MS: "Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2"

"Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service
Pack 2 "
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
(list programs that need manual intevention to unblock access through the
firewall"

Joe Average will *not find (or look for) this information
after WU installs SP2 with his consent.

But my local dealer also added another long list
of (some older, some recent) applications that absolutely refused
to run at all after having installed SP2 on several system,
probably due to SP2's new security implementations.

AFAIK for many home users the answer to the question
"Are You Ready for WinXP SP2"
will remain "no",
for a long time to come.

I do realize the benefits of applying SP2,
but shouldn't "hey, where should I click now?"
home users not be cautioned more extensively?

After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
one single program that does not work properly.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx

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"Dutch User" wrote:

| "Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service
| Pack 2 "
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
| (list programs that need manual intevention to unblock access through the
| firewall"
|
| Joe Average will *not find (or look for) this information
| after WU installs SP2 with his consent.
|
| But my local dealer also added another long list
| of (some older, some recent) applications that absolutely refused
| to run at all after having installed SP2 on several system,
| probably due to SP2's new security implementations.
|
| AFAIK for many home users the answer to the question
| "Are You Ready for WinXP SP2"
| will remain "no",
| for a long time to come.
|
| I do realize the benefits of applying SP2,
| but shouldn't "hey, where should I click now?"
| home users not be cautioned more extensively?

Thank you, that is very reassuring.

But let's look at the issue from another angle:
why are IBM, ZDnet, etc
advising to wait a few weeks with this free upgrade?
(SP2 is basically like having an major upgrade to XP)

There obviously will be issues with the RTM SP2, people will post them
of try to find solutions.

Basically, I prefer to be rather safe than sorry -
but many home users will not be (are are not capable of)
following MS guidelines before installing SP2
when it comes through WU
(back-up your HD first, check for known issues and patches issued
by 3rd party vendors, etc)

And that's the basic point:
WU will deliver a free OS upgrade (thanks
while many home users will treat it like a simple patch.

I hold my breath.




"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
news:...
> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> one single program that does not work properly.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
> "Dutch User" wrote:
>
> | "Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service
> | Pack 2 "
> | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
> | (list programs that need manual intevention to unblock access through
the
> | firewall"
> |
> | Joe Average will *not find (or look for) this information
> | after WU installs SP2 with his consent.
> |
> | But my local dealer also added another long list
> | of (some older, some recent) applications that absolutely refused
> | to run at all after having installed SP2 on several system,
> | probably due to SP2's new security implementations.
> |
> | AFAIK for many home users the answer to the question
> | "Are You Ready for WinXP SP2"
> | will remain "no",
> | for a long time to come.
> |
> | I do realize the benefits of applying SP2,
> | but shouldn't "hey, where should I click now?"
> | home users not be cautioned more extensively?
>

Strange, MS document
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
suggest they are aware some of software which might give problems.
FF


"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> one single program that does not work properly.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
> "Dutch User" wrote:
>
> | "Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service
> | Pack 2 "
> | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
> | (list programs that need manual intevention to unblock access through
the
> | firewall"
> |
> | Joe Average will *not find (or look for) this information
> | after WU installs SP2 with his consent.
> |
> | But my local dealer also added another long list
> | of (some older, some recent) applications that absolutely refused
> | to run at all after having installed SP2 on several system,
> | probably due to SP2's new security implementations.
> |
> | AFAIK for many home users the answer to the question
> | "Are You Ready for WinXP SP2"
> | will remain "no",
> | for a long time to come.
> |
> | I do realize the benefits of applying SP2,
> | but shouldn't "hey, where should I click now?"
> | home users not be cautioned more extensively?
>

Sorry that was the wrong link see instead
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;842242
FF

"Fred" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Strange, MS document
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
> suggest they are aware some of software which might give problems.
> FF
>
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> > one single program that does not work properly.
> >
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP - Shell/User
> >
> > Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> > "Dutch User" wrote:
> >
> > | "Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP
Service
> > | Pack 2 "
> > | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
> > | (list programs that need manual intevention to unblock access through
> the
> > | firewall"
> > |
> > | Joe Average will *not find (or look for) this information
> > | after WU installs SP2 with his consent.
> > |
> > | But my local dealer also added another long list
> > | of (some older, some recent) applications that absolutely refused
> > | to run at all after having installed SP2 on several system,
> > | probably due to SP2's new security implementations.
> > |
> > | AFAIK for many home users the answer to the question
> > | "Are You Ready for WinXP SP2"
> > | will remain "no",
> > | for a long time to come.
> > |
> > | I do realize the benefits of applying SP2,
> > | but shouldn't "hey, where should I click now?"
> > | home users not be cautioned more extensively?
> >
>
>

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
news:...
> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> one single program that does not work properly.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User


I guess you missed someting:

"Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2"
http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2
"The programs that are listed in this article may experience issues after
you upgrade to Windows XP SP2."



