Migrating Outlook 2000 into Vista

I am NOT happy at this moment, and I resent the constant BS product upgrades
of Microsoft that end up burying software that WAS NOT FREE and WORKED FINE,
costing the USER unnecessary $ and time.

My PC's power supply crashed, so I bought another, obviously with Vista
running. I have the hard drive installed as a slave in the chassis. But when
I try to run Outlook, it says I must reinstall. I don't have the that
software anymore. When I boot from the slave, I get my XP running, and I can
use outlook, but the NIC hardware is not recognized and it won't find the
internet.

Migration of data and programs used to be included in folder relocation
under earlier OS versions. Why is it not now, or if it is, where is it?

Your migration wizard program is a travesty, it assumes the OS and the
situation of a non-stressed migration.

RSVP FAST

Jim in Jersey wrote:
> I am NOT happy at this moment, and I resent the constant BS product upgrades
> of Microsoft that end up burying software that WAS NOT FREE and WORKED FINE,
> costing the USER unnecessary $ and time.
>
> My PC's power supply crashed, so I bought another, obviously with Vista
> running. I have the hard drive installed as a slave in the chassis. But when
> I try to run Outlook, it says I must reinstall. I don't have the that
> software anymore. When I boot from the slave, I get my XP running, and I can
> use outlook, but the NIC hardware is not recognized and it won't find the
> internet.
>
> Migration of data and programs used to be included in folder relocation
> under earlier OS versions. Why is it not now, or if it is, where is it?
>
> Your migration wizard program is a travesty, it assumes the OS and the
> situation of a non-stressed migration.
>
> RSVP FAST

You are not talking to Microsoft here. This is a public newsgroup hosted
on Microsoft servers. Although MS employees occasionally post here, the
vast majority of people who help (like me) are volunteers who do not
work for the company. So although I understand your frustration, being
rude to people who are here to help you is counter-productive. Now that
you understand it is not *our* "migration wizard program", let's go on.

None of the MS operating systems have ever had the ability to transfer
programs. There is a beta program-mover associated with the Vista
Windows Easy Transfer (WET) but I've never tried it. And it's beta.
Historically third-party program-mover software's rate of success is
iffy and I am skeptical that it would be successful with a program like
Outlook. WET by itself doesn't transfer programs. You need to install
programs on the new Vista machine first and then use WET. Or for
Outlook, simply export your .pst file from the old system and open it in
Outlook on the new system. Naturally you must have Outlook installed on
the new system first.

I'm sorry that you have lost your Office 2000 installation disk(s).
Regrettably, unless you can find a friend with an identical version's
installation disk *and* you kept your Office 2000 Product Key and have
it available, you will need to purchase a current version of MS Office.

As far as your dual-boot goes, you put an existing XP installation on
new hardware. You were fortunate that it even booted at all. In most
cases you must do a Repair Install when you do this. This has nothing to
do with Vista. Because your hardware is different, you will need to find
XP drivers for the hardware in your new computer and install them in XP.
Go to the computer mftr.'s website for your specific model computer and
get the drivers for the XP operating system. Obviously you will need to
do this from your Vista install which apparently works.


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Oh, excuse me, I like a perfect idiot click on the "Microsoft Support" Link
from their NEW VISTA HELP MENU and I get NON-MS Volunteers.

Wow, what an idiot I am for making that mistake. I guess really smart
people would click on MS Help and EXPECT NOT to get Microsoft.

Oh, well...no offense to you, but I am frustrated with this Plant
Obsolescence Game that MS pulls, without apparent consequence.

You know, I click on my Star Office 7 icon and up she comes. Amazing how a
customer-friendly company will endeavor to protect your investment. I wonder
why Microsoft leaves its customers in the dirt with its dirty OS upgrades and
non-compatibility issues.

But I know, I know, it's not your fault. And you are right, MS has NEVER
guaranteed compatibility with its next generation of software. Buyer beware.
But, you know, the software comes pre-installed, doesn't it? You don't
really get to choose, do you?

