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Brian V
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      11-21-2009
Hi. I want to do two things. 1. Archive cd's and records I have into .wav and
then .mp3 files while being able to properly tag them and 2. I create my own
music and want to properly tag them.

If there is a program out, I am interested and willing to pay for it. Is
there a way to manually do what I am asking either?

When I rip files from an audio cd I right click properties, go into summary.
In Simple: I see title, subject, author, cetegory, keywords, and comments.
It is usually greyed out and inaccessable. There is also other information in
the advanced section, sometimes I can edit/write stuff in here. This is what
I want to talk about (These areas).

I was wondering if there is a way to be able to edit these sections, when
they are greyed out or I cannot change them.

I will say that in the advanced section I am usually able to add information
(eg: artist, song, album, genre, comments, etc). In the simple section it is
usually only title and comments I can change. The rest as I said is greyed
out.

I think these situations have something to do with open and closed sourcing?
I don't know about open and closed sourcing though.

Also, when/if I can access these areas, how do I lock them? I need to close
the information I put in to archived music and protect my own songs with
accurate information when I distribute my files.

I am a producer, song performer, dj and some other things. Since I am a dj,
this information helps me archive my digital files properly and I have
accurate and fast access to be able to mix and do tricks. I also like to use
my digital mp3 player (A Zune).

When I was using my Zune player, and checking some stuff out in the program,
I noticed it lets me access and change the information in the Advanced
settings I mentioned above. This is really good, but it works only with the
files a Zune uses (eg: mp3 and wma files), but not wav files. Because I'd
like the best quality I can have, and an audio file that works across a lot
of programs: I need the wav files to be copied first, then I convert to mp3.

- So if I use the Zune method it's: 1. rip or export as wma, 2. fill in
info, 3. convert to mp3 and wav, 4. Delete or have to store another file type
somewhere.

- As compared to: 1. Rip or export wav, 2. fill out info, 3. convert to mp3.

Thank you.
 
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Tim De Baets
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      11-22-2009
Brian V wrote:
> Also, when/if I can access these areas, how do I lock them? I need to close
> the information I put in to archived music and protect my own songs with
> accurate information when I distribute my files.


As far as I know, this isn't possible, and I don't think that there is
any format that prevents users from editing the metadata (IMO this would
defeat the whole point of metadata). Maybe it can be accomplished
through DRM?

> When I was using my Zune player, and checking some stuff out in the program,
> I noticed it lets me access and change the information in the Advanced
> settings I mentioned above. This is really good, but it works only with the
> files a Zune uses (eg: mp3 and wma files), but not wav files. Because I'd
> like the best quality I can have, and an audio file that works across a lot
> of programs: I need the wav files to be copied first, then I convert to mp3.


You can't edit the details of WAV files because this format doesn't have
any decent support for metadata. There are other formats that both are
lossless (so you don't lose quality) and support metadata, such as WMA
Lossless and FLAC.

Regards

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Tim De Baets
http://www.bm-productions.tk

 
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Brian V
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      11-24-2009
Tim thank you. I have been looking around and trying to learn as much as I
can.

There was a file I deleted on my computer two days ago that I think scanned
for my Norton/Symantec for some add on. The metadata part in simple was
strangely open and I could have put info in there. It was not a music or
video file. I don't have it, and this is not the first time I'v seen that. I
do think that in some professional recording studios or programs you can edit
the metadata in the simple mode. Various songs I'v downloaded for free off of
sites like soundcloud or promo I'v gotten from people has had open metadata
in advanced mode. Or not.

My Zune software allows me to edit the advanced metadata, but not the simple
past maybe the title and comments. Being able to edit the advanced metadata
is a highly useful function in the Zune software. It actually works with the
whole file outside of the program or a Zune player. When you burn cd's it's
the same thing. But it is only for the files the Zune software supports and
recognizes (eg: mp3, wma, etc) No wav though. damn........What I can try is
put out files in my producing programs in wma or the highest quality mp3
possible and use that as the master files. But this is too much memory.
Because it probably has to be converted into wma (lossless) first then mp3
and or wav. But does it keep the metadata? I assume so, and will shorty find
out.

If interested check out the new Pioneer cdj's (the 2000's and the mk3
1000's, etc), Serato scratch, Traktor, etc. They are mp3 and wav, or the
Apple Mac files. not wma. I just don't like this data condensing and losing
quality mp3 stuff.

Strangely enough I was using iTunes to fiqure out the same thing and see if
it went as far as Zune can. You can put the same info in for your metadata,
and I think a few more things. (Or just let the program find it all for you
like Zune). But it does not stick outside the program. Unlike the Zune, and
like most other programs.

No, I'm not a Zune spokesman. I'm excited at what it does, and will keep
looking for other stuff, one day I may not deal with a Zune. But I am sure
there are rippers or something out there. That route I have not gone. I'll
pay for programs to back up what I pay for. But I'm not worried. This has
been one huge amount of time in my life and huge learning curve. I love it,
but damn........I want to do some other things.

Being able to edit metadata is also important for video editing, and I was
checking this out too. It's similar information.

Long post, I know. But I also do this kind of stuff for anyone wanting to
learn.

Brian V

"Tim De Baets" wrote:

> Brian V wrote:
> > Also, when/if I can access these areas, how do I lock them? I need to close
> > the information I put in to archived music and protect my own songs with
> > accurate information when I distribute my files.

>
> As far as I know, this isn't possible, and I don't think that there is
> any format that prevents users from editing the metadata (IMO this would
> defeat the whole point of metadata). Maybe it can be accomplished
> through DRM?
>
> > When I was using my Zune player, and checking some stuff out in the program,
> > I noticed it lets me access and change the information in the Advanced
> > settings I mentioned above. This is really good, but it works only with the
> > files a Zune uses (eg: mp3 and wma files), but not wav files. Because I'd
> > like the best quality I can have, and an audio file that works across a lot
> > of programs: I need the wav files to be copied first, then I convert to mp3.

>
> You can't edit the details of WAV files because this format doesn't have
> any decent support for metadata. There are other formats that both are
> lossless (so you don't lose quality) and support metadata, such as WMA
> Lossless and FLAC.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Tim De Baets
> http://www.bm-productions.tk
>
> .
>

 
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