Missing VGA driver

rh0000,

I didn't make the connection between "full screen mode" and using DOS. So,
you're using DOS programs in Vista. That fact throws a whole new light on
the subject. I didn't know we could use DOS in Vista. How are you managing
to do that? I always like to learn something.
--
freddy


"rh0000" wrote:

> Dear JW, Thanks for giving me a reply. You say you have "no problems" with
> your Vista drivers and your 945 chipset. Do you mean you can run programs in
> "full screen" mode? If so, I will certainly download new drivers. But if you
> can't run programs in "full screen" mode, then my problem remains. I, too,
> have no problems with the 945 chipset Vista drivers, apart from the fact
> (which is important to me) that they won't let me run some of my older
> DOS-based software which requires "full screen" mode.
>
> "JW" wrote:
>
> > I have an HP laptop with the 945 chipset and have no problems I am using
> > Intel Vista drivers dated 3/20/2007 (version 7.14.10.1244) which I got from
> > the HP Website when I installed Vista so if your 945 drivers are older then
> > mine I suggest you check again with the Toshiba Website for an updated set.
> > "rh0000" <> wrote in message
> > news:677FBFB7-6B1E-4B93-905B-...
> > > Dear Freddy, Many thanks for your continued interest in my problem. In the
> > > past few minutes, I had the bright (?) idea of uninstalling my video
> > > driver
> > > in an attempt to get my laptop to revert to the VGA driver. This has sort
> > > of
> > > worked, in that I now have a video driver VgaSave, a non plug and play
> > > driver
> > > according to Device Manager. This enables me to run programs in full
> > > screen
> > > mode, and the rest of the programs are fine as well. However, it has also
> > > meant that I no longer have a separate listing (apart from under
> > > non-plug-and-play) for the video driver. In particular, there is nothing I
> > > can roll back. However, I do recall that previously, when I was trying to
> > > locate the disappeared VGA driver, I found the menu to which you refer,
> > > but
> > > the "roll back" box was unavailable. So the situation is: I'm happy for
> > > the
> > > moment in that I can run programs full screen; I'm a little concerned that
> > > I
> > > may have stored up problems for the future; and for the moment I can't
> > > follow
> > > your suggestions in any case. Things will probably have to stay that way
> > > for
> > > the time being, though I expect they may change after my next Windows
> > > update,
> > > when I may approach you once more! Anyway, thanks again.
> > >
> > >
> > > "freddy" wrote:
> > >
> > >> rh0000,
> > >>
> > >> OK, in Device Manager under Properties for the VGA adapter and under the
> > >> Drivers tab, click on Roll Back Driver.
> > >> --
> > >> freddy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "rh0000" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Thanks for replying promptly, but your reply doesn't really answer my
> > >> > question. I don't want to install the "proper" driver for my laptop. I
> > >> > already have the proper driver, one for the Intel 945 chipset on my
> > >> > laptop,
> > >> > but because it won't operate in full screen mode it won't let me do
> > >> > what I
> > >> > want. So I want to swap this driver for a VGA driver. I have done this
> > >> > successfully until a few days ago but am no longer able to do so. A
> > >> > number of
> > >> > sources say that Vista includes (somewhere) a VGA driver, and as I say
> > >> > I have
> > >> > previously managed to install this and it worked fine, allowing me to
> > >> > run
> > >> > programs in full screen mode. But now I find that this VGA driver is no
> > >> > longer available to me, though it once was, and I want to know how I
> > >> > can
> > >> > access it again. My manufacturer's website (Toshiba) will only provide
> > >> > drivers for the Intel 945 chipset, not the VGA driver which I am told
> > >> > exists
> > >> > in Vista, so my problem remains.
> > >> >
> > >> > "freddy" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > rh0000,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It's unlikely that the Standard VGA driver is the correct driver for
> > >> > > your
> > >> > > laptop. Standard VGA produces 640 x 480 resolution by default. Your
> > >> > > laptop
> > >> > > should be set to its native resolution, which you likely know what
> > >> > > that
> > >> > > setting is. I don't know what graphics adapter driver Vista
> > >> > > installed when
> > >> > > you installed Vista. Your need to determine what driver is correct
> > >> > > for your
> > >> > > laptop and install that.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A good way to begin determining the proper driver, is to visit the
> > >> > > website
> > >> > > of the manufacturer of your laptop. At the site, search for the
> > >> > > correct
> > >> > > Vista graphics adapter driver and download and install that.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > After making sure you have the correct driver installed, set your
> > >> > > monitor
> > >> > > resolution to its native resolution, which you can determine by
> > >> > > looking in
> > >> > > the documentation that came with your laptop, or by finding it at the
> > >> > > manufacturers website, if you don't already know what it is. You
> > >> > > already
> > >> > > know where in Windows you set that resolution setting, from you prior
> > >> > > comments.
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > freddy
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "rh0000" wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > I have Vista Home Basic and until recently have used the VGA
> > >> > > > monitor driver
> > >> > > > which comes with Vista, instead of using the Intel 945 driver which
> > >> > > > is the
> > >> > > > default monitor driver on my laptop. This is because I have some
> > >> > > > software
> > >> > > > which needs to use “full screen� mode, and which won’t work if you
> > >> > > > attempt to
> > >> > > > open the software in a window. (The VGA driver will work in full
> > >> > > > screen mode,
> > >> > > > but the Intel 945 driver won't.) I accessed the VGA adapter via
> > >> > > > start /
> > >> > > > control panel / appearance / personalisation / display settings /
> > >> > > > advanced
> > >> > > > settings / adapter / properties / driver / update driver / browse
> > >> > > > my computer
> > >> > > > for driver software / let me pick from a list. Following this path
> > >> > > > gave me a
> > >> > > > list of available monitor drivers, including a standard VGA driver.
> > >> > > > I
> > >> > > > installed this and it worked well, though I had to reinstall it
> > >> > > > every few
> > >> > > > days as each time I had a Windows update I found that the Intel 945
> > >> > > > driver
> > >> > > > was reinstalled. However, I now find that the standard VGA driver
> > >> > > > has
> > >> > > > disappeared from the list of available drivers, so I can’t install
> > >> > > > it any
> > >> > > > more. Where has it gone and how can I get it back again? I imagine
> > >> > > > that the
> > >> > > > driver itself hasn’t disappeared, but that some link is no longer
> > >> > > > accessed.
> > >> > > > Can anyone help me?
> >

