Middle Finger Salute

This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I walked away
from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came back, the computer had
rebooted because of an automatic update. I lost about two hours of work.

Middle Finger wrote:
> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I walked away
> from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came back, the computer had
> rebooted because of an automatic update. I lost about two hours of work.
>

And you don't even realize that it's your fault for setting Auto Updates
to download and install without your input. You got what you deserved
and maybe now you'll take a look at what your settings are for Auto
Update and change them accordingly.

M

Middle Finger wrote:
> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I
> walked away from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came
> back, the computer had rebooted because of an automatic update. I
> lost about two hours of work.

Yep - sucks when you don't save.

Suggest you also look into backups (nothing to do with this problem, but it
might prevent other issues in the future for you.)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

"Middle Finger" <Middle > wrote in message
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> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I walked away
> from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came back, the computer had
> rebooted because of an automatic update. I lost about two hours of work.
>

Maybe you should take your middle finger and shove it up your ass. YOU
control the update process. Educate yourself with that finger after you
remove it from your ass.



--


"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

Wow. What a stupid, unthinking reply!


"Zilbandy" <> wrote in message
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>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:30:01 -0800, Middle Finger <Middle
> > wrote:
>
>>This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I walked away
>>from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came back, the computer had
>>rebooted because of an automatic update. I lost about two hours of work.
>
> I guess maybe next time you'll save your work before taking a break. I
> wonder if that middle finger salute shouldn't have been to yourself?
> :/
>
> --
> Zilbandy

Perhaps a little thought before replying would have helped you understand
how dumb your reply it. A proper automatic update procedure would have
stopped the automatic restart if work had not been saved. It's not like
that's a difficult condition to detect.

David Dickinson

"M" <> wrote in message news:hde3ir$me4$...
> Middle Finger wrote:
>> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I walked away
>> from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came back, the computer
>> had rebooted because of an automatic update. I lost about two hours of
>> work.
>>
>
> And you don't even realize that it's your fault for setting Auto Updates
> to download and install without your input. You got what you deserved and
> maybe now you'll take a look at what your settings are for Auto Update and
> change them accordingly.
>
> M

Middle Finger wrote:
> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I
> walked away from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came
> back, the computer had rebooted because of an automatic update. I
> lost about two hours of work.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Yep - sucks when you don't save.
>
> Suggest you also look into backups (nothing to do with this
> problem, but it might prevent other issues in the future for you.)

In addition - turn off "automatic updates" - or at least change the settings
so *you* have control of when updates are either downloaded or installed or
both.

Also - how did you conclude it was an automatic update that caused the
reboot? Popup? Event log? Update History?

In any case there are two real hard-core rules to computer usage.

1) Save often.
2) Backup important data.

The situation you are in would have been end-result-equal had there been a
power outage (of any sort) or hard disk drive failure or some other
component failure in the machine. Heck - someone else walking up and
closing the application you were using and clicking "no" to "save work"
would be equivalent.

Your saving your work often and/or at least right before you grant full
control of the computer to the universe when walking away is just common
sense/wise. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

That's good advice. The SAVE function can be a real life SAVEr (my
apologies). I tell my users that anything they leave on the screen
overnight that isn't saved is going to get lost, but they sometimes need to
experience the consequences of not saving more than once.

David Dickinson

"Shenan Stanley" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Middle Finger wrote:
>> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I
>> walked away from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came
>> back, the computer had rebooted because of an automatic update. I
>> lost about two hours of work.
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> Yep - sucks when you don't save.
>>
>> Suggest you also look into backups (nothing to do with this
>> problem, but it might prevent other issues in the future for you.)
>
> In addition - turn off "automatic updates" - or at least change the
> settings so *you* have control of when updates are either downloaded or
> installed or both.
>
> Also - how did you conclude it was an automatic update that caused the
> reboot? Popup? Event log? Update History?
>
> In any case there are two real hard-core rules to computer usage.
>
> 1) Save often.
> 2) Backup important data.
>
> The situation you are in would have been end-result-equal had there been a
> power outage (of any sort) or hard disk drive failure or some other
> component failure in the machine. Heck - someone else walking up and
> closing the application you were using and clicking "no" to "save work"
> would be equivalent.
>
> Your saving your work often and/or at least right before you grant full
> control of the computer to the universe when walking away is just common
> sense/wise. ;-)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

Middle Finger wrote:
> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I
> walked away from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came
> back, the computer had rebooted because of an automatic update. I
> lost about two hours of work.

