MS President - "I'd buy a Mac"

Here's an interesting email from James Allchin, co-president of
Microsoft's Platform Products and Services Group to Bill Gates and
Steve Ballmer concerning Vista. He retired the day Vista shipped.
This email was made public as the result of a lawsuit against MS in
Iowa.

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Bill Gates; Steve Ballmer
Subject: losing our way...

This is a rant. I'm sorry.

I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our
customers (both business and home) the most, but in my view we lost
our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what
resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what
performance means, how important current applications are, and really
understanding what the most important problems [our] customers face
are. I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that
doesn't translate onto great products.

I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you run
the equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to basically all Windows
application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not lose
their way. You must watch this new video below. I know this doesn't
show anything for businesses, but my point is about the philosophy
that Apple uses. They think scenario. They think simple. They think
fast. I know there is nothing hugely deep in this.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/video/ilife04_32C.html [Note: link no
longer works]

I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do what
I called plan (b) yesterday We need a simple fast storage system. LH
is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are to
rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the
lessons of "scenario, simple, fast" to heart.

jim

> We need a simple fast storage system. LH
> is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem.

Anybody know what LH is?

Thanks,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"Tom Dacon" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>> We need a simple fast storage system. LH
>> is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem.
>
> Anybody know what LH is?
>

Longhorn

Tom Dacon wrote:
>> We need a simple fast storage system. LH
>> is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem.
>
> Anybody know what LH is?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Dacon
> Dacon Software Consulting
>
>

Long Horn. It's an animal that goes by the name of "Frank" in this
newsgroup.

Alias

"Alias" <> wrote in message
news:gp3q4s$1aj$...
> Tom Dacon wrote:
>>> We need a simple fast storage system. LH
>>> is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem.
>>
>> Anybody know what LH is?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Dacon
>> Dacon Software Consulting
>>
>>
>
> Long Horn. It's an animal that goes by the name of "Frank" in this
> newsgroup.
>
> Alias

Then there is SF. Sheep ****er. It's a troll that goes by the name "Alias"
in this group.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:45:53 -0400, Jack the Ripper <>
wrote:

>+Bob+ wrote:
>
><snipped>
>
>Most that come to this NG other than a troll like you are using Vista.
>The post would mean something if it were posted to a non Vista NG.

It's just confirmation that even MS Senior Management admits that they
have lost their way and that Vista is a terrible product.

>By the way, are you not using Vista? If you comeback and say that you
>are using Vista, then you are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

I do use Vista. It's what runs on my laptop. The fact that I use it
and I know that it sucks doesn't make me a hypocrite, it makes me a
more accurate poster.

>[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]

Hey, look at that. Whoever runs the newsserver at MS thinks it's
important to censor posts containing emails that have been publicly
disclosed by court order. I'll have to assume that that person doesn't
quite understand that this is now legally public info.

Oh well, you can read it here or a thousand other places. Just google
for "Jim Allchin" and "mac".

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conte...l_exposed.html

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:00:34 -0400, Jack the Ripper <>
wrote:

>+Bob+ wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:45:53 -0400, Jack the Ripper <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +Bob+ wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> Most that come to this NG other than a troll like you are using Vista.
>>> The post would mean something if it were posted to a non Vista NG.
>>
>> It's just confirmation that even MS Senior Management admits that they
>> have lost their way and that Vista is a terrible product.
>
>When was that article created? It was 2004 or something? I can't see it
>anymore because it has been NG killfiled.

I reposted a link it for you. The age is irrelevant, he was discussing
the development issues and the problems we've all seen in Vista. It's
also possible to see the (lame) patches such as UAC that were layered
on top to try to cover up the deficiencies he exposed.

>Anyway, a company president is
>a dime a dozen, which most of the more powerful ones have driven the
>country into the ground lining their pockets. I bet he wasn't
>complaining when he went to the bank to cash his check.

Whatever. He thought enough of Vista that he resigned the day after it
shipped. That's a typical corporate escape route: Finish the product
to be "responsible", then head out the door.

>>> By the way, are you not using Vista? If you comeback and say that you
>>> are using Vista, then you are a hypocrite, plain and simple.
>>
>> I do use Vista. It's what runs on my laptop. The fact that I use it
>> and I know that it sucks doesn't make me a hypocrite, it makes me a
>> more accurate poster.
>>
>
>I disagree with you.

And I with you.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:38:41 -0400, Jack the Ripper <>
wrote:


>> I reposted a link it for you. The age is irrelevant, he was discussing
>> the development issues and the problems we've all seen in Vista. It's
>> also possible to see the (lame) patches such as UAC that were layered
>> on top to try to cover up the deficiencies he exposed.
>
>I say it's BS, because what MS took was already implemented in Linux and
>Open BSD, the MS way of doing things.


<snip unrelated nonsense>

What on earth are you rambling on about? The posted email is about how
bad Vista sucks. Deal with it.

>Vista is doing what I need it to do which is protect itself. And I don't
>care what you are talking about, because all you're doing is talking and
>nothing else. That's because you are a complainer by nature, and it's in
>your make-up/in your blood.

I posted an analysis of Vista by MS's President. You posted nonsense.


>Well, he may have jumped ship too soon. Maybe, Jobs gave him a job.

You've obviously never worked anywhere but in the local Highway
Department or as a small cog in the big wheel.

>So be it and there is nothing else to be said about it.

Except that you can't even admit how much Vista sucks even though the
same analysis comes from an MS senior executive.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:12:06 -0400, +Bob+ <>
wrote:


>
>I reposted a link it for you.

Seems like MS doesn't like links to facts being posted here, even
though the documents in question have been released to the public by a
US Court and are on the Internet in about 1000 locations including a
site set up by the Iowa court.

If you want to read the article you will have to google "James
Allchin" and "I would buy a mac today".