MS-dos Programs won't run on Vista

I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings, but
get the same message. Also in the title bar is written ntvdm-1348e84.300001
of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base. Anyone have any ideas?

Hi,

Either they work or they don't. Apparently, in this case they don't. You can
always run a virtual session of DOS is you still have or can find the
install disks (which really isn't too hard for any accomplished googler)
under VirtualPC (which is free and, despite the disclaimer, runs fine in
Vista Home Premium).

Virtual PC:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...c/default.mspx

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"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
>will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
>support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings,
>but get the same message. Also in the title bar is written
>ntvdm-1348e84.300001 of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base.
>Anyone have any ideas?

The best recommendation then is run those applications in a Virtual Machine
in a supported operating system such as Windows 95 or 98 on top Virtual PC
2007.
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"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
>will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
>support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings,
>but get the same message. Also in the title bar is written
>ntvdm-1348e84.300001 of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base.
>Anyone have any ideas?

virtual pc? thats like killing a fly with a nuclear weapon!

those vista nerds have lost it...

try DOSBOX HERE>>> dosbox.sourceforge.net


? "Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> ?????? ??? ??????
news:9516202A-76A8-450B-B22C-...
>I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
>will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
>support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings,
>but get the same message. Also in the title bar is written
>ntvdm-1348e84.300001 of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base.
>Anyone have any ideas?

"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote ...
>I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
>will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
>support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings,
>but get the same message. Also in the title bar is written
>ntvdm-1348e84.300001 of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base.
>Anyone have any ideas?

This is a change from XP, and is a side-effect of Vista's new WDDM ("Windows
Display Driver Model") graphics drivers. WDDM drivers in Vista do not
support full-screen mode for DOS apps. You can run many DOS apps on Vista,
as long as they are happy to run in a Window. But if the app explicity calls
Int 10h to go into full-screen mode, you'll get the error you saw. Your DOS
app is probably such a program.

One workaround is to use a non-WDDM graphics driver. The standard VGA Driver
supplied with Vista uses an XPDM ("XP Driver Model"), so it does not have
the same limitation. Also, graphics drivers designed for XP rather than
Vista, can often permit a full-screen DOS app. Of course, you'll loose all
the goofy, whizz-bang Aero graphics in Vista, by using an older driver - but
your application can still run.

The other workaround, as other posters suggested, is to use a DOS emulation
such as Virtual PC or DosBox.

I can't remember why Microsoft dropped full screen support from WDDM ... the
question came up several times during the Vista Beta, but the response was
that it was not easy to fix or change. There was some deep technical
motivation, not just a "can't be bothered".

Hope this helps a bit.

--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

Thank you for your suggestions and comments, Andrew. I can still run the
programs on my XP machine or my Win 95 Aptiva. I'll have to try your
suggestions first, since I need to keep up with the new technology and try
to get them to work on Vista.
best,
Fred
"Andrew McLaren" <> wrote in message
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> "Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote ...
>>I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
>>will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
>>support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings,
>>but get the same message. Also in the title bar is written
>>ntvdm-1348e84.300001 of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base.
>>Anyone have any ideas?
>
> This is a change from XP, and is a side-effect of Vista's new WDDM
> ("Windows Display Driver Model") graphics drivers. WDDM drivers in Vista
> do not support full-screen mode for DOS apps. You can run many DOS apps on
> Vista, as long as they are happy to run in a Window. But if the app
> explicity calls Int 10h to go into full-screen mode, you'll get the error
> you saw. Your DOS app is probably such a program.
>
> One workaround is to use a non-WDDM graphics driver. The standard VGA
> Driver supplied with Vista uses an XPDM ("XP Driver Model"), so it does
> not have the same limitation. Also, graphics drivers designed for XP
> rather than Vista, can often permit a full-screen DOS app. Of course,
> you'll loose all the goofy, whizz-bang Aero graphics in Vista, by using an
> older driver - but your application can still run.
>
> The other workaround, as other posters suggested, is to use a DOS
> emulation such as Virtual PC or DosBox.
>
> I can't remember why Microsoft dropped full screen support from WDDM ...
> the question came up several times during the Vista Beta, but the response
> was that it was not easy to fix or change. There was some deep technical
> motivation, not just a "can't be bothered".
>
> Hope this helps a bit.
>
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>

Thank you to all that replied. I will try some of your suggestions.
Best,
Fred
"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
news:9516202A-76A8-450B-B22C-...
>I have several old MS-DOS programs that run fine on my Win XP machine, but
>will not run on my Vista Laptop. I get a message"This system does not
>support full screen mode". I have tried all the compatibility settings,
>but get the same message. Also in the title bar is written
>ntvdm-1348e84.300001 of the DOS screen. Nothing in MS Knowledge base.
>Anyone have any ideas?

vista claus;532782 Wrote:
> virtual pc? thats like killing a fly with a nuclear weapon!
>
> those vista nerds have lost it...
>
> try DOSBOX HERE>>> dosbox.sourceforge.net

DOSBOX does what it's name suggests. It emulates DOS if you want to run
old DOS programs.

But what happens if you need to run an older application (that requires
Windows 95) that doesn't work in Vista? Can DOSBOX do that?

I don't think so.


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On Dec 3, 2:02 am, dzomlija <dzomlija.310...@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:
> vista claus;532782 Wrote:
>
> > virtual pc? thats like killing a fly with a nuclear weapon!
>
> > those vista nerds have lost it...
>
> > tryDOSBOXHERE>>>dosbox.sourceforge.net
>
> DOSBOXdoes what it's name suggests. It emulates DOS if you want to run
> old DOS programs.
>
> But what happens if you need to run an older application (that requires
> Windows 95) that doesn't work in Vista? CanDOSBOXdo that?
>
> I don't think so.
>
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>
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DosBox can run Windows 3.1x pretty well and 3.1.x games.

As for Windows 95.

Windows 95A and Windows 95B install and run but performance is pretty
slow and there's no support for greater than 16 colors. For improved
support there are unofficial patches but they haven't been commited to
CVS yet. For now Vmware/VPC are the better options there but yesterday
I did do some tests with Win95B/Trio64+ and the unofficial patches and
got Sonic R and Blood Omen Legacy of Kain working in Win95B in DosBox.
(Not perfectly of course but they ran).

I only use DOSBOX for games (Anyone remember "Heart of China") whose
timing gets a little upset at being run in DOS on Virtual PC on a Athlon
4800+ PC! Virtual PC runs the guest OS with the same CPU and speed as
the host OS, and has no way of being slowed down.

For anything else, I'll use Virtual PC

But whichever solution is best, it's still not what I'm looking,
really.

What I need is a "Virtual Computer" where I can not only emulate a
particular OS, but the hardware as well, something that neither DOSBOX
nor MS Virtual PC can do.

I'd like to be able to, for example, tell the "emulator" that I want a
386SX25, with 1MB EDO RAM, a Trident 256K display card and Phoenux BIOS.

Essentially, I want a PC Hardware Emulator so that whatever OS or
software I run must essentially believe that it is running on that
hardware, as with the same speeds.

I don't want a DOS emulator or a Virtual PC that uses the similar hard
to my real PC!

Anyone know of something like that?


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