My last Blue Screen of Death: Bye Vista

Hi Vista lovers/haters/and all in between,

First: Some people in here are serious trying hard to help out
(thanks!), but I have had way too much Vista troubles now: I give up.

Too much in Vista is broken (even after SP1) to consider it a serious OS.
A *small sample* of my experiences:

- Backup is broken and doesn't offer any settings for advanced users.
It returned only 0800xxxx errors on me, no matter what I tried (sheduled
backup, fresh backup, etc). My filesystem was OK, and I didn't have any
extra users (and removed them, leaving some registry settings) on the
system (which was a known problem).

- My RAID1 kept failing (and rebuilding). To be honest: This could be an
ASUS P5K-E problem (my motherboard), I am not sure.

- System freezes. Power down was the only way out. (Which means a RAID1
rebuild)

- When I run Windows Update, I see an update for my LANdriver. If I try
to install it, my system freezes. This is a driver delivered via
Microsoft Update, not some obscure file found elsewhere.

- My logitech trackball mouse stops responding. Unplugging the usb, and
reinserting helps sometimes, sometimes not.

- My logitech keyboard and mouse are not recognized when I start up.
Unplugging the usb, and reinserting helps (always).
I do use the Logitech delivered Vista drivers.

- Vista oftens needs a few tries before booting. I couldn't find ANY
problem in my device manager, and am using ONLY vista drivers for all my
hardware.

The list goes on and on.
And on.


I went to the shop where I bought my machine, and asked for a XP Pro
licence, which they gave me without troubles.

I am a programmer by profession, and need to work on my OS, not fix it.
I use Gnu/Linux (debian) of course for my server. But I MUST have some
M$ software for some of my customers.

Time lost:
I understand I need a little time when using a new OS, no problem. I
estimate that investment on a week or so: Just to get used to it, read
important tech articles, etc.
But I think I lost now 3 weeks (120 hours) on problems with Vista.

My advise to all who consider using Vista is simple: DON'T.

I frequent this group, and I can predict some reactions on my post:
- Frank shouting I am a noob/facist/communist/etc,
- Kevpan saying FYI,
- somebody saying I need the right drivers (which I have),
- somebody saying THEY don't have any problems, so it must be me
screwing up the machine.
- etc
....the usual....

And I'll surely have a look at them when I return here, running XP pro.

No Ubuntu for me, allthough I love it, I simply need Microsoft software
for my customers, like: SQL Server support, a running IIS, etc.

This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who started
programming when he was 13, and kept working on programming/computers
ever since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).
I liked W2000/W2003 a lot, really, so I don't hate Microsoft or
something (except their monopolistic behaviour. And Steve Balmer I hate
too.).

I am not the noob, Vista is crap, and I will not wait for SP2/3/4
whatever to 'solve all problems'.
I do not care too much about the money paid for Vista (a few hundred
euros), I care about the loss of productive workinghours, which is worth
manyfold the price I paid for Vista.

Regards and thanks for reading my rant,
Erwin Moller

PS: All intelligent replies/opinions are very welcome.

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:08:31 +0200, Erwin Moller wrote:

<snip for brevity>
>
> PS: All intelligent replies/opinions are very welcome.

1. Back-up personal data/files etc. to removable media.
2. Check the motherboard for functionality.
3. Wipe/reformat HDD.
4. Re-install OS.

