MS SQL 2005 Express Broke VSS/SBS Backup

Did you change it to domain\user or local account? Mine is already set to
local account but the server startup is set to manual. I checked all the
other sql services and the are in either one of the two recommended formats.

--
Regards,
Mark Crall
Systems Engineer
Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33

If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try not
installing them...
"Nancy" <> wrote in message
news:4231422D-3851-4F25-9F29-...
> HOLY SMOKES I GOT IT:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=912414
>
> For me the following process had the .\username format:
>
> SQL Server VSS Writer
>
> I changed that, restarted ALL sql related services and then ran a backup
> from the Server Manager. It hung for a while at "preparing to backup from
> shadow copy services" but then suddenly it started to copy data over. I
> think
> it's the fund raiser dollar candy bar I bought while taking a walk to
> clear
> my head. That dollar donation changed my luck. That or my brain works
> better
> on chocolate
>
> I sure hope that works for you. Let me know if it does so I can submit the
> fix to Level Platforms as I've been less than nice to them the past two
> days
> over this!!!
>
> Nancy
>
> "Mark Crall" wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jamie,
>> The policies are still set as Not Defined.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mark Crall
>> Systems Engineer
>> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>>
>> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
>> not
>> installing them...
>> "thejamie" <> wrote in message
>> news:02E419EB-4D5B-48BA-B0B3-...
>> > Ditto here Mark. I'm not certain, but you may be able to reset the log
>> > on
>> > as
>> > service rights for the VSS.
>> >
>> > The VSS may not be able to start because it belongs to a service that
>> > doesn't have "log on as service rights" in your Default Domain
>> > Controllers
>> > Policy.
>> >
>> > Check the values in the "Log on as a service" rights in Default Domain
>> > Controllers Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Windows Settings ->
>> > Security
>> > Settings -> Local Policies -> User Rights Assignment. They have all
>> > been
>> > set
>> > to a SQL Server 2005 login.
>> >
>> > Bear in mind that the wizards for SBS rely heavily on SQL Server 2000
>> > databases and if the log on is adjusted incorrectly, the service will
>> > not
>> > be
>> > able to start when needed.
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Jamie
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I've had this problem now on two servers. The first time I installed
>> >> SQL
>> >> 2005 express on a SBS it caused the MSDE writer for VSS to stop
>> >> working.
>> >> I
>> >> resolved it by installing SQL 2005 Express SP1. This time, I
>> >> installed
>> >> SQL
>> >> 2005 Express SP1 and I'm getting the same thing. Has anybody else
>> >> seen
>> >> this
>> >> issue.
>> >>
>> >> Summary:
>> >> Installed MS SQL Express 2005 SP1 (in mixed authentication mode) on
>> >> SBS
>> >> 2003
>> >> SP1 standard and now the SBS backup will not run due to the following
>> >> error:
>> >>
>> >> Volume shadow copy creation: Attempt 1.
>> >> "MSDEWriter" has reported an error 0x800423f4. This is part of System
>> >> State.
>> >> The backup cannot continue.
>> >>
>> >> Error returned while creating the volume shadow copy:800423f4
>> >> Aborting Backup.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Per several KBs I ran vssadmin list writers but there were no errors.
>> >> I
>> >> also set the logon for the sql services to a domain\admin.
>> >>
>> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mark Crall
>> >> Systems Engineer
>> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>> >>
>> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
>> >> not
>> >> installing them...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Sorry. I set it to Local System account. Mine had been changed to a .\user
network account. Right now all of mine are local system accounts. Try setting
them all to local system and restarting them. This is how they are on the
other server I was having issues with however on that machine uninstalling OM
alone resolved the issue.