You ask how I manage to use DOS in Vista, and I'm not sure how I manage it,
because I find getting to grips with Vista pretty baffling, and quite often
when I do something I'm not really sure how I did it. But I understand that
while Vista doesn't have DOS "underneath" it, there is a DOS emulator
somewhere in Vista, so it should be possible. All I know is that I copied
some DOS programs into a folder on my hard drive and then clicked on the exe
file, and the DOS program opened and ran in a window. Another way is to go to
start, then run, then type in "c:\folder\program.exe" or whatever. It seems
to work for me, so try it and see! The DOS program opens and runs in a
window, but some of the programs I want to use require "full screen" mode,
which is where my problems started. The program I particularly want to use is
called LocoscriptPC, which has a full word processing package plus dictionary
taking up only about 1MB of space, and which has all the features I want and
none of the irritating junk you find in Word. But I may have to abandon my
search for using Locoscript in Vista.


"freddy" wrote:

> rh0000,
>
> I didn't make the connection between "full screen mode" and using DOS. So,
> you're using DOS programs in Vista. That fact throws a whole new light on
> the subject. I didn't know we could use DOS in Vista. How are you managing
> to do that? I always like to learn something.
> --
> freddy
>
>
> "rh0000" wrote:
>
> > Dear JW, Thanks for giving me a reply. You say you have "no problems" with
> > your Vista drivers and your 945 chipset. Do you mean you can run programs in
> > "full screen" mode? If so, I will certainly download new drivers. But if you
> > can't run programs in "full screen" mode, then my problem remains. I, too,
> > have no problems with the 945 chipset Vista drivers, apart from the fact
> > (which is important to me) that they won't let me run some of my older
> > DOS-based software which requires "full screen" mode.
> >
> > "JW" wrote:
> >
> > > I have an HP laptop with the 945 chipset and have no problems I am using
> > > Intel Vista drivers dated 3/20/2007 (version 7.14.10.1244) which I got from
> > > the HP Website when I installed Vista so if your 945 drivers are older then
> > > mine I suggest you check again with the Toshiba Website for an updated set.
> > > "rh0000" <> wrote in message
> > > news:677FBFB7-6B1E-4B93-905B-...
> > > > Dear Freddy, Many thanks for your continued interest in my problem. In the
> > > > past few minutes, I had the bright (?) idea of uninstalling my video
> > > > driver
> > > > in an attempt to get my laptop to revert to the VGA driver. This has sort
> > > > of
> > > > worked, in that I now have a video driver VgaSave, a non plug and play
> > > > driver
> > > > according to Device Manager. This enables me to run programs in full
> > > > screen
> > > > mode, and the rest of the programs are fine as well. However, it has also
> > > > meant that I no longer have a separate listing (apart from under
> > > > non-plug-and-play) for the video driver. In particular, there is nothing I
> > > > can roll back. However, I do recall that previously, when I was trying to
> > > > locate the disappeared VGA driver, I found the menu to which you refer,
> > > > but
> > > > the "roll back" box was unavailable. So the situation is: I'm happy for
> > > > the
> > > > moment in that I can run programs full screen; I'm a little concerned that
> > > > I
> > > > may have stored up problems for the future; and for the moment I can't
> > > > follow
> > > > your suggestions in any case. Things will probably have to stay that way
> > > > for
> > > > the time being, though I expect they may change after my next Windows
> > > > update,
> > > > when I may approach you once more! Anyway, thanks again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "freddy" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> rh0000,
> > > >>
> > > >> OK, in Device Manager under Properties for the VGA adapter and under the
> > > >> Drivers tab, click on Roll Back Driver.
> > > >> --
> > > >> freddy
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "rh0000" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Thanks for replying promptly, but your reply doesn't really answer my
> > > >> > question. I don't want to install the "proper" driver for my laptop. I
> > > >> > already have the proper driver, one for the Intel 945 chipset on my
> > > >> > laptop,
> > > >> > but because it won't operate in full screen mode it won't let me do
> > > >> > what I
> > > >> > want. So I want to swap this driver for a VGA driver. I have done this
> > > >> > successfully until a few days ago but am no longer able to do so. A
> > > >> > number of
> > > >> > sources say that Vista includes (somewhere) a VGA driver, and as I say
> > > >> > I have
> > > >> > previously managed to install this and it worked fine, allowing me to
> > > >> > run
> > > >> > programs in full screen mode. But now I find that this VGA driver is no
> > > >> > longer available to me, though it once was, and I want to know how I
> > > >> > can
> > > >> > access it again. My manufacturer's website (Toshiba) will only provide
> > > >> > drivers for the Intel 945 chipset, not the VGA driver which I am told
> > > >> > exists
> > > >> > in Vista, so my problem remains.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "freddy" wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > rh0000,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > It's unlikely that the Standard VGA driver is the correct driver for
> > > >> > > your
> > > >> > > laptop. Standard VGA produces 640 x 480 resolution by default. Your
> > > >> > > laptop
> > > >> > > should be set to its native resolution, which you likely know what
> > > >> > > that
> > > >> > > setting is. I don't know what graphics adapter driver Vista
> > > >> > > installed when
> > > >> > > you installed Vista. Your need to determine what driver is correct
> > > >> > > for your
> > > >> > > laptop and install that.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A good way to begin determining the proper driver, is to visit the
> > > >> > > website
> > > >> > > of the manufacturer of your laptop. At the site, search for the
> > > >> > > correct
> > > >> > > Vista graphics adapter driver and download and install that.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > After making sure you have the correct driver installed, set your
> > > >> > > monitor
> > > >> > > resolution to its native resolution, which you can determine by
> > > >> > > looking in
> > > >> > > the documentation that came with your laptop, or by finding it at the
> > > >> > > manufacturers website, if you don't already know what it is. You
> > > >> > > already
> > > >> > > know where in Windows you set that resolution setting, from you prior
> > > >> > > comments.
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > freddy
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > "rh0000" wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > I have Vista Home Basic and until recently have used the VGA
> > > >> > > > monitor driver
> > > >> > > > which comes with Vista, instead of using the Intel 945 driver which
> > > >> > > > is the
> > > >> > > > default monitor driver on my laptop. This is because I have some
> > > >> > > > software
> > > >> > > > which needs to use “full screen� mode, and which won’t work if you
> > > >> > > > attempt to
> > > >> > > > open the software in a window. (The VGA driver will work in full
> > > >> > > > screen mode,
> > > >> > > > but the Intel 945 driver won't.) I accessed the VGA adapter via
> > > >> > > > start /
> > > >> > > > control panel / appearance / personalisation / display settings /
> > > >> > > > advanced
> > > >> > > > settings / adapter / properties / driver / update driver / browse
> > > >> > > > my computer
> > > >> > > > for driver software / let me pick from a list. Following this path
> > > >> > > > gave me a
> > > >> > > > list of available monitor drivers, including a standard VGA driver.
> > > >> > > > I
> > > >> > > > installed this and it worked well, though I had to reinstall it
> > > >> > > > every few
> > > >> > > > days as each time I had a Windows update I found that the Intel 945
> > > >> > > > driver
> > > >> > > > was reinstalled. However, I now find that the standard VGA driver
> > > >> > > > has
> > > >> > > > disappeared from the list of available drivers, so I can’t install
> > > >> > > > it any
> > > >> > > > more. Where has it gone and how can I get it back again? I imagine
> > > >> > > > that the
> > > >> > > > driver itself hasn’t disappeared, but that some link is no longer
> > > >> > > > accessed.
> > > >> > > > Can anyone help me?
> > >