You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351

"To avoid this issue, contact your application vendor to see if an update is
available that enables the application to work correctly with the DEP
feature."

"Dutch User" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
> news:...
>> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
>> one single program that does not work properly.
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>
>
> I guess you missed someting:
>
> "Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2"
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2
> "The programs that are listed in this article may experience issues after
> you upgrade to Windows XP SP2."
>
>
>
> You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
> Service Pack 2
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351
>
> "To avoid this issue, contact your application vendor to see if an update
> is
> available that enables the application to work correctly with the DEP
> feature."
>
>
I note MS say the programs 'may experience issues' the question is do they
experience issues and what are those issues. I do not expect MS to go to
extra-ordinary lengths to write their OS around other parties programs. I
expect those who write programs to run on WINXP to make whatever changes
necessary for their programs to remain efficient when MS updates/upgrades
the OS. It seems to me that these third party vendors of programs have had
ample opportunity to ensure their programs are fully compatible with the SP2
upgrade, after all the beta versions have been around for some time.

Like Carey, I have several of the listed programs on my machine and have yet
to experience 'issues', whatever 'issues' is supposed to mean. As far as I
can see SP2 installs faultlessly. There obviously will be machines and
configurations that give problems but I suspect they will be the minority
but as always the amount of noise that will be generated over the occasional
problem will drown out the majority of problem free installations.

I am amused to see many complaining about SP2 and reverting back to the
plain vanilla WINXP. I remember when WINXP was released and the howls
about it, probably by the very same people who are now holding it up to be
the model of stability.

Edward, I agree that it is up to software/hardware vendors to adapt their
software to function with the new SP2.
I have tried to contact vendors of my favourite software and my computer
manufacturers (as recommended by MS) for compatibility statements but I
presume they must be swamped with enquiries for I have only received replies
from about 10% of my enquiries.
FF

"Edward W. Thompson" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>
> "Dutch User" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
> > news:...
> >> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> >> one single program that does not work properly.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carey Frisch
> >> Microsoft MVP
> >> Windows XP - Shell/User
> >
> >
> > I guess you missed someting:
> >
> > "Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2"
> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2
> > "The programs that are listed in this article may experience issues
after
> > you upgrade to Windows XP SP2."
> >
> >
> >
> > You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
> > Service Pack 2
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351
> >
> > "To avoid this issue, contact your application vendor to see if an
update
> > is
> > available that enables the application to work correctly with the DEP
> > feature."
> >
> >
> I note MS say the programs 'may experience issues' the question is do they
> experience issues and what are those issues. I do not expect MS to go to
> extra-ordinary lengths to write their OS around other parties programs. I
> expect those who write programs to run on WINXP to make whatever changes
> necessary for their programs to remain efficient when MS updates/upgrades
> the OS. It seems to me that these third party vendors of programs have
had
> ample opportunity to ensure their programs are fully compatible with the
SP2
> upgrade, after all the beta versions have been around for some time.
>
> Like Carey, I have several of the listed programs on my machine and have
yet
> to experience 'issues', whatever 'issues' is supposed to mean. As far as I
> can see SP2 installs faultlessly. There obviously will be machines and
> configurations that give problems but I suspect they will be the minority
> but as always the amount of noise that will be generated over the
occasional
> problem will drown out the majority of problem free installations.
>
> I am amused to see many complaining about SP2 and reverting back to the
> plain vanilla WINXP. I remember when WINXP was released and the howls
> about it, probably by the very same people who are now holding it up to be
> the model of stability.
>
>

"Edward W. Thompson" <> schreef in bericht
news:%...
>
> "Dutch User" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
> > news:...
> >> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> >> one single program that does not work properly.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Carey Frisch
> >> Microsoft MVP
> >> Windows XP - Shell/User
> >
> >
> > I guess you missed someting:
> >
> > "Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2"
> >
http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2
> > "The programs that are listed in this article may experience issues
after
> > you upgrade to Windows XP SP2."
> >
> >
> >
> > You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
> > Service Pack 2
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351
> >
> > "To avoid this issue, contact your application vendor to see if an
update
> > is
> > available that enables the application to work correctly with the DEP
> > feature."
> >
> >
> I note MS say the programs 'may experience issues' the question is do they
> experience issues and what are those issues. I do not expect MS to go to
> extra-ordinary lengths to write their OS around other parties programs.

I aggree, but millions use these "other parties" programs.
That's the point of writing an OS, to make other programs run.