M wrote:
> And you don't even realize that it's your fault for setting Auto
> Updates to download and install without your input. You got what
> you deserved and maybe now you'll take a look at what your settings
> are for Auto Update and change them accordingly.

David Dickinson wrote:
> Perhaps a little thought before replying would have helped you
> understand how dumb your reply it. A proper automatic update
> procedure would have stopped the automatic restart if work had not
> been saved. It's not like that's a difficult condition to detect.

A little effort on the one component in this equation with sentient
abilities isn't above a certain level of expectation.

- Worked on it for two hours.
- Walked away from the computer for 30 minutes.
- Could have - at any time - clicked "save" or had configured whatever
application being used to automatically save on occasion.

Yes - there might be an exception: it was crunching data, processing it for
two hours. And whatever process it was doing could not be paused and its
current status saved. Seen it. This doesn't sound like that - but could
be. And unless the OP is just bored (or you are the OP) I doubt they will
ever return here to tell the tale.

What was the wise choice there? It's essentially common knowledge that if
left to its default settings - Windows *will* install updates and reboot as
needed, when needed.

Could the process be improved (like *try* to do checks for unsaved work in
the thousand of possible applications no one may ever know anything about
and/or for processes that are running above a certain percentage of the CPU
or something) - sure - but it has not.

However, one has been given the ability to configure their own settings.
One can determine how/if Windows will retrieve/install updates for them. If
someone will be doing something where they don't want to lose work (for
whatever reason) - then they should definitely make sure such things are
done. It doesn't (by any stretch of the imagination) cover every situation
that might come up and lose the work if not properly saved - but it is one
less thing to worry about.

Automatic Updates are *not* new - nor are the reboot 'issues' people have.
Live and learn.

In any case there are two real hard-core rules to computer usage.

1) Save often.
2) Backup important data.

The situation the OP is in would have been end-result-equal had
there been a power outage (of any sort) or hard disk drive failure
or some other component failure in the machine. Heck - someone
else walking up and closing the application they were using and
clicking "no" to "save work" would be equivalent.

Saving your work often and/or at least right before you grant full
control of the computer to the universe when walking away is just common
sense/wise. ;-)

In the end - the sentient being could have accounted for the flaws in the
equipment they were using more easily/aptly/quicky than the equipment they
are using can account for the flaws in the sentient being.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Middle Finger wrote:
> This is a middle finger salute for the folks at Microsoft. I
> walked away from my computer for about 30 minutes. When I came
> back, the computer had rebooted because of an automatic update. I
> lost about two hours of work.

Zilbandy wrote:
> I guess maybe next time you'll save your work before taking a
> break. I wonder if that middle finger salute shouldn't have been to
> yourself? :/

David Dickinson wrote:
> Wow. What a stupid, unthinking reply!

A little effort on the one component in this equation with sentient
abilities isn't above a certain level of expectation.

- Worked on it for two hours.
- Walked away from the computer for 30 minutes.
- Could have - at any time - clicked "save" or had configured whatever
application being used to automatically save on occasion.

Yes - there might be an exception: it was crunching data, processing it for
two hours. And whatever process it was doing could not be paused and its
current status saved. Seen it. This doesn't sound like that - but could
be. And unless the OP is just bored (or you are the OP) I doubt they will
ever return here to tell the tale.

What was the wise choice there? It's essentially common knowledge that if
left to its default settings - Windows *will* install updates and reboot as
needed, when needed.

Could the process be improved (like *try* to do checks for unsaved work in
the thousand of possible applications no one may ever know anything about
and/or for processes that are running above a certain percentage of the CPU
or something) - sure - but it has not.

However, one has been given the ability to configure their own settings.
One can determine how/if Windows will retrieve/install updates for them. If
someone will be doing something where they don't want to lose work (for
whatever reason) - then they should definitely make sure such things are
done. It doesn't (by any stretch of the imagination) cover every situation
that might come up and lose the work if not properly saved - but it is one
less thing to worry about.

Automatic Updates are *not* new - nor are the reboot 'issues' people have.
Live and learn.

In any case there are two real hard-core rules to computer usage.

1) Save often.
2) Backup important data.

The situation the OP is in would have been end-result-equal had
there been a power outage (of any sort) or hard disk drive failure
or some other component failure in the machine. Heck - someone
else walking up and closing the application they were using and
clicking "no" to "save work" would be equivalent.

Saving your work often and/or at least right before you grant full
control of the computer to the universe when walking away is just common
sense/wise. ;-)

In the end - the sentient being could have accounted for the flaws in the
equipment they were using more easily/aptly/quicky than the equipment they
are using can account for the flaws in the sentient being.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html