What firewall, anti-virus application or security suite is installed? There
are some that cause problems.
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"Erwin Moller"
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spam yourself.com> wrote in
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> Hi Vista lovers/haters/and all in between,
>
> First: Some people in here are serious trying hard to help out (thanks!),
> but I have had way too much Vista troubles now: I give up.
>
> Too much in Vista is broken (even after SP1) to consider it a serious OS.
> A *small sample* of my experiences:
>
> - Backup is broken and doesn't offer any settings for advanced users.
> It returned only 0800xxxx errors on me, no matter what I tried (sheduled
> backup, fresh backup, etc). My filesystem was OK, and I didn't have any
> extra users (and removed them, leaving some registry settings) on the
> system (which was a known problem).
>
> - My RAID1 kept failing (and rebuilding). To be honest: This could be an
> ASUS P5K-E problem (my motherboard), I am not sure.
>
> - System freezes. Power down was the only way out. (Which means a RAID1
> rebuild)
>
> - When I run Windows Update, I see an update for my LANdriver. If I try to
> install it, my system freezes. This is a driver delivered via Microsoft
> Update, not some obscure file found elsewhere.
>
> - My logitech trackball mouse stops responding. Unplugging the usb, and
> reinserting helps sometimes, sometimes not.
>
> - My logitech keyboard and mouse are not recognized when I start up.
> Unplugging the usb, and reinserting helps (always).
> I do use the Logitech delivered Vista drivers.
>
> - Vista oftens needs a few tries before booting. I couldn't find ANY
> problem in my device manager, and am using ONLY vista drivers for all my
> hardware.
>
> The list goes on and on.
> And on.
>
>
> I went to the shop where I bought my machine, and asked for a XP Pro
> licence, which they gave me without troubles.
>
> I am a programmer by profession, and need to work on my OS, not fix it.
> I use Gnu/Linux (debian) of course for my server. But I MUST have some M$
> software for some of my customers.
>
> Time lost:
> I understand I need a little time when using a new OS, no problem. I
> estimate that investment on a week or so: Just to get used to it, read
> important tech articles, etc.
> But I think I lost now 3 weeks (120 hours) on problems with Vista.
>
> My advise to all who consider using Vista is simple: DON'T.
>
> I frequent this group, and I can predict some reactions on my post:
> - Frank shouting I am a noob/facist/communist/etc,
> - Kevpan saying FYI,
> - somebody saying I need the right drivers (which I have),
> - somebody saying THEY don't have any problems, so it must be me screwing
> up the machine.
> - etc
> ...the usual....
>
> And I'll surely have a look at them when I return here, running XP pro.
>
> No Ubuntu for me, allthough I love it, I simply need Microsoft software
> for my customers, like: SQL Server support, a running IIS, etc.
>
> This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who started
> programming when he was 13, and kept working on programming/computers ever
> since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).
> I liked W2000/W2003 a lot, really, so I don't hate Microsoft or something
> (except their monopolistic behaviour. And Steve Balmer I hate too.).
>
> I am not the noob, Vista is crap, and I will not wait for SP2/3/4 whatever
> to 'solve all problems'.
> I do not care too much about the money paid for Vista (a few hundred
> euros), I care about the loss of productive workinghours, which is worth
> manyfold the price I paid for Vista.
>
> Regards and thanks for reading my rant,
> Erwin Moller
>
> PS: All intelligent replies/opinions are very welcome.

Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spam yourself.com> wrote in
news:47f5fe1f$0$14349$:

> I frequent this group, and I can predict some reactions on my post:
> - Frank shouting I am a noob/facist/communist/etc,
> - Kevpan saying FYI,
> - somebody saying I need the right drivers (which I have),
> - somebody saying THEY don't have any problems, so it must be me
> screwing up the machine.
> - etc

You forgot a possible hardware problem. (With the most common HW problem
being RAM, which can cause all the problems you have seen.)

"Erwin Moller"
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spam yourself.com> wrote in
message news:47f5fe1f$0$14349$...

> This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who started
> programming when he was 13, and kept working on programming/computers ever
> since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).

It's obvious then that you don't know how to build a computer, or determine
when you've got bad hardware. All the complaints you had about Vista are
most certainly hardware issues.

I've been running Vista since the day it came out on 3 different machines,
and it's been flawless. No lockups, no crashes, nothing. If the OS was at
fault, we'd all be having these issues - and we aren't.

Chupacabra wrote:
>
>
> "Erwin Moller"
> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spam yourself.com> wrote in
> message news:47f5fe1f$0$14349$...
>
>> This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who
>> started programming when he was 13, and kept working on
>> programming/computers ever since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).
>
> It's obvious then that you don't know how to build a computer, or
> determine when you've got bad hardware. All the complaints you had
> about Vista are most certainly hardware issues.
>
> I've been running Vista since the day it came out on 3 different
> machines, and it's been flawless. No lockups, no crashes, nothing. If
> the OS was at fault, we'd all be having these issues - and we aren't.

Flawless? No OS is "flawless." You make an ass out of yourself
claiming that Vista is the very form of perfection.

Smoking's not bad for you! I've been smoking for over thirty years, and
my lungs work flawlessly! If smoking caused cancer wouldn't all smokers
have cancer - and we don't!

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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:28:16 -0600, Chupacabra wrote:

> "Erwin Moller"
> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spam yourself.com> wrote in
> message news:47f5fe1f$0$14349$...
>
>> This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who started
>> programming when he was 13, and kept working on programming/computers
>> ever since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).
>
> It's obvious then that you don't know how to build a computer, or
> determine when you've got bad hardware. All the complaints you had
> about Vista are most certainly hardware issues.
>
> I've been running Vista since the day it came out on 3 different
> machines, and it's been flawless. No lockups, no crashes, nothing. If
> the OS was at fault, we'd all be having these issues - and we aren't.

Sure must be a lot of bad hardware out there!

"kurttrail" <> wrote in message
news:AcrJj.659$...