Needless to say we are reconsidering our use of the LPI software. The 5.1
software has also destroyed our SQL server on which we are running the SC
module. After sitting on the phone with LPI for some 2 or so hours they
"fixed" it after finding some errant data in a few tables under SCData.
within a half hour our memory leak was back and all apps dependant on that
server were inaccessible. The server was at such a crawl we could bearly work
in it locally. I uninstalled SC, then dropped the SC and OM databases and
deleted them and all backup copies. The only thing we've saved from that
install are our custom templates. We haven't decided if we're going to
reinstall and make another attempt at running this suite of software. As of
today I am evaluating two more demos for competing packages.

Good luck with that issue. If I think of anything more I'll be sure to post.

"Mark Crall" wrote:

> Did you change it to domain\user or local account? Mine is already set to
> local account but the server startup is set to manual. I checked all the
> other sql services and the are in either one of the two recommended formats.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Crall
> Systems Engineer
> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>
> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try not
> installing them...
> "Nancy" <> wrote in message
> news:4231422D-3851-4F25-9F29-...
> > HOLY SMOKES I GOT IT:
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=912414
> >
> > For me the following process had the .\username format:
> >
> > SQL Server VSS Writer
> >
> > I changed that, restarted ALL sql related services and then ran a backup
> > from the Server Manager. It hung for a while at "preparing to backup from
> > shadow copy services" but then suddenly it started to copy data over. I
> > think
> > it's the fund raiser dollar candy bar I bought while taking a walk to
> > clear
> > my head. That dollar donation changed my luck. That or my brain works
> > better
> > on chocolate
> >
> > I sure hope that works for you. Let me know if it does so I can submit the
> > fix to Level Platforms as I've been less than nice to them the past two
> > days
> > over this!!!
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Jamie,
> >> The policies are still set as Not Defined.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Mark Crall
> >> Systems Engineer
> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
> >>
> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
> >> not
> >> installing them...
> >> "thejamie" <> wrote in message
> >> news:02E419EB-4D5B-48BA-B0B3-...
> >> > Ditto here Mark. I'm not certain, but you may be able to reset the log
> >> > on
> >> > as
> >> > service rights for the VSS.
> >> >
> >> > The VSS may not be able to start because it belongs to a service that
> >> > doesn't have "log on as service rights" in your Default Domain
> >> > Controllers
> >> > Policy.
> >> >
> >> > Check the values in the "Log on as a service" rights in Default Domain
> >> > Controllers Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Windows Settings ->
> >> > Security
> >> > Settings -> Local Policies -> User Rights Assignment. They have all
> >> > been
> >> > set
> >> > to a SQL Server 2005 login.
> >> >
> >> > Bear in mind that the wizards for SBS rely heavily on SQL Server 2000
> >> > databases and if the log on is adjusted incorrectly, the service will
> >> > not
> >> > be
> >> > able to start when needed.
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Jamie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> I've had this problem now on two servers. The first time I installed
> >> >> SQL
> >> >> 2005 express on a SBS it caused the MSDE writer for VSS to stop
> >> >> working.
> >> >> I
> >> >> resolved it by installing SQL 2005 Express SP1. This time, I
> >> >> installed
> >> >> SQL
> >> >> 2005 Express SP1 and I'm getting the same thing. Has anybody else
> >> >> seen
> >> >> this
> >> >> issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Summary:
> >> >> Installed MS SQL Express 2005 SP1 (in mixed authentication mode) on
> >> >> SBS
> >> >> 2003
> >> >> SP1 standard and now the SBS backup will not run due to the following
> >> >> error:
> >> >>
> >> >> Volume shadow copy creation: Attempt 1.
> >> >> "MSDEWriter" has reported an error 0x800423f4. This is part of System
> >> >> State.
> >> >> The backup cannot continue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Error returned while creating the volume shadow copy:800423f4
> >> >> Aborting Backup.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Per several KBs I ran vssadmin list writers but there were no errors.
> >> >> I
> >> >> also set the logon for the sql services to a domain\admin.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Mark Crall
> >> >> Systems Engineer
> >> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
> >> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
> >> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
> >> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
> >> >>
> >> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
> >> >> not
> >> >> installing them...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

I understand your frustration with LP. I strongly suggest you contact
Alison Ramsdale with LP at aramsdale (at)levelplatforms.com and have her
take over your account. She is amazing. If you are an SMBTN member she can
provide you some great discounts too. (www.smbtn.org)

I will try your suggestions and let you know how it goes.