rh0000,

I now can understand why you're having the problems you have. I have no DOS
programs to try. Even so, I understand that there are millions of people
around the world still using DOS, or so I'm told by those whom I trust to
know.
--
freddy


"rh0000" wrote:

> You ask how I manage to use DOS in Vista, and I'm not sure how I manage it,
> because I find getting to grips with Vista pretty baffling, and quite often
> when I do something I'm not really sure how I did it. But I understand that
> while Vista doesn't have DOS "underneath" it, there is a DOS emulator
> somewhere in Vista, so it should be possible. All I know is that I copied
> some DOS programs into a folder on my hard drive and then clicked on the exe
> file, and the DOS program opened and ran in a window. Another way is to go to
> start, then run, then type in "c:\folder\program.exe" or whatever. It seems
> to work for me, so try it and see! The DOS program opens and runs in a
> window, but some of the programs I want to use require "full screen" mode,
> which is where my problems started. The program I particularly want to use is
> called LocoscriptPC, which has a full word processing package plus dictionary
> taking up only about 1MB of space, and which has all the features I want and
> none of the irritating junk you find in Word. But I may have to abandon my
> search for using Locoscript in Vista.
>
>
> "freddy" wrote:
>
> > rh0000,
> >
> > I didn't make the connection between "full screen mode" and using DOS. So,
> > you're using DOS programs in Vista. That fact throws a whole new light on
> > the subject. I didn't know we could use DOS in Vista. How are you managing
> > to do that? I always like to learn something.
> > --
> > freddy
> >
> >
> > "rh0000" wrote:
> >
> > > Dear JW, Thanks for giving me a reply. You say you have "no problems" with
> > > your Vista drivers and your 945 chipset. Do you mean you can run programs in
> > > "full screen" mode? If so, I will certainly download new drivers. But if you
> > > can't run programs in "full screen" mode, then my problem remains. I, too,
> > > have no problems with the 945 chipset Vista drivers, apart from the fact
> > > (which is important to me) that they won't let me run some of my older
> > > DOS-based software which requires "full screen" mode.
> > >
> > > "JW" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have an HP laptop with the 945 chipset and have no problems I am using
> > > > Intel Vista drivers dated 3/20/2007 (version 7.14.10.1244) which I got from
> > > > the HP Website when I installed Vista so if your 945 drivers are older then
> > > > mine I suggest you check again with the Toshiba Website for an updated set.
> > > > "rh0000" <> wrote in message
> > > > news:677FBFB7-6B1E-4B93-905B-...
> > > > > Dear Freddy, Many thanks for your continued interest in my problem. In the
> > > > > past few minutes, I had the bright (?) idea of uninstalling my video
> > > > > driver
> > > > > in an attempt to get my laptop to revert to the VGA driver. This has sort
> > > > > of
> > > > > worked, in that I now have a video driver VgaSave, a non plug and play
> > > > > driver
> > > > > according to Device Manager. This enables me to run programs in full
> > > > > screen
> > > > > mode, and the rest of the programs are fine as well. However, it has also
> > > > > meant that I no longer have a separate listing (apart from under
> > > > > non-plug-and-play) for the video driver. In particular, there is nothing I
> > > > > can roll back. However, I do recall that previously, when I was trying to
> > > > > locate the disappeared VGA driver, I found the menu to which you refer,
> > > > > but
> > > > > the "roll back" box was unavailable. So the situation is: I'm happy for
> > > > > the
> > > > > moment in that I can run programs full screen; I'm a little concerned that
> > > > > I
> > > > > may have stored up problems for the future; and for the moment I can't
> > > > > follow
> > > > > your suggestions in any case. Things will probably have to stay that way
> > > > > for
> > > > > the time being, though I expect they may change after my next Windows
> > > > > update,
> > > > > when I may approach you once more! Anyway, thanks again.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "freddy" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> rh0000,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> OK, in Device Manager under Properties for the VGA adapter and under the
> > > > >> Drivers tab, click on Roll Back Driver.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> freddy
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "rh0000" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Thanks for replying promptly, but your reply doesn't really answer my
> > > > >> > question. I don't want to install the "proper" driver for my laptop. I
