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calderara
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      12-15-2009
Dear all,

I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and sudenly
after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has been set
to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.

Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my server
is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive IP
adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.

I have made following test :
On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my server
is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my client
machine but no luck ping fails.

What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy things ?

Thnaks for hep
serge
 
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Merv Porter
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      12-15-2009
SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on the
network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the DHCP
server for the network.

--
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
============================

"calderara" <> wrote in message
news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
> Dear all,
>
> I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and
> sudenly
> after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
> I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has been
> set
> to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
>
> Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my
> server
> is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive IP
> adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
>
> I have made following test :
> On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my
> server
> is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my client
> machine but no luck ping fails.
>
> What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
> Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy
> things ?
>
> Thnaks for hep
> serge


 
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calderara
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      12-15-2009
hello

after running the wizard client seems to get the dhcp setting from server
but I am not really sure because I a not able to ping the ip adress of my
server from client computer even by name.

but from my server I cqn ping my client either by name or ip adress.
So I guess somthing still wrong as it work only from server to client but
reverse fails

any idea is welcome I am lost...

regards


"Merv Porter" wrote:

> SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on the
> network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the DHCP
> server for the network.
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> ============================
>
> "calderara" <> wrote in message
> news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and
> > sudenly
> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has been
> > set
> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
> >
> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my
> > server
> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive IP
> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
> >
> > I have made following test :
> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my
> > server
> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my client
> > machine but no luck ping fails.
> >
> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy
> > things ?
> >
> > Thnaks for hep
> > serge

>
> .
>

 
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Merv Porter
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      12-15-2009
Please post the results of an ipconfig /all for the sbs server.

Also, run a scan with the SBS 2003 BPA to see if it can find any problems:

Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 Best Practices Analyzer
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

--
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
============================

"calderara" <> wrote in message
news:69FD5D1C-61E1-467E-9AFC-...
> hello
>
> after running the wizard client seems to get the dhcp setting from server
> but I am not really sure because I a not able to ping the ip adress of my
> server from client computer even by name.
>
> but from my server I cqn ping my client either by name or ip adress.
> So I guess somthing still wrong as it work only from server to client but
> reverse fails
>
> any idea is welcome I am lost...
>
> regards
>
>
> "Merv Porter" wrote:
>
>> SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on the
>> network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the DHCP
>> server for the network.
>>
>> --
>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> ============================
>>
>> "calderara" <> wrote in message
>> news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and
>> > sudenly
>> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
>> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has
>> > been
>> > set
>> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
>> >
>> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my
>> > server
>> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive
>> > IP
>> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
>> >
>> > I have made following test :
>> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my
>> > server
>> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my
>> > client
>> > machine but no luck ping fails.
>> >
>> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
>> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy
>> > things ?
>> >
>> > Thnaks for hep
>> > serge

>>
>> .
>>

 
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Duncan McC
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      12-15-2009
As Merv's said, if SBS detects another DHCP server, it shuts down.

To my way of thinking, you could probably fix it by just restarting the
DHCP service, or just reboot the Server and it'll run again.

Double-check that your router DHCP is not running.

And also what Merv said, if problems continue... post an ipconfig /all
from the server and a workstation.

--
Duncan.

In article <25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45->,
says...
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and sudenly
> after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
> I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has been set
> to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
>
> Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my server
> is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive IP
> adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
>
> I have made following test :
> On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my server
> is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my client
> machine but no luck ping fails.
>
> What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
> Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy things ?
>
> Thnaks for hep
> serge


 
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calderara
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      12-15-2009
Here is the config /all;
Host name . . . . . . . . . . : SOLATYS
Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . : solatys.local
Type of node . . . . . . . . . . : unknown
Routing IP activated . . . . . . . . : yes
Proxy WINS activated . . . . . . . . : Yes
Liste de recherche du suffixe DNS.: solatys.local

Ethernet Connexion au réseau local du serveur :

Suffixe DNS propre Ă* la connexion :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXt

Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . : 00-1E-C9-5C-D3
DHCP activated. . . . . . . . . . . . : No
Adresse IP. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
Masque de sous-réseau . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Passerelle par défaut . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
Serveurs DNS . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
Serveur WINS principal. . . . . . : 192.168.1.102

It is in french but I have translate main points. As you can see the DHCP is
still not activated and can not find out from where I should activated: I
have run many times the wizard...