THanks for the info, Malke, I all kidding aside understand you didn't make
the OS.

"Malke" wrote:

> Jim in Jersey wrote:
> > I am NOT happy at this moment, and I resent the constant BS product upgrades
> > of Microsoft that end up burying software that WAS NOT FREE and WORKED FINE,
> > costing the USER unnecessary $ and time.
> >
> > My PC's power supply crashed, so I bought another, obviously with Vista
> > running. I have the hard drive installed as a slave in the chassis. But when
> > I try to run Outlook, it says I must reinstall. I don't have the that
> > software anymore. When I boot from the slave, I get my XP running, and I can
> > use outlook, but the NIC hardware is not recognized and it won't find the
> > internet.
> >
> > Migration of data and programs used to be included in folder relocation
> > under earlier OS versions. Why is it not now, or if it is, where is it?
> >
> > Your migration wizard program is a travesty, it assumes the OS and the
> > situation of a non-stressed migration.
> >
> > RSVP FAST
>
> You are not talking to Microsoft here. This is a public newsgroup hosted
> on Microsoft servers. Although MS employees occasionally post here, the
> vast majority of people who help (like me) are volunteers who do not
> work for the company. So although I understand your frustration, being
> rude to people who are here to help you is counter-productive. Now that
> you understand it is not *our* "migration wizard program", let's go on.
>
> None of the MS operating systems have ever had the ability to transfer
> programs. There is a beta program-mover associated with the Vista
> Windows Easy Transfer (WET) but I've never tried it. And it's beta.
> Historically third-party program-mover software's rate of success is
> iffy and I am skeptical that it would be successful with a program like
> Outlook. WET by itself doesn't transfer programs. You need to install
> programs on the new Vista machine first and then use WET. Or for
> Outlook, simply export your .pst file from the old system and open it in
> Outlook on the new system. Naturally you must have Outlook installed on
> the new system first.
>
> I'm sorry that you have lost your Office 2000 installation disk(s).
> Regrettably, unless you can find a friend with an identical version's
> installation disk *and* you kept your Office 2000 Product Key and have
> it available, you will need to purchase a current version of MS Office.
>
> As far as your dual-boot goes, you put an existing XP installation on
> new hardware. You were fortunate that it even booted at all. In most
> cases you must do a Repair Install when you do this. This has nothing to
> do with Vista. Because your hardware is different, you will need to find
> XP drivers for the hardware in your new computer and install them in XP.
> Go to the computer mftr.'s website for your specific model computer and
> get the drivers for the XP operating system. Obviously you will need to
> do this from your Vista install which apparently works.
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

Jim if you buy a computer with pre-installed software then you chose to have
it I would guess. If you buy a computer without software then it your choice
to pay for ,say Word or get Star Office., you takes your pick.