> > > > >> > already have the proper driver, one for the Intel 945 chipset on my
> > > > >> > laptop,
> > > > >> > but because it won't operate in full screen mode it won't let me do
> > > > >> > what I
> > > > >> > want. So I want to swap this driver for a VGA driver. I have done this
> > > > >> > successfully until a few days ago but am no longer able to do so. A
> > > > >> > number of
> > > > >> > sources say that Vista includes (somewhere) a VGA driver, and as I say
> > > > >> > I have
> > > > >> > previously managed to install this and it worked fine, allowing me to
> > > > >> > run
> > > > >> > programs in full screen mode. But now I find that this VGA driver is no
> > > > >> > longer available to me, though it once was, and I want to know how I
> > > > >> > can
> > > > >> > access it again. My manufacturer's website (Toshiba) will only provide
> > > > >> > drivers for the Intel 945 chipset, not the VGA driver which I am told
> > > > >> > exists
> > > > >> > in Vista, so my problem remains.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "freddy" wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > rh0000,
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > It's unlikely that the Standard VGA driver is the correct driver for
> > > > >> > > your
> > > > >> > > laptop. Standard VGA produces 640 x 480 resolution by default. Your
> > > > >> > > laptop
> > > > >> > > should be set to its native resolution, which you likely know what
> > > > >> > > that
> > > > >> > > setting is. I don't know what graphics adapter driver Vista
> > > > >> > > installed when
> > > > >> > > you installed Vista. Your need to determine what driver is correct
> > > > >> > > for your
> > > > >> > > laptop and install that.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > A good way to begin determining the proper driver, is to visit the
> > > > >> > > website
> > > > >> > > of the manufacturer of your laptop. At the site, search for the
> > > > >> > > correct
> > > > >> > > Vista graphics adapter driver and download and install that.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > After making sure you have the correct driver installed, set your
> > > > >> > > monitor
> > > > >> > > resolution to its native resolution, which you can determine by
> > > > >> > > looking in
> > > > >> > > the documentation that came with your laptop, or by finding it at the
> > > > >> > > manufacturers website, if you don't already know what it is. You
> > > > >> > > already
> > > > >> > > know where in Windows you set that resolution setting, from you prior
> > > > >> > > comments.
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > freddy
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > "rh0000" wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > I have Vista Home Basic and until recently have used the VGA
> > > > >> > > > monitor driver
> > > > >> > > > which comes with Vista, instead of using the Intel 945 driver which
> > > > >> > > > is the
> > > > >> > > > default monitor driver on my laptop. This is because I have some
> > > > >> > > > software
> > > > >> > > > which needs to use “full screen� mode, and which won’t work if you
> > > > >> > > > attempt to
> > > > >> > > > open the software in a window. (The VGA driver will work in full
> > > > >> > > > screen mode,
> > > > >> > > > but the Intel 945 driver won't.) I accessed the VGA adapter via
> > > > >> > > > start /
> > > > >> > > > control panel / appearance / personalisation / display settings /
> > > > >> > > > advanced
> > > > >> > > > settings / adapter / properties / driver / update driver / browse
> > > > >> > > > my computer
> > > > >> > > > for driver software / let me pick from a list. Following this path
> > > > >> > > > gave me a
> > > > >> > > > list of available monitor drivers, including a standard VGA driver.
> > > > >> > > > I
> > > > >> > > > installed this and it worked well, though I had to reinstall it
> > > > >> > > > every few
> > > > >> > > > days as each time I had a Windows update I found that the Intel 945
> > > > >> > > > driver
> > > > >> > > > was reinstalled. However, I now find that the standard VGA driver
> > > > >> > > > has
> > > > >> > > > disappeared from the list of available drivers, so I can’t install
> > > > >> > > > it any
> > > > >> > > > more. Where has it gone and how can I get it back again? I imagine
> > > > >> > > > that the
> > > > >> > > > driver itself hasn’t disappeared, but that some link is no longer
> > > > >> > > > accessed.
> > > > >> > > > Can anyone help me?
> > > >

AFAIK Vista could card less if you are just running an application that has
nothing to do with any hardware I/O.
However if you are trying to run a DOS application that is trying to run in
full screen then it is trying to something with hardware I/O it will not
work.