--
Regards,
Mark Crall
Systems Engineer
Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33

If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try not
installing them...
"Nancy" <> wrote in message
news:799B56C9-1824-4305-8EB6-...
> Sorry. I set it to Local System account. Mine had been changed to a .\user
> network account. Right now all of mine are local system accounts. Try
> setting
> them all to local system and restarting them. This is how they are on the
> other server I was having issues with however on that machine uninstalling
> OM
> alone resolved the issue.
>
> Needless to say we are reconsidering our use of the LPI software. The 5.1
> software has also destroyed our SQL server on which we are running the SC
> module. After sitting on the phone with LPI for some 2 or so hours they
> "fixed" it after finding some errant data in a few tables under SCData.
> within a half hour our memory leak was back and all apps dependant on that
> server were inaccessible. The server was at such a crawl we could bearly
> work
> in it locally. I uninstalled SC, then dropped the SC and OM databases and
> deleted them and all backup copies. The only thing we've saved from that
> install are our custom templates. We haven't decided if we're going to
> reinstall and make another attempt at running this suite of software. As
> of
> today I am evaluating two more demos for competing packages.
>
> Good luck with that issue. If I think of anything more I'll be sure to
> post.
>
> "Mark Crall" wrote:
>
>> Did you change it to domain\user or local account? Mine is already set
>> to
>> local account but the server startup is set to manual. I checked all
>> the
>> other sql services and the are in either one of the two recommended
>> formats.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mark Crall
>> Systems Engineer
>> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>>
>> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
>> not
>> installing them...
>> "Nancy" <> wrote in message
>> news:4231422D-3851-4F25-9F29-...
>> > HOLY SMOKES I GOT IT:
>> >
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=912414
>> >
>> > For me the following process had the .\username format:
>> >
>> > SQL Server VSS Writer
>> >
>> > I changed that, restarted ALL sql related services and then ran a
>> > backup
>> > from the Server Manager. It hung for a while at "preparing to backup
>> > from
>> > shadow copy services" but then suddenly it started to copy data over. I
>> > think
>> > it's the fund raiser dollar candy bar I bought while taking a walk to
>> > clear
>> > my head. That dollar donation changed my luck. That or my brain works
>> > better
>> > on chocolate
>> >
>> > I sure hope that works for you. Let me know if it does so I can submit
>> > the
>> > fix to Level Platforms as I've been less than nice to them the past two
>> > days
>> > over this!!!
>> >
>> > Nancy
>> >
>> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks Jamie,
>> >> The policies are still set as Not Defined.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mark Crall
>> >> Systems Engineer
>> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>> >>
>> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
>> >> not
>> >> installing them...
>> >> "thejamie" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:02E419EB-4D5B-48BA-B0B3-...
>> >> > Ditto here Mark. I'm not certain, but you may be able to reset the
>> >> > log
>> >> > on
>> >> > as
>> >> > service rights for the VSS.
>> >> >
>> >> > The VSS may not be able to start because it belongs to a service
>> >> > that
>> >> > doesn't have "log on as service rights" in your Default Domain
>> >> > Controllers
>> >> > Policy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Check the values in the "Log on as a service" rights in Default
>> >> > Domain
>> >> > Controllers Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Windows Settings ->
>> >> > Security
>> >> > Settings -> Local Policies -> User Rights Assignment. They have all
>> >> > been
>> >> > set
>> >> > to a SQL Server 2005 login.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bear in mind that the wizards for SBS rely heavily on SQL Server
>> >> > 2000
>> >> > databases and if the log on is adjusted incorrectly, the service
>> >> > will
>> >> > not
>> >> > be
>> >> > able to start when needed.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Jamie
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> I've had this problem now on two servers. The first time I
>> >> >> installed
>> >> >> SQL
>> >> >> 2005 express on a SBS it caused the MSDE writer for VSS to stop
>> >> >> working.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> resolved it by installing SQL 2005 Express SP1. This time, I
>> >> >> installed
>> >> >> SQL
>> >> >> 2005 Express SP1 and I'm getting the same thing. Has anybody else
>> >> >> seen
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> issue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Summary:
>> >> >> Installed MS SQL Express 2005 SP1 (in mixed authentication mode) on
>> >> >> SBS
>> >> >> 2003
>> >> >> SP1 standard and now the SBS backup will not run due to the
>> >> >> following
>> >> >> error:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Volume shadow copy creation: Attempt 1.
>> >> >> "MSDEWriter" has reported an error 0x800423f4. This is part of
>> >> >> System
>> >> >> State.
>> >> >> The backup cannot continue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Error returned while creating the volume shadow copy:800423f4
>> >> >> Aborting Backup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Per several KBs I ran vssadmin list writers but there were no
>> >> >> errors.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> also set the logon for the sql services to a domain\admin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Mark Crall
>> >> >> Systems Engineer
>> >> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>> >> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>> >> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>> >> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive,
>> >> >> try
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> installing them...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Hi Nancy,
I tried setting all the services to local and restarting them. No luck.
Same error. I'm going to try a few more things before I burn a support
call.