--
Ian

"Jim in Jersey" <> wrote in message
news:A217E706-7902-488E-A0E1-...
> Oh, excuse me, I like a perfect idiot click on the "Microsoft Support"
> Link
> from their NEW VISTA HELP MENU and I get NON-MS Volunteers.
>
> Wow, what an idiot I am for making that mistake. I guess really smart
> people would click on MS Help and EXPECT NOT to get Microsoft.
>
> Oh, well...no offense to you, but I am frustrated with this Plant
> Obsolescence Game that MS pulls, without apparent consequence.
>
> You know, I click on my Star Office 7 icon and up she comes. Amazing how
> a
> customer-friendly company will endeavor to protect your investment. I
> wonder
> why Microsoft leaves its customers in the dirt with its dirty OS upgrades
> and
> non-compatibility issues.
>
> But I know, I know, it's not your fault. And you are right, MS has NEVER
> guaranteed compatibility with its next generation of software. Buyer
> beware.
> But, you know, the software comes pre-installed, doesn't it? You don't
> really get to choose, do you?
>
> THanks for the info, Malke, I all kidding aside understand you didn't make
> the OS.
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
>> Jim in Jersey wrote:
>> > I am NOT happy at this moment, and I resent the constant BS product
>> > upgrades
>> > of Microsoft that end up burying software that WAS NOT FREE and WORKED
>> > FINE,
>> > costing the USER unnecessary $ and time.
>> >
>> > My PC's power supply crashed, so I bought another, obviously with Vista
>> > running. I have the hard drive installed as a slave in the chassis.
>> > But when
>> > I try to run Outlook, it says I must reinstall. I don't have the that
>> > software anymore. When I boot from the slave, I get my XP running, and
>> > I can
>> > use outlook, but the NIC hardware is not recognized and it won't find
>> > the
>> > internet.
>> >
>> > Migration of data and programs used to be included in folder relocation
>> > under earlier OS versions. Why is it not now, or if it is, where is
>> > it?
>> >
>> > Your migration wizard program is a travesty, it assumes the OS and the
>> > situation of a non-stressed migration.
>> >
>> > RSVP FAST
>>
>> You are not talking to Microsoft here. This is a public newsgroup hosted
>> on Microsoft servers. Although MS employees occasionally post here, the
>> vast majority of people who help (like me) are volunteers who do not
>> work for the company. So although I understand your frustration, being
>> rude to people who are here to help you is counter-productive. Now that
>> you understand it is not *our* "migration wizard program", let's go on.
>>
>> None of the MS operating systems have ever had the ability to transfer
>> programs. There is a beta program-mover associated with the Vista
>> Windows Easy Transfer (WET) but I've never tried it. And it's beta.
>> Historically third-party program-mover software's rate of success is
>> iffy and I am skeptical that it would be successful with a program like
>> Outlook. WET by itself doesn't transfer programs. You need to install
>> programs on the new Vista machine first and then use WET. Or for
>> Outlook, simply export your .pst file from the old system and open it in
>> Outlook on the new system. Naturally you must have Outlook installed on
>> the new system first.
>>
>> I'm sorry that you have lost your Office 2000 installation disk(s).
>> Regrettably, unless you can find a friend with an identical version's
>> installation disk *and* you kept your Office 2000 Product Key and have
>> it available, you will need to purchase a current version of MS Office.
>>
>> As far as your dual-boot goes, you put an existing XP installation on
>> new hardware. You were fortunate that it even booted at all. In most
>> cases you must do a Repair Install when you do this. This has nothing to
>> do with Vista. Because your hardware is different, you will need to find
>> XP drivers for the hardware in your new computer and install them in XP.
>> Go to the computer mftr.'s website for your specific model computer and
>> get the drivers for the XP operating system. Obviously you will need to
>> do this from your Vista install which apparently works.
>>
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>
>

"Jim in Jersey" <> wrote:

I am NOT happy at this moment, and I resent the constant BS product upgrades
of Microsoft that end up burying software that WAS NOT FREE and WORKED FINE,
costing the USER unnecessary $ and time.

*snip*

Your migration wizard program is a travesty, it assumes the OS and the
situation of a non-stressed migration.

RSVP FAST

*snip*

Oh, excuse me, I like a perfect idiot click on the "Microsoft Support" Link
from their NEW VISTA HELP MENU and I get NON-MS Volunteers.

Wow, what an idiot I am for making that mistake. I guess really smart
people would click on MS Help and EXPECT NOT to get Microsoft.

*snip*
**************
With that nasty attitude of yours you can forget about getting much help
here. The volunteers here have better things to do than deal with jerks like
you.

Sue

Jim in Jersey wrote:

(snip rant)

> But I know, I know, it's not your fault. And you are right, MS has NEVER
> guaranteed compatibility with its next generation of software. Buyer beware.
> But, you know, the software comes pre-installed, doesn't it? You don't
> really get to choose, do you?
>
> THanks for the info, Malke, I all kidding aside understand you didn't make
> the OS.

