
> supplier, who is supposed to think about profit margins and sales! I
> went dual boot, but several weeks later switched over to a pure Vista
> x64 environment.
>
> I proved the nay-sayers wrong.
>
> Vista works well for me. Correction. It works great. I get even better
> performance with Vista than I ever did with XP.
>
> Jupiter, I agree with your assessment. Let Taibear give us some hard
> facts to backup his claim. But even so, he'll be hard pressed to
> convince me to switch back to XP or to believe that Vista is a bad OS.
>
> I personally believe these so-called "critics" are picking sour grapes,
> because they know Microsoft got it right this time, and that they have
> no grounds to stand on as far as Vista is concerned.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007