--
Regards,
Mark Crall
Systems Engineer
Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33

If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try not
installing them...
"Mark Crall" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I understand your frustration with LP. I strongly suggest you contact
>Alison Ramsdale with LP at aramsdale (at)levelplatforms.com and have her
>take over your account. She is amazing. If you are an SMBTN member she
>can provide you some great discounts too. (www.smbtn.org)
>
> I will try your suggestions and let you know how it goes.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Crall
> Systems Engineer
> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>
> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try not
> installing them...
> "Nancy" <> wrote in message
> news:799B56C9-1824-4305-8EB6-...
>> Sorry. I set it to Local System account. Mine had been changed to a
>> .\user
>> network account. Right now all of mine are local system accounts. Try
>> setting
>> them all to local system and restarting them. This is how they are on the
>> other server I was having issues with however on that machine
>> uninstalling OM
>> alone resolved the issue.
>>
>> Needless to say we are reconsidering our use of the LPI software. The 5.1
>> software has also destroyed our SQL server on which we are running the SC
>> module. After sitting on the phone with LPI for some 2 or so hours they
>> "fixed" it after finding some errant data in a few tables under SCData.
>> within a half hour our memory leak was back and all apps dependant on
>> that
>> server were inaccessible. The server was at such a crawl we could bearly
>> work
>> in it locally. I uninstalled SC, then dropped the SC and OM databases and
>> deleted them and all backup copies. The only thing we've saved from that
>> install are our custom templates. We haven't decided if we're going to
>> reinstall and make another attempt at running this suite of software. As
>> of
>> today I am evaluating two more demos for competing packages.
>>
>> Good luck with that issue. If I think of anything more I'll be sure to
>> post.
>>
>> "Mark Crall" wrote:
>>
>>> Did you change it to domain\user or local account? Mine is already set
>>> to
>>> local account but the server startup is set to manual. I checked all
>>> the
>>> other sql services and the are in either one of the two recommended
>>> formats.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Mark Crall
>>> Systems Engineer
>>> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>>> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>>> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>>> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>>>
>>> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive, try
>>> not
>>> installing them...
>>> "Nancy" <> wrote in message
>>> news:4231422D-3851-4F25-9F29-...
>>> > HOLY SMOKES I GOT IT:
>>> >
>>> > http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=912414
>>> >
>>> > For me the following process had the .\username format:
>>> >
>>> > SQL Server VSS Writer
>>> >
>>> > I changed that, restarted ALL sql related services and then ran a
>>> > backup
>>> > from the Server Manager. It hung for a while at "preparing to backup
>>> > from
>>> > shadow copy services" but then suddenly it started to copy data over.
>>> > I
>>> > think
>>> > it's the fund raiser dollar candy bar I bought while taking a walk to
>>> > clear
>>> > my head. That dollar donation changed my luck. That or my brain works
>>> > better
>>> > on chocolate
>>> >
>>> > I sure hope that works for you. Let me know if it does so I can submit
>>> > the
>>> > fix to Level Platforms as I've been less than nice to them the past
>>> > two
>>> > days
>>> > over this!!!
>>> >
>>> > Nancy
>>> >
>>> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Thanks Jamie,
