my user has Administrator privileges, but I can't move a folder??????

Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.

Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.

Long ago I disabled UAC.

Why must this be so damned difficult?

c

c wrote:
> Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
> Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
>
> Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
> Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.

No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
>
> Long ago I disabled UAC.

Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.

>
> Why must this be so damned difficult?
>

<http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activate.htm#Summary_of_Vista_ Administrator_-_Super_User_(Hidden_Account)>

<http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and-folders-in-vista/>

On Oct 16, 10:54*am, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
> c wrote:
> > Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
> > Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
>
> > Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
> > Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.
>
> No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
> box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
>
>
>
> > Long ago I disabled UAC.
>
> Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
> a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.
>
>
>
> > Why must this be so damned difficult?
>
> <http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activa...)>
>
> <http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and...>

thanks mr. A.

So, essentially Vista is lying. Administrator isn't really that. We
could all avoid lots of confusion had they picked something else to
describe "enhanced permissions but not Administrator ones".

Checked that my user, joe, is owner of both SRC and Destination
folder, so why is it still complaining?

c

c wrote:
> On Oct 16, 10:54 am, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
>> c wrote:
>>> Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
>>> Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
>>> Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
>>> Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.
>> No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
>> box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Long ago I disabled UAC.
>> Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
>> a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Why must this be so damned difficult?
>> <http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activa...)>
>>
>> <http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and...>
>
> thanks mr. A.
>
> So, essentially Vista is lying. Administrator isn't really that. We
> could all avoid lots of confusion had they picked something else to
> describe "enhanced permissions but not Administrator ones".

No, those user/admin accounts can escalate to user/admin that have full
rights, but that requires UAC to be enabled to escalate to admin with
Full rights. The do not inherit full admin rights from the built-in
hidden Administrator account, like on XP. That link that's being talked
about on vista_administrator.

<http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-45312.shtml>

"In this mode (which is on by default for all members of the local
administrators group), every user with administrator privileges runs
normally as a standard user; but when an application or the system needs
to do something that requires administrator permissions, the user is
prompted to approve the task explicitly. Unlike the "super user on"
function from UNIX that leaves the process elevated until the user
explicitly turns it off, admin approval mode enables administrator
privileges for just the task that was approved, automatically returning
the user to standard user when the task is completed," explained Jim
Allchin, Microsoft Co-President, Platform and Services Division.

>
> Checked that my user, joe, is owner of both SRC and Destination
> folder, so why is it still complaining?
>

Well, in this case, you're just *user* joe, and you're not user/admin joe.

I suggest you go back and read the two links up above there about the
example in taking ownership, because joe is part of the Administrators
group. But just plain old *user* joe is not an administrator.

You know, you're really doing yourself a disservice by turning UAC off,
because you are on the Internet wide open to attack, just like you were
on XP, as that O/S gets hammered by malware with a user running with
full admin rights on the Internet.

On Oct 16, 11:17*am, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 10:54*am, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > c wrote:
> > > Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
> > > Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
>
> > > Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
> > > Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.
>
> > No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
> > box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
>
> > > Long ago I disabled UAC.
>
> > Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
> > a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.
>
> > > Why must this be so damned difficult?
>
> > <http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activa....)>
>
> > <http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and....>
>
> thanks mr. A.
>
> So, essentially Vista is lying. Administrator isn't really that. We
> could all avoid lots of confusion had they picked something else to
> describe "enhanced permissions but not Administrator ones".
>
> Checked that my user, joe, is owner of both SRC and Destination
> folder, so why is it still complaining?
>
> c

Actually just realized UAC is on. Corporate must have re-enabled for
me.

Is there a trick to allow moving this folder with UAC then?

c

c wrote:
> On Oct 16, 11:17 am, c <barney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 16, 10:54 am, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> c wrote:
>>>> Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
>>>> Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
>>>> Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
>>>> Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.
>>> No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
>>> box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
>>>> Long ago I disabled UAC.
>>> Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
>>> a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.
>>>> Why must this be so damned difficult?
>>> <http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activa...)>
>>> <http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and...>
>> thanks mr. A.
>>
>> So, essentially Vista is lying. Administrator isn't really that. We
>> could all avoid lots of confusion had they picked something else to
>> describe "enhanced permissions but not Administrator ones".
>>
>> Checked that my user, joe, is owner of both SRC and Destination
>> folder, so why is it still complaining?
>>
>> c
>
> Actually just realized UAC is on. Corporate must have re-enabled for
> me.
>
> Is there a trick to allow moving this folder with UAC then?
>
> c

Go take ownership of the folder pointing to Administrators as the owner.

And figure out how to use Run As Administrator.

<http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/always-start-an-application-in-administrator-mode-on-windows-vista/>

Use it on the Command Prompt short-cut and do the copy or enable on
Explore.exe maybe a short-cut if that's where you're being stopped.

If I understand the article correctly, in Vista, an administrator isn't
really an administrator. If I'm logged on as John and John is in local
Administrators group, I'd still be prompted if I want to install software,
move folders/files. Is that correct?

If that's correct, how does Vista restricted user (is it still called a
restricted user account?) differ from Administrator? I suppose if I'm logged
on as a restricted user, I can still install software if I enter
Administrator logon credentials when prompted, right?

Btw, I'm an XP user. I've never used Vista. That's why I asked.

"Mr. Arnold" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> No, those user/admin accounts can escalate to user/admin that have full
> rights, but that requires UAC to be enabled to escalate to admin with Full
> rights. The do not inherit full admin rights from the built-in hidden
> Administrator account, like on XP. That link that's being talked about on
> vista_administrator.
>
> <http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-45312.shtml>
>
> "In this mode (which is on by default for all members of the local
> administrators group), every user with administrator privileges runs
> normally as a standard user; but when an application or the system needs
> to do something that requires administrator permissions, the user is
> prompted to approve the task explicitly. Unlike the "super user on"
> function from UNIX that leaves the process elevated until the user
> explicitly turns it off, admin approval mode enables administrator
> privileges for just the task that was approved, automatically returning
> the user to standard user when the task is completed," explained Jim
> Allchin, Microsoft Co-President, Platform and Services Division.
>
>>
>> Checked that my user, joe, is owner of both SRC and Destination
>> folder, so why is it still complaining?
>>
>
> Well, in this case, you're just *user* joe, and you're not user/admin joe.
>
> I suggest you go back and read the two links up above there about the
> example in taking ownership, because joe is part of the Administrators
> group. But just plain old *user* joe is not an administrator.
>
> You know, you're really doing yourself a disservice by turning UAC off,
> because you are on the Internet wide open to attack, just like you were on
> XP, as that O/S gets hammered by malware with a user running with full
> admin rights on the Internet.

John wrote:
> If I understand the article correctly, in Vista, an administrator isn't
> really an administrator. If I'm logged on as John and John is in local
> Administrators group, I'd still be prompted if I want to install software,
> move folders/files. Is that correct?

Not in all situations with file movement or copying.
>
> If that's correct, how does Vista restricted user (is it still called a
> restricted user account?) differ from Administrator? I suppose if I'm logged
> on as a restricted user, I can still install software if I enter
> Administrator logon credentials when prompted, right?
>

Your user/admin account is only user/admin for the task required and
then you are returned to being a standard user.

I am going to give you the Vista understanding kit. You should read it.

<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709691.aspx>
<http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-45312.shtml>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc138019.aspx>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc160882.aspx>
<http://juice.altiris.com/article/2665/folder-virtualization-concepts-windows-vista>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382530(VS.85).aspx>
<http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activate.htm#Summary_of_Vista_ Administrator_-_