"freddy" <> wrote in message
news:F73D3C45-4E34-41CE-B388-...
> rh0000,
>
> I now can understand why you're having the problems you have. I have no
> DOS
> programs to try. Even so, I understand that there are millions of people
> around the world still using DOS, or so I'm told by those whom I trust to
> know.
> --
> freddy
>
>
> "rh0000" wrote:
>
>> You ask how I manage to use DOS in Vista, and I'm not sure how I manage
>> it,
>> because I find getting to grips with Vista pretty baffling, and quite
>> often
>> when I do something I'm not really sure how I did it. But I understand
>> that
>> while Vista doesn't have DOS "underneath" it, there is a DOS emulator
>> somewhere in Vista, so it should be possible. All I know is that I copied
>> some DOS programs into a folder on my hard drive and then clicked on the
>> exe
>> file, and the DOS program opened and ran in a window. Another way is to
>> go to
>> start, then run, then type in "c:\folder\program.exe" or whatever. It
>> seems
>> to work for me, so try it and see! The DOS program opens and runs in a
>> window, but some of the programs I want to use require "full screen"
>> mode,
>> which is where my problems started. The program I particularly want to
>> use is
>> called LocoscriptPC, which has a full word processing package plus
>> dictionary
>> taking up only about 1MB of space, and which has all the features I want
>> and
>> none of the irritating junk you find in Word. But I may have to abandon
>> my
>> search for using Locoscript in Vista.
>>
>>
>> "freddy" wrote:
>>
>> > rh0000,
>> >
>> > I didn't make the connection between "full screen mode" and using DOS.
>> > So,
>> > you're using DOS programs in Vista. That fact throws a whole new light
>> > on
>> > the subject. I didn't know we could use DOS in Vista. How are you
>> > managing
>> > to do that? I always like to learn something.
>> > --
>> > freddy
>> >
>> >
>> > "rh0000" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear JW, Thanks for giving me a reply. You say you have "no problems"
>> > > with
>> > > your Vista drivers and your 945 chipset. Do you mean you can run
>> > > programs in
>> > > "full screen" mode? If so, I will certainly download new drivers. But
>> > > if you
>> > > can't run programs in "full screen" mode, then my problem remains. I,
>> > > too,
>> > > have no problems with the 945 chipset Vista drivers, apart from the
>> > > fact
>> > > (which is important to me) that they won't let me run some of my
>> > > older
>> > > DOS-based software which requires "full screen" mode.
>> > >
>> > > "JW" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I have an HP laptop with the 945 chipset and have no problems I am
>> > > > using
>> > > > Intel Vista drivers dated 3/20/2007 (version 7.14.10.1244) which I
>> > > > got from
>> > > > the HP Website when I installed Vista so if your 945 drivers are
>> > > > older then
>> > > > mine I suggest you check again with the Toshiba Website for an
>> > > > updated set.
>> > > > "rh0000" <> wrote in message
>> > > > news:677FBFB7-6B1E-4B93-905B-...
>> > > > > Dear Freddy, Many thanks for your continued interest in my
>> > > > > problem. In the
>> > > > > past few minutes, I had the bright (?) idea of uninstalling my
>> > > > > video
>> > > > > driver
>> > > > > in an attempt to get my laptop to revert to the VGA driver. This
>> > > > > has sort
>> > > > > of
>> > > > > worked, in that I now have a video driver VgaSave, a non plug and
>> > > > > play
>> > > > > driver
>> > > > > according to Device Manager. This enables me to run programs in
>> > > > > full
>> > > > > screen
>> > > > > mode, and the rest of the programs are fine as well. However, it
>> > > > > has also
>> > > > > meant that I no longer have a separate listing (apart from under
>> > > > > non-plug-and-play) for the video driver. In particular, there is
>> > > > > nothing I
>> > > > > can roll back. However, I do recall that previously, when I was
>> > > > > trying to
>> > > > > locate the disappeared VGA driver, I found the menu to which you
>> > > > > refer,
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > the "roll back" box was unavailable. So the situation is: I'm
>> > > > > happy for
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > moment in that I can run programs full screen; I'm a little
>> > > > > concerned that
>> > > > > I
>> > > > > may have stored up problems for the future; and for the moment I
>> > > > > can't
>> > > > > follow
>> > > > > your suggestions in any case. Things will probably have to stay
>> > > > > that way
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > the time being, though I expect they may change after my next
>> > > > > Windows
>> > > > > update,
>> > > > > when I may approach you once more! Anyway, thanks again.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "freddy" wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> rh0000,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> OK, in Device Manager under Properties for the VGA adapter and
>> > > > >> under the
>> > > > >> Drivers tab, click on Roll Back Driver.
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> freddy
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> "rh0000" wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > Thanks for replying promptly, but your reply doesn't really