No, and if you were using a real newsreader instead of the dreadful web
interface (and I'll give you information on that below just in case you
might be interested) you could look at my headers and see that not only
did I not make Windows, I am not using it. You have that choice, too.

Here's information about getting more out of newsgroups:

Since you are using the web interface, you may not realize that this is
really a newsgroup. You will get far more out of this resource if you
learn to use a newsreader. There are many good newsreaders for Windows,
but you can use Outlook Express (XP) or Windows Mail (Vista) since you
already have it. Here are some links to information about newsgroups:

About Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ - Usenet FAQs from the Internet FAQ Archives
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html - The Seven Don'ts of Usenet
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/index.html - further reading on
Usenet, including recommended reading for netiquette issues
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet - a brief
explanation of newsgroups

Using Outlook Express as Newsreader:
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outloo...snewreader.htm
http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express Newsreader
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...roupsetup.mspx

How to Post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
working properly
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/munad.htm - how to munge email address
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting - multiposting vs. crossposting

Other Newsreaders for Windows:
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
http://www.mozilla.org - Thunderbird
http://gravity.tbates.org/
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
http://xnews.newsguy.com/


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Sue wrote:
>
> "Jim in Jersey" <> wrote:
**************
> With that nasty attitude of yours you can forget about getting much help
> here. The volunteers here have better things to do than deal with jerks
> like you.
>
> Sue

(much snippage)

Actually Sue, he did get answers and he's just so frustrated that he
forgot his manners. All is better now in terms of that. Unfortunately,
all is not better in terms of his Outlook situation but he knows what he
has to do.


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:02:05 -0700, Jim in Jersey <Jim in
> wrote:


> My PC's power supply crashed, so I bought another, obviously with Vista
> running. I have the hard drive installed as a slave in the chassis. But when
> I try to run Outlook, it says I must reinstall. I don't have the that
> software anymore.


Sorry to hear you don't have it any more, but all Windows programs,
regardless of version, work this way. You can't just run an installed
program unless all its registry entries (and other references) are
preserved. Since your old hard drive's registry is not in use when
running Vista, programs on it won't work.


> Your migration wizard program is a travesty, it assumes the OS and the
> situation of a non-stressed migration.


"Your" migration wizard? I'm not sure whom you think you're
addressing, but just in case you're confused, let me make it very
clear: this isn't Microsoft you're addressing.

This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows Vista users
here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft
employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names;
that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful
advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially
on his own time.


> RSVP FAST


When asking volunteers for help, a little politeness goes a long way.
Most of us don't take well to being told things like "RSVP FAST."


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

I think you will find that Outlook 2000 is not compatible with Vista.
Outlook 2003 is the earliest version compatible.
"Malke" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Jim in Jersey wrote:
>
> (snip rant)
>
>> But I know, I know, it's not your fault. And you are right, MS has NEVER
>> guaranteed compatibility with its next generation of software. Buyer
>> beware.
>> But, you know, the software comes pre-installed, doesn't it? You don't
>> really get to choose, do you?
>>
>> THanks for the info, Malke, I all kidding aside understand you didn't
>> make the OS.
>
> No, and if you were using a real newsreader instead of the dreadful web
> interface (and I'll give you information on that below just in case you
> might be interested) you could look at my headers and see that not only
> did I not make Windows, I am not using it. You have that choice, too.
>
> Here's information about getting more out of newsgroups:
>
> Since you are using the web interface, you may not realize that this is
> really a newsgroup. You will get far more out of this resource if you
> learn to use a newsreader. There are many good newsreaders for Windows,
> but you can use Outlook Express (XP) or Windows Mail (Vista) since you
> already have it. Here are some links to information about newsgroups:
>
> About Usenet:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ - Usenet FAQs from the Internet FAQ Archives
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html - The Seven Don'ts of
> Usenet
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/index.html - further reading on
> Usenet, including recommended reading for netiquette issues
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet - a brief
> explanation of newsgroups
>
> Using Outlook Express as Newsreader:
> http://michaelstevenstech.com/outloo...snewreader.htm
> http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
> Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express Newsreader
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...roupsetup.mspx
>
> How to Post:
> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
> microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
> working properly
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/munad.htm - how to munge email address
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting - multiposting vs. crossposting
>
> Other Newsreaders for Windows:
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
> http://www.mozilla.org - Thunderbird
> http://gravity.tbates.org/
> http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
> http://xnews.newsguy.com/
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