>>> >> The policies are still set as Not Defined.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Mark Crall
>>> >> Systems Engineer
>>> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>>> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>>> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>>> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>>> >>
>>> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive,
>>> >> try
>>> >> not
>>> >> installing them...
>>> >> "thejamie" <> wrote in message
>>> >> news:02E419EB-4D5B-48BA-B0B3-...
>>> >> > Ditto here Mark. I'm not certain, but you may be able to reset the
>>> >> > log
>>> >> > on
>>> >> > as
>>> >> > service rights for the VSS.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The VSS may not be able to start because it belongs to a service
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > doesn't have "log on as service rights" in your Default Domain
>>> >> > Controllers
>>> >> > Policy.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Check the values in the "Log on as a service" rights in Default
>>> >> > Domain
>>> >> > Controllers Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Windows Settings ->
>>> >> > Security
>>> >> > Settings -> Local Policies -> User Rights Assignment. They have
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > been
>>> >> > set
>>> >> > to a SQL Server 2005 login.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Bear in mind that the wizards for SBS rely heavily on SQL Server
>>> >> > 2000
>>> >> > databases and if the log on is adjusted incorrectly, the service
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > able to start when needed.
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Regards,
>>> >> > Jamie
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Mark Crall" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi,
>>> >> >> I've had this problem now on two servers. The first time I
>>> >> >> installed
>>> >> >> SQL
>>> >> >> 2005 express on a SBS it caused the MSDE writer for VSS to stop
>>> >> >> working.
>>> >> >> I
>>> >> >> resolved it by installing SQL 2005 Express SP1. This time, I
>>> >> >> installed
>>> >> >> SQL
>>> >> >> 2005 Express SP1 and I'm getting the same thing. Has anybody else
>>> >> >> seen
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> issue.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Summary:
>>> >> >> Installed MS SQL Express 2005 SP1 (in mixed authentication mode)
>>> >> >> on
>>> >> >> SBS
>>> >> >> 2003
>>> >> >> SP1 standard and now the SBS backup will not run due to the
>>> >> >> following
>>> >> >> error:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Volume shadow copy creation: Attempt 1.
>>> >> >> "MSDEWriter" has reported an error 0x800423f4. This is part of
>>> >> >> System
>>> >> >> State.
>>> >> >> The backup cannot continue.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Error returned while creating the volume shadow copy:800423f4
>>> >> >> Aborting Backup.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Per several KBs I ran vssadmin list writers but there were no
>>> >> >> errors.
>>> >> >> I
>>> >> >> also set the logon for the sql services to a domain\admin.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Regards,
>>> >> >> Mark Crall
>>> >> >> Systems Engineer
>>> >> >> Charlotte Tech Care Team / Carolina VoIP
>>> >> >> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
>>> >> >> Charlotte SBS Group Leader - www.sbs-charlotte.com
>>> >> >> Direct: (704) 248-8328 x33
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If you think installing patches and security updates is expensive,
>>> >> >> try
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> installing them...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>