>> > > > >> > answer my
>> > > > >> > question. I don't want to install the "proper" driver for my
>> > > > >> > laptop. I
>> > > > >> > already have the proper driver, one for the Intel 945 chipset
>> > > > >> > on my
>> > > > >> > laptop,
>> > > > >> > but because it won't operate in full screen mode it won't let
>> > > > >> > me do
>> > > > >> > what I
>> > > > >> > want. So I want to swap this driver for a VGA driver. I have
>> > > > >> > done this
>> > > > >> > successfully until a few days ago but am no longer able to do
>> > > > >> > so. A
>> > > > >> > number of
>> > > > >> > sources say that Vista includes (somewhere) a VGA driver, and
>> > > > >> > as I say
>> > > > >> > I have
>> > > > >> > previously managed to install this and it worked fine,
>> > > > >> > allowing me to
>> > > > >> > run
>> > > > >> > programs in full screen mode. But now I find that this VGA
>> > > > >> > driver is no
>> > > > >> > longer available to me, though it once was, and I want to know
>> > > > >> > how I
>> > > > >> > can
>> > > > >> > access it again. My manufacturer's website (Toshiba) will only
>> > > > >> > provide
>> > > > >> > drivers for the Intel 945 chipset, not the VGA driver which I
>> > > > >> > am told
>> > > > >> > exists
>> > > > >> > in Vista, so my problem remains.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > "freddy" wrote:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > > rh0000,
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > It's unlikely that the Standard VGA driver is the correct
>> > > > >> > > driver for
>> > > > >> > > your
>> > > > >> > > laptop. Standard VGA produces 640 x 480 resolution by
>> > > > >> > > default. Your
>> > > > >> > > laptop
>> > > > >> > > should be set to its native resolution, which you likely
>> > > > >> > > know what
>> > > > >> > > that
>> > > > >> > > setting is. I don't know what graphics adapter driver Vista
>> > > > >> > > installed when
>> > > > >> > > you installed Vista. Your need to determine what driver is
>> > > > >> > > correct
>> > > > >> > > for your
>> > > > >> > > laptop and install that.
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > A good way to begin determining the proper driver, is to
>> > > > >> > > visit the
>> > > > >> > > website
>> > > > >> > > of the manufacturer of your laptop. At the site, search for
>> > > > >> > > the
>> > > > >> > > correct
>> > > > >> > > Vista graphics adapter driver and download and install that.
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > After making sure you have the correct driver installed, set
>> > > > >> > > your
>> > > > >> > > monitor
>> > > > >> > > resolution to its native resolution, which you can determine
>> > > > >> > > by
>> > > > >> > > looking in
>> > > > >> > > the documentation that came with your laptop, or by finding
>> > > > >> > > it at the
>> > > > >> > > manufacturers website, if you don't already know what it is.
>> > > > >> > > You
>> > > > >> > > already
>> > > > >> > > know where in Windows you set that resolution setting, from
>> > > > >> > > you prior
>> > > > >> > > comments.
>> > > > >> > > --
>> > > > >> > > freddy
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > "rh0000" wrote:
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > > I have Vista Home Basic and until recently have used the
>> > > > >> > > > VGA
>> > > > >> > > > monitor driver
>> > > > >> > > > which comes with Vista, instead of using the Intel 945
>> > > > >> > > > driver which
>> > > > >> > > > is the
>> > > > >> > > > default monitor driver on my laptop. This is because I
>> > > > >> > > > have some
>> > > > >> > > > software
>> > > > >> > > > which needs to use “full screen� mode, and which won’t
>> > > > >> > > > work if you
>> > > > >> > > > attempt to
>> > > > >> > > > open the software in a window. (The VGA driver will work
>> > > > >> > > > in full
>> > > > >> > > > screen mode,
>> > > > >> > > > but the Intel 945 driver won't.) I accessed the VGA
>> > > > >> > > > adapter via
>> > > > >> > > > start /
>> > > > >> > > > control panel / appearance / personalisation / display
>> > > > >> > > > settings /
>> > > > >> > > > advanced
>> > > > >> > > > settings / adapter / properties / driver / update driver /
>> > > > >> > > > browse
>> > > > >> > > > my computer
>> > > > >> > > > for driver software / let me pick from a list. Following
>> > > > >> > > > this path
>> > > > >> > > > gave me a
>> > > > >> > > > list of available monitor drivers, including a standard
>> > > > >> > > > VGA driver.
>> > > > >> > > > I
>> > > > >> > > > installed this and it worked well, though I had to
>> > > > >> > > > reinstall it
>> > > > >> > > > every few
>> > > > >> > > > days as each time I had a Windows update I found that the
>> > > > >> > > > Intel 945
>> > > > >> > > > driver
>> > > > >> > > > was reinstalled. However, I now find that the standard VGA
>> > > > >> > > > driver
>> > > > >> > > > has
>> > > > >> > > > disappeared from the list of available drivers, so I can’t
>> > > > >> > > > install
>> > > > >> > > > it any
>> > > > >> > > > more. Where has it gone and how can I get it back again? I
>> > > > >> > > > imagine
>> > > > >> > > > that the
>> > > > >> > > > driver itself hasn’t disappeared, but that some link is no
>> > > > >> > > > longer
>> > > > >> > > > accessed.
>> > > > >> > > > Can anyone help me?
>> > > >