Type of node is also set to Unknown
IP 192.168.1.1 is my adsl router adress

BPA did not say anything

thnaks for help
serge



"Merv Porter" wrote:

> Please post the results of an ipconfig /all for the sbs server.
>
> Also, run a scan with the SBS 2003 BPA to see if it can find any problems:
>
> Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 Best Practices Analyzer
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> ============================
>
> "calderara" <> wrote in message
> news:69FD5D1C-61E1-467E-9AFC-...
> > hello
> >
> > after running the wizard client seems to get the dhcp setting from server
> > but I am not really sure because I a not able to ping the ip adress of my
> > server from client computer even by name.
> >
> > but from my server I cqn ping my client either by name or ip adress.
> > So I guess somthing still wrong as it work only from server to client but
> > reverse fails
> >
> > any idea is welcome I am lost...
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > "Merv Porter" wrote:
> >
> >> SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on the
> >> network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the DHCP
> >> server for the network.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> >> ============================
> >>
> >> "calderara" <> wrote in message
> >> news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
> >> > Dear all,
> >> >
> >> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and
> >> > sudenly
> >> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
> >> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has
> >> > been
> >> > set
> >> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
> >> >
> >> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my
> >> > server
> >> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive
> >> > IP
> >> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
> >> >
> >> > I have made following test :
> >> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my
> >> > server
> >> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my
> >> > client
> >> > machine but no luck ping fails.
> >> >
> >> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
> >> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy
> >> > things ?
> >> >
> >> > Thnaks for hep
> >> > serge
> >>
> >> .
> >>

> .
>

 
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calderara
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      12-15-2009
My client PC is still not capable of finding DHCP server; I have try ipconfig
/renew with no help

"calderara" wrote:

> Here is the config /all;
> Host name . . . . . . . . . . : SOLATYS
> Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . : solatys.local
> Type of node . . . . . . . . . . : unknown
> Routing IP activated . . . . . . . . : yes
> Proxy WINS activated . . . . . . . . : Yes
> Liste de recherche du suffixe DNS.: solatys.local
>
> Ethernet Connexion au réseau local du serveur :
>
> Suffixe DNS propre Ă* la connexion :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXt
>
> Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . : 00-1E-C9-5C-D3
> DHCP activated. . . . . . . . . . . . : No
> Adresse IP. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
> Masque de sous-réseau . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Passerelle par défaut . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
> Serveurs DNS . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
> Serveur WINS principal. . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
>
> It is in french but I have translate main points. As you can see the DHCP is
> still not activated and can not find out from where I should activated: I
> have run many times the wizard...
>
> Type of node is also set to Unknown
> IP 192.168.1.1 is my adsl router adress
>
> BPA did not say anything
>
> thnaks for help
> serge
>
>
>
> "Merv Porter" wrote:
>
> > Please post the results of an ipconfig /all for the sbs server.
> >
> > Also, run a scan with the SBS 2003 BPA to see if it can find any problems:
> >
> > Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 Best Practices Analyzer
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
> >
> > --
> > Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> > ============================
> >
> > "calderara" <> wrote in message
> > news:69FD5D1C-61E1-467E-9AFC-...
> > > hello
> > >
> > > after running the wizard client seems to get the dhcp setting from server
> > > but I am not really sure because I a not able to ping the ip adress of my
> > > server from client computer even by name.
> > >
> > > but from my server I cqn ping my client either by name or ip adress.
> > > So I guess somthing still wrong as it work only from server to client but
> > > reverse fails
> > >
> > > any idea is welcome I am lost...
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > >
> > > "Merv Porter" wrote:
> > >
> > >> SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on the
> > >> network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the DHCP
> > >> server for the network.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> > >> ============================
> > >>
> > >> "calderara" <> wrote in message
> > >> news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
> > >> > Dear all,
> > >> >
> > >> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and
> > >> > sudenly
> > >> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
> > >> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has
> > >> > been
> > >> > set
> > >> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
> > >> >
> > >> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my
> > >> > server
> > >> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive
> > >> > IP
> > >> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have made following test :
> > >> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my
> > >> > server
> > >> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my
> > >> > client
> > >> > machine but no luck ping fails.
> > >> >
> > >> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
> > >> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy
> > >> > things ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thnaks for hep
> > >> > serge
> > >>
> > >> .
> > >>

> > .
> >

 
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Merv Porter
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      12-15-2009
Please post an ipconfig /all for the client PC.