"Jim in Jersey" <Jim in > wrote ...
> My PC's power supply crashed, so I bought another, obviously with Vista
> running. I have the hard drive installed as a slave in the chassis. But
> when
> I try to run Outlook, it says I must reinstall. I don't have the that

Malke and others have already clarified that this is a public newsgroup, not
a Microsoft outfit; and you're talking to a bunch of users who are, in
varying degreees, also wrestling with problems using Vista. We co-operate
and help each other out. That's how the forum works (reasonably well,
mostly).

If you want to report a bug, or send any feedback about Vista, you can do it
here:
http://feedback.windowsvista.microso...om/gp/cp_vista
As noted on that page, Microsoft don't guarantee to provide individual
replies. But your feedback has a better chance of reaching the Product Group
in Microsoft that a post here.

As a comment: there's nothing Microsoft would love more than closer
integration between Windows and Office; so that they were sold as single
product for example; or that the "Easy Transfer" feature transferred both
data, *and* existing Office applications to a new system. That would make a
lot of money for Microsoft; and probably be convenient for users, too.
However ... Microsoft is in a tightly controlled straightjacket, as a result
of anti-trust investigation by the US Government since 1990. This
investigation lead to the action started in 1998 and settled in 2004. On eof
the efects of that anti-trust action is that Microsoft has to keep a strict
firewall betwem Microsoft products which are operating systems (such as
Windows) and Microsoft products which are user applications (such as
Office). If Microaoft provided some way to transfer the Outlook program to a
new installation, they would need to provide the same facility (or at least
a tested and supported API for 3rd party vendors) to also transfer Lotus
Notes, Novell Groupwise, AOL, Pegasus, Netscape, Eudora, and any other email
product out there.

So from the end user's poin tof view, we think "Sheesh - Windows is
Microsoft and Outlook is Microsoft, why can't Microsoft get its act
together?". Microsoft makes many mistakes and sometimes does stupid things,
but they aren't *that* stupid. Program managers at Microsoft know exactly
your use scenario, and would love to develop a solution. But it's a legal
minefield, where the cost of the poroject would carry not only developer
time, etc like any normal project; but a $20 billion kitty to cover the
legal fees (even if hey didn't get prosecuted, they'd need an army of
lawyers laying out preparatory defences)

(Note, I am making no claims about the rights and wrongs of the anti-trust
case. I'm just recording it, as a fact of life, to explain Microsoft's
situation).

> software anymore. When I boot from the slave, I get my XP running, and I
> can
> use outlook, but the NIC hardware is not recognized and it won't find the
> internet.

That is pretty easy to fix. Your old XP installation doesn't know anything
about your new hardware. Fortunately it is booting okay. As Malke suggested,
now you just need the right XP network card drivers for your hardware, and
you should be online.

Moving forward, you also need to obtain a copy of Outlook and install it
onto your new Vista installation. Then you can read your PST file. If you
got Office media with your old PC, you're in luck; just run it on the new
PC. If your old PC came with Outlook installed, but no Outlook CD-ROM, then
it's a bit tricky, I agreee.

> RSVP FAST

You'd probably got the message now, but you're talking to a bunch of
volunteers who are just "hanging out" in our spare time. If you need
guaranteed response times for support issues, you need to get a support
agreement with Microsoft. If you are a large company, you can negotiate a
Premier Agreement, which does carry hard guaranteed responses, 24x7, onsite
support, etc. You can get that level of support but you do need to pay for
it (FWIW, Microsoft is cheaper than IBM GS support).

Hope this helps,
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au