Well, my DOS application did in fact run in full screen mode when I used the
standard VGA drivers which are supposed to be part of Vista. It was only when
I "lost" the VGA drivers and had to use the drivers for my Intel 945 chipset,
and which don't allow full screen mode, that I had problems. There are lots
of good programs in DOS, and when a better version comes along for Windows,
that doesn't make the old DOS programs any worse. And sometimes, of course,
the new programs are better in ways you don't care about, but worse in other
ways which you do care about. So I try to hang on to the old DOS programs
which have served me well, but it gets increasingly difficult.

"JW" wrote:

> AFAIK Vista could card less if you are just running an application that has
> nothing to do with any hardware I/O.
> However if you are trying to run a DOS application that is trying to run in
> full screen then it is trying to something with hardware I/O it will not
> work.
>
> "freddy" <> wrote in message
> news:F73D3C45-4E34-41CE-B388-...
> > rh0000,
> >
> > I now can understand why you're having the problems you have. I have no
> > DOS
> > programs to try. Even so, I understand that there are millions of people
> > around the world still using DOS, or so I'm told by those whom I trust to
> > know.
> > --
> > freddy
> >
> >
> > "rh0000" wrote:
> >
> >> You ask how I manage to use DOS in Vista, and I'm not sure how I manage
> >> it,
> >> because I find getting to grips with Vista pretty baffling, and quite
> >> often
> >> when I do something I'm not really sure how I did it. But I understand
> >> that
> >> while Vista doesn't have DOS "underneath" it, there is a DOS emulator
> >> somewhere in Vista, so it should be possible. All I know is that I copied
> >> some DOS programs into a folder on my hard drive and then clicked on the
> >> exe
> >> file, and the DOS program opened and ran in a window. Another way is to
> >> go to
> >> start, then run, then type in "c:\folder\program.exe" or whatever. It
> >> seems
> >> to work for me, so try it and see! The DOS program opens and runs in a
> >> window, but some of the programs I want to use require "full screen"
> >> mode,
> >> which is where my problems started. The program I particularly want to
> >> use is
> >> called LocoscriptPC, which has a full word processing package plus
> >> dictionary
> >> taking up only about 1MB of space, and which has all the features I want
> >> and
> >> none of the irritating junk you find in Word. But I may have to abandon
> >> my
> >> search for using Locoscript in Vista.
> >>
> >>
> >> "freddy" wrote:
> >>
> >> > rh0000,
> >> >
> >> > I didn't make the connection between "full screen mode" and using DOS.
> >> > So,
> >> > you're using DOS programs in Vista. That fact throws a whole new light
> >> > on
> >> > the subject. I didn't know we could use DOS in Vista. How are you
> >> > managing
> >> > to do that? I always like to learn something.
> >> > --
> >> > freddy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "rh0000" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Dear JW, Thanks for giving me a reply. You say you have "no problems"
> >> > > with
> >> > > your Vista drivers and your 945 chipset. Do you mean you can run
> >> > > programs in
> >> > > "full screen" mode? If so, I will certainly download new drivers. But
> >> > > if you
> >> > > can't run programs in "full screen" mode, then my problem remains. I,
> >> > > too,
> >> > > have no problems with the 945 chipset Vista drivers, apart from the
> >> > > fact
> >> > > (which is important to me) that they won't let me run some of my
> >> > > older
> >> > > DOS-based software which requires "full screen" mode.
> >> > >
> >> > > "JW" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I have an HP laptop with the 945 chipset and have no problems I am
> >> > > > using
> >> > > > Intel Vista drivers dated 3/20/2007 (version 7.14.10.1244) which I
> >> > > > got from
> >> > > > the HP Website when I installed Vista so if your 945 drivers are
> >> > > > older then
> >> > > > mine I suggest you check again with the Toshiba Website for an
> >> > > > updated set.
> >> > > > "rh0000" <> wrote in message
> >> > > > news:677FBFB7-6B1E-4B93-905B-...
> >> > > > > Dear Freddy, Many thanks for your continued interest in my
> >> > > > > problem. In the
> >> > > > > past few minutes, I had the bright (?) idea of uninstalling my
> >> > > > > video
> >> > > > > driver
> >> > > > > in an attempt to get my laptop to revert to the VGA driver. This
> >> > > > > has sort
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > worked, in that I now have a video driver VgaSave, a non plug and
> >> > > > > play
> >> > > > > driver
> >> > > > > according to Device Manager. This enables me to run programs in
> >> > > > > full
> >> > > > > screen
> >> > > > > mode, and the rest of the programs are fine as well. However, it
> >> > > > > has also
> >> > > > > meant that I no longer have a separate listing (apart from under
> >> > > > > non-plug-and-play) for the video driver. In particular, there is
> >> > > > > nothing I
> >> > > > > can roll back. However, I do recall that previously, when I was
> >> > > > > trying to
> >> > > > > locate the disappeared VGA driver, I found the menu to which you
> >> > > > > refer,
> >> > > > > but
> >> > > > > the "roll back" box was unavailable. So the situation is: I'm
> >> > > > > happy for
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > moment in that I can run programs full screen; I'm a little
> >> > > > > concerned that
> >> > > > > I
> >> > > > > may have stored up problems for the future; and for the moment I
> >> > > > > can't
> >> > > > > follow
> >> > > > > your suggestions in any case. Things will probably have to stay
> >> > > > > that way
> >> > > > > for
> >> > > > > the time being, though I expect they may change after my next
> >> > > > > Windows
> >> > > > > update,
> >> > > > > when I may approach you once more! Anyway, thanks again.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > "freddy" wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> rh0000,