--
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
============================
"calderara" <> wrote in message
news:B34F930C-C9CD-4BDE-BEE7-...
> My client PC is still not capable of finding DHCP server; I have try
> ipconfig
> /renew with no help
>
> "calderara" wrote:
>
>> Here is the config /all;
>> Host name . . . . . . . . . . : SOLATYS
>> Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . : solatys.local
>> Type of node . . . . . . . . . . : unknown
>> Routing IP activated . . . . . . . . : yes
>> Proxy WINS activated . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> Liste de recherche du suffixe DNS.: solatys.local
>>
>> Ethernet Connexion au réseau local du serveur :
>>
>> Suffixe DNS propre Ă* la connexion :
>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXt
>>
>> Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . : 00-1E-C9-5C-D3
>> DHCP activated. . . . . . . . . . . . : No
>> Adresse IP. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
>> Masque de sous-réseau . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> Passerelle par défaut . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>> Serveurs DNS . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
>> Serveur WINS principal. . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
>>
>> It is in french but I have translate main points. As you can see the DHCP
>> is
>> still not activated and can not find out from where I should activated: I
>> have run many times the wizard...
>>
>> Type of node is also set to Unknown
>> IP 192.168.1.1 is my adsl router adress
>>
>> BPA did not say anything
>>
>> thnaks for help
>> serge
>>
>>
>>
>> "Merv Porter" wrote:
>>
>> > Please post the results of an ipconfig /all for the sbs server.
>> >
>> > Also, run a scan with the SBS 2003 BPA to see if it can find any
>> > problems:
>> >
>> > Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 Best Practices Analyzer
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>> >
>> > --
>> > Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> > ============================
>> >
>> > "calderara" <> wrote in message
>> > news:69FD5D1C-61E1-467E-9AFC-...
>> > > hello
>> > >
>> > > after running the wizard client seems to get the dhcp setting from
>> > > server
>> > > but I am not really sure because I a not able to ping the ip adress
>> > > of my
>> > > server from client computer even by name.
>> > >
>> > > but from my server I cqn ping my client either by name or ip adress.
>> > > So I guess somthing still wrong as it work only from server to client
>> > > but
>> > > reverse fails
>> > >
>> > > any idea is welcome I am lost...
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Merv Porter" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on
>> > >> the
>> > >> network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the
>> > >> DHCP
>> > >> server for the network.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> > >> ============================
>> > >>
>> > >> "calderara" <> wrote in message
>> > >> news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
>> > >> > Dear all,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time
>> > >> > and
>> > >> > sudenly
>> > >> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
>> > >> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP
>> > >> > has
>> > >> > been
>> > >> > set
>> > >> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP
>> > >> > mode.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself,
>> > >> > my
>> > >> > server
>> > >> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to
>> > >> > receive
>> > >> > IP
>> > >> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I have made following test :
>> > >> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that
>> > >> > my
>> > >> > server
>> > >> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my
>> > >> > client
>> > >> > machine but no luck ping fails.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
>> > >> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some
>> > >> > messy
>> > >> > things ?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thnaks for hep
>> > >> > serge
>> > >>
>> > >> .
>> > >>
>> > .
>> >

 
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Merv Porter
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      12-15-2009
In the ipconfig result, DHCP should NOT be enabled on the server NIC (you
don't want the server NIC IP address to change unexpected).