> I
> expect those who write programs to run on WINXP to make whatever changes
> necessary for their programs to remain efficient when MS updates/upgrades
> the OS. It seems to me that these third party vendors of programs have
had
> ample opportunity to ensure their programs are fully compatible with the
SP2
> upgrade, after all the beta versions have been around for some time.
>
> Like Carey, I have several of the listed programs on my machine and have
yet
> to experience 'issues', whatever 'issues' is supposed to mean. As far as I
> can see SP2 installs faultlessly. There obviously will be machines and
> configurations that give problems but I suspect they will be the minority
> but as always the amount of noise that will be generated over the
occasional
> problem will drown out the majority of problem free installations.
>
> I am amused to see many complaining about SP2 and reverting back to the
> plain vanilla WINXP.


The customers that complain do have a problem -
if your main application stopped working due to improved overall
OS internet en code-executing security, what would you do?
OK, they should probably complain with their program vendor,
but anyway, there is an issue.


> I remember when WINXP was released and the howls
> about it, probably by the very same people who are now holding it up to be
> the model of stability.



Read this:
http://www.flexbeta.net/main/article...ge=1&pagenum=2

There is a lot of messy-coded freeware (and some commercial software...)
available that will cause problems with DEP
See: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875352
(User Mode DEP is to be applauded, but it came late)

If you can read German: try reading this:
http://www.heise.de/security/dienste...ie/e5_23.shtml
(written for SP2)

If you can't read German: just go to the middle of the page (where is says
"Demo ausführen"


Click on the security-test link:
http://www.heise.de/security/dienste...dnd/start.html
(it's a harmless demo)

If SP2 gives a warning, it worked as expected.
(SP1 is vulnarable to this exploit)

"Dutch User" <> schreef in bericht
news:%23b3gh$...
>
> "Edward W. Thompson" <> schreef in bericht
> news:%...
> >
> > "Dutch User" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > >
> > > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <> schreef in bericht
> > > news:...
> > >> After installing SP2 on several machines, I have yet to find
> > >> one single program that does not work properly.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Carey Frisch
> > >> Microsoft MVP
> > >> Windows XP - Shell/User
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess you missed someting:
> > >
> > > "Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2"
> > >
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2
> > > "The programs that are listed in this article may experience issues
> after
> > > you upgrade to Windows XP SP2."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
> > > Service Pack 2
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351
> > >
> > > "To avoid this issue, contact your application vendor to see if an
> update
> > > is
> > > available that enables the application to work correctly with the DEP
> > > feature."
> > >
> > >
> > I note MS say the programs 'may experience issues' the question is do
they
> > experience issues and what are those issues. I do not expect MS to go
to
> > extra-ordinary lengths to write their OS around other parties programs.
>
> I aggree, but millions use these "other parties" programs.
> That's the point of writing an OS, to make other programs run.
>
>
> > I
> > expect those who write programs to run on WINXP to make whatever changes
> > necessary for their programs to remain efficient when MS
updates/upgrades
> > the OS. It seems to me that these third party vendors of programs have
> had
> > ample opportunity to ensure their programs are fully compatible with the
> SP2
> > upgrade, after all the beta versions have been around for some time.
> >
> > Like Carey, I have several of the listed programs on my machine and have
> yet
> > to experience 'issues', whatever 'issues' is supposed to mean. As far as
I
> > can see SP2 installs faultlessly. There obviously will be machines and
> > configurations that give problems but I suspect they will be the
minority
> > but as always the amount of noise that will be generated over the
> occasional
> > problem will drown out the majority of problem free installations.
> >
> > I am amused to see many complaining about SP2 and reverting back to the
> > plain vanilla WINXP.
>
>
> The customers that complain do have a problem -
> if your main application stopped working due to improved overall
> OS internet en code-executing security, what would you do?
> OK, they should probably complain with their program vendor,
> but anyway, there is an issue.
>
>
> > I remember when WINXP was released and the howls
> > about it, probably by the very same people who are now holding it up to
be
> > the model of stability.
>
>
>
> Read this:
>
http://www.flexbeta.net/main/article...ge=1&pagenum=2
>
> There is a lot of messy-coded freeware (and some commercial software...)
> available that will cause problems with DEP
> See: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875352
> (User Mode DEP is to be applauded, but it came late)
>
> If you can read German: try reading this:
> http://www.heise.de/security/dienste...ie/e5_23.shtml
> (written for SP2)
>
> If you can't read German: just go to the middle of the page (where is says
> "Demo ausführen"
>
>
> Click on the security-test link:
> http://www.heise.de/security/dienste...dnd/start.html
> (it's a harmless demo)
>
> If SP2 gives a warning, it worked as expected.
> (SP1 is vulnarable to this exploit)
>


In English:
http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/50051