> Flawless? No OS is "flawless." You make an ass out of yourself claiming
> that Vista is the very form of perfection.

I didn't mean that Vista is the very form of perfection, only that it's
performed flawlessly for me. I've not had any crashes, hangups,
bluescreens, etc. It may have a few warts, but it works pretty well IMHO.
It's at least as stable as XP was, and everything I run on it has no issues.
Sure, it could be better (nothing is perfect), but in day to day operation,
I would consider it just fine.

Your mileage may vary.

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Hi Vista lovers/haters/and all in between,
>
> First: Some people in here are serious trying hard to help out
> (thanks!), but I have had way too much Vista troubles now: I give up.
>
> Too much in Vista is broken (even after SP1) to consider it a serious OS.
> A *small sample* of my experiences:
>
> - Backup is broken and doesn't offer any settings for advanced users.
> It returned only 0800xxxx errors on me, no matter what I tried (sheduled
> backup, fresh backup, etc). My filesystem was OK, and I didn't have any
> extra users (and removed them, leaving some registry settings) on the
> system (which was a known problem).
>
> - My RAID1 kept failing (and rebuilding). To be honest: This could be an
> ASUS P5K-E problem (my motherboard), I am not sure.
>
> - System freezes. Power down was the only way out. (Which means a RAID1
> rebuild)
>
> - When I run Windows Update, I see an update for my LANdriver. If I try
> to install it, my system freezes. This is a driver delivered via
> Microsoft Update, not some obscure file found elsewhere.
>
> - My logitech trackball mouse stops responding. Unplugging the usb, and
> reinserting helps sometimes, sometimes not.
>
> - My logitech keyboard and mouse are not recognized when I start up.
> Unplugging the usb, and reinserting helps (always).
> I do use the Logitech delivered Vista drivers.
>
> - Vista oftens needs a few tries before booting. I couldn't find ANY
> problem in my device manager, and am using ONLY vista drivers for all my
> hardware.
>
> The list goes on and on.
> And on.
>
>
> I went to the shop where I bought my machine, and asked for a XP Pro
> licence, which they gave me without troubles.
>
> I am a programmer by profession, and need to work on my OS, not fix it.
> I use Gnu/Linux (debian) of course for my server. But I MUST have some
> M$ software for some of my customers.
>
> Time lost:
> I understand I need a little time when using a new OS, no problem. I
> estimate that investment on a week or so: Just to get used to it, read
> important tech articles, etc.
> But I think I lost now 3 weeks (120 hours) on problems with Vista.
>
> My advise to all who consider using Vista is simple: DON'T.
>
> I frequent this group, and I can predict some reactions on my post:
> - Frank shouting I am a noob/facist/communist/etc,
> - Kevpan saying FYI,
> - somebody saying I need the right drivers (which I have),
> - somebody saying THEY don't have any problems, so it must be me
> screwing up the machine.
> - etc
> ...the usual....
>
> And I'll surely have a look at them when I return here, running XP pro.
>
> No Ubuntu for me, allthough I love it, I simply need Microsoft software
> for my customers, like: SQL Server support, a running IIS, etc.
>
> This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who started
> programming when he was 13, and kept working on programming/computers
> ever since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).
> I liked W2000/W2003 a lot, really, so I don't hate Microsoft or
> something (except their monopolistic behaviour. And Steve Balmer I hate
> too.).
>
> I am not the noob, Vista is crap, and I will not wait for SP2/3/4
> whatever to 'solve all problems'.
> I do not care too much about the money paid for Vista (a few hundred
> euros), I care about the loss of productive workinghours, which is worth
> manyfold the price I paid for Vista.
>
> Regards and thanks for reading my rant,
> Erwin Moller
>
> PS: All intelligent replies/opinions are very welcome.

What OS are you planning to use??

ray wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:28:16 -0600, Chupacabra wrote:
>
>> "Erwin Moller"
>> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spam yourself.com> wrote in
>> message news:47f5fe1f$0$14349$...
>>
>>> This is no random rant: These a serious complaints by a guy who started
>>> programming when he was 13, and kept working on programming/computers
>>> ever since (for 27 years now, makes me 40).
>>
>> It's obvious then that you don't know how to build a computer, or
>> determine when you've got bad hardware. All the complaints you had
>> about Vista are most certainly hardware issues.
>>
>> I've been running Vista since the day it came out on 3 different
>> machines, and it's been flawless. No lockups, no crashes, nothing. If
>> the OS was at fault, we'd all be having these issues - and we aren't.
>
> Sure must be a lot of bad hardware out there!

Seems that it takes Vista to expose it. Have you ever seen more "corrupted
files" then on a Vista machine? Damn, those Vista hard drives sure do fail
a lot.

Cheers.

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