--
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
============================

"calderara" <> wrote in message
news:21292956-A263-4C33-ACAD-...
> Here is the config /all;
> Host name . . . . . . . . . . : SOLATYS
> Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . : solatys.local
> Type of node . . . . . . . . . . : unknown
> Routing IP activated . . . . . . . . : yes
> Proxy WINS activated . . . . . . . . : Yes
> Liste de recherche du suffixe DNS.: solatys.local
>
> Ethernet Connexion au réseau local du serveur :
>
> Suffixe DNS propre Ă* la connexion :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXt
>
> Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . : 00-1E-C9-5C-D3
> DHCP activated. . . . . . . . . . . . : No
> Adresse IP. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
> Masque de sous-réseau . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> Passerelle par défaut . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
> Serveurs DNS . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
> Serveur WINS principal. . . . . . : 192.168.1.102
>
> It is in french but I have translate main points. As you can see the DHCP
> is
> still not activated and can not find out from where I should activated: I
> have run many times the wizard...
>
> Type of node is also set to Unknown
> IP 192.168.1.1 is my adsl router adress
>
> BPA did not say anything
>
> thnaks for help
> serge
>
>
>
> "Merv Porter" wrote:
>
>> Please post the results of an ipconfig /all for the sbs server.
>>
>> Also, run a scan with the SBS 2003 BPA to see if it can find any
>> problems:
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 Best Practices Analyzer
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>>
>> --
>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> ============================
>>
>> "calderara" <> wrote in message
>> news:69FD5D1C-61E1-467E-9AFC-...
>> > hello
>> >
>> > after running the wizard client seems to get the dhcp setting from
>> > server
>> > but I am not really sure because I a not able to ping the ip adress of
>> > my
>> > server from client computer even by name.
>> >
>> > but from my server I cqn ping my client either by name or ip adress.
>> > So I guess somthing still wrong as it work only from server to client
>> > but
>> > reverse fails
>> >
>> > any idea is welcome I am lost...
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> >
>> > "Merv Porter" wrote:
>> >
>> >> SBS will shut down its own DHCP service if it sees another DHCP on the
>> >> network. Re-run CEICW to allow the SBS 2003 server to act as the DHCP
>> >> server for the network.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> >> ============================
>> >>
>> >> "calderara" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45-...
>> >> > Dear all,
>> >> >
>> >> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and
>> >> > sudenly
>> >> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
>> >> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has
>> >> > been
>> >> > set
>> >> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP
>> >> > mode.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my
>> >> > server
>> >> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to
>> >> > receive
>> >> > IP
>> >> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have made following test :
>> >> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that
>> >> > my
>> >> > server
>> >> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my
>> >> > client
>> >> > machine but no luck ping fails.
>> >> >
>> >> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
>> >> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy
>> >> > things ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thnaks for hep
>> >> > serge
>> >>
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      12-15-2009
reboot does not help
Here is my latest test

If I set my client PC using DHCP; it recieve private adress as it can cannot
get it from DHCP server
If I set my client PC manually the suppose adress to access my server as :

IP : 196.168.1.110
255.255.255.0
Gateway : 192.168.1.102 (my server IP)

Then aith this I cannot ping my server but I can ping my router at 192.168.1.1
From my server side I can ping my client PC

I run out of idea
regards
serge


"Duncan McC" wrote:

> As Merv's said, if SBS detects another DHCP server, it shuts down.
>
> To my way of thinking, you could probably fix it by just restarting the
> DHCP service, or just reboot the Server and it'll run again.
>
> Double-check that your router DHCP is not running.
>
> And also what Merv said, if problems continue... post an ipconfig /all
> from the server and a workstation.
>
> --
> Duncan.
>
> In article <25A82F25-10F7-47F4-AD45->,
> says...
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have an SBS 2003 server which was working ok since a long time and sudenly
> > after a reboot , my client computer cannot detect my server DHCP.
> > I have noticed that mu FAI router as been updated and that DHCP has been set
> > to default value, so I wen to my router setting and desable DHCP mode.
> >
> > Since that time without changing any setting on my server itself, my server
> > is not anymore visible from network and client are not able to receive IP
> > adress from my SBS 2003 DHCP address.
> >
> > I have made following test :
> > On one of my client computer I have set manuall the IP adress that my server
> > is suppose to deliver, then I try to ping my server adress from my client
> > machine but no luck ping fails.
> >
> > What can I check else, I am out of idea ?
> > Does the fact of having 2 DHCP at a certain time has made some messy things ?
> >
> > Thnaks for hep
> > serge

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