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> OK, in Device Manager under Properties for the VGA adapter and
> >> > > > >> under the
> >> > > > >> Drivers tab, click on Roll Back Driver.
> >> > > > >> --
> >> > > > >> freddy
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> "rh0000" wrote:
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> > Thanks for replying promptly, but your reply doesn't really
> >> > > > >> > answer my
> >> > > > >> > question. I don't want to install the "proper" driver for my
> >> > > > >> > laptop. I
> >> > > > >> > already have the proper driver, one for the Intel 945 chipset
> >> > > > >> > on my
> >> > > > >> > laptop,
> >> > > > >> > but because it won't operate in full screen mode it won't let
> >> > > > >> > me do
> >> > > > >> > what I
> >> > > > >> > want. So I want to swap this driver for a VGA driver. I have
> >> > > > >> > done this
> >> > > > >> > successfully until a few days ago but am no longer able to do
> >> > > > >> > so. A
> >> > > > >> > number of
> >> > > > >> > sources say that Vista includes (somewhere) a VGA driver, and
> >> > > > >> > as I say
> >> > > > >> > I have
> >> > > > >> > previously managed to install this and it worked fine,
> >> > > > >> > allowing me to
> >> > > > >> > run
> >> > > > >> > programs in full screen mode. But now I find that this VGA
> >> > > > >> > driver is no
> >> > > > >> > longer available to me, though it once was, and I want to know
> >> > > > >> > how I
> >> > > > >> > can
> >> > > > >> > access it again. My manufacturer's website (Toshiba) will only
> >> > > > >> > provide
> >> > > > >> > drivers for the Intel 945 chipset, not the VGA driver which I
> >> > > > >> > am told
> >> > > > >> > exists
> >> > > > >> > in Vista, so my problem remains.
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > "freddy" wrote:
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > > rh0000,
> >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > > It's unlikely that the Standard VGA driver is the correct
> >> > > > >> > > driver for
> >> > > > >> > > your
> >> > > > >> > > laptop. Standard VGA produces 640 x 480 resolution by
> >> > > > >> > > default. Your
> >> > > > >> > > laptop
> >> > > > >> > > should be set to its native resolution, which you likely
> >> > > > >> > > know what
> >> > > > >> > > that
> >> > > > >> > > setting is. I don't know what graphics adapter driver Vista
> >> > > > >> > > installed when
> >> > > > >> > > you installed Vista. Your need to determine what driver is
> >> > > > >> > > correct
> >> > > > >> > > for your
> >> > > > >> > > laptop and install that.
> >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > > A good way to begin determining the proper driver, is to
> >> > > > >> > > visit the
> >> > > > >> > > website
> >> > > > >> > > of the manufacturer of your laptop. At the site, search for
> >> > > > >> > > the
> >> > > > >> > > correct
> >> > > > >> > > Vista graphics adapter driver and download and install that.
> >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > > After making sure you have the correct driver installed, set
> >> > > > >> > > your
> >> > > > >> > > monitor
> >> > > > >> > > resolution to its native resolution, which you can determine
> >> > > > >> > > by
> >> > > > >> > > looking in
> >> > > > >> > > the documentation that came with your laptop, or by finding
> >> > > > >> > > it at the
> >> > > > >> > > manufacturers website, if you don't already know what it is.
> >> > > > >> > > You
> >> > > > >> > > already
> >> > > > >> > > know where in Windows you set that resolution setting, from
> >> > > > >> > > you prior
> >> > > > >> > > comments.
> >> > > > >> > > --
> >> > > > >> > > freddy
> >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > > "rh0000" wrote:
> >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > >> > > > I have Vista Home Basic and until recently have used the
> >> > > > >> > > > VGA
> >> > > > >> > > > monitor driver
> >> > > > >> > > > which comes with Vista, instead of using the Intel 945
> >> > > > >> > > > driver which
> >> > > > >> > > > is the
> >> > > > >> > > > default monitor driver on my laptop. This is because I
> >> > > > >> > > > have some
> >> > > > >> > > > software
> >> > > > >> > > > which needs to use “full screen� mode, and which won’t
> >> > > > >> > > > work if you
> >> > > > >> > > > attempt to
> >> > > > >> > > > open the software in a window. (The VGA driver will work
> >> > > > >> > > > in full
> >> > > > >> > > > screen mode,
> >> > > > >> > > > but the Intel 945 driver won't.) I accessed the VGA
> >> > > > >> > > > adapter via
> >> > > > >> > > > start /
> >> > > > >> > > > control panel / appearance / personalisation / display
> >> > > > >> > > > settings /
> >> > > > >> > > > advanced
> >> > > > >> > > > settings / adapter / properties / driver / update driver /
> >> > > > >> > > > browse
> >> > > > >> > > > my computer
> >> > > > >> > > > for driver software / let me pick from a list. Following
> >> > > > >> > > > this path
> >> > > > >> > > > gave me a
> >> > > > >> > > > list of available monitor drivers, including a standard
> >> > > > >> > > > VGA driver.
> >> > > > >> > > > I
> >> > > > >> > > > installed this and it worked well, though I had to
> >> > > > >> > > > reinstall it
> >> > > > >> > > > every few
> >> > > > >> > > > days as each time I had a Windows update I found that the
> >> > > > >> > > > Intel 945
> >> > > > >> > > > driver
> >> > > > >> > > > was reinstalled. However, I now find that the standard VGA
> >> > > > >> > > > driver
> >> > > > >> > > > has
> >> > > > >> > > > disappeared from the list of available drivers, so I can’t
> >> > > > >> > > > install
> >> > > > >> > > > it any
> >> > > > >> > > > more. Where has it gone and how can I get it back again? I
> >> > > > >> > > > imagine
> >> > > > >> > > > that the
> >> > > > >> > > > driver itself hasn’t disappeared, but that some link is no
> >> > > > >> > > > longer
> >> > > > >> > > > accessed.
> >> > > > >> > > > Can anyone help me?
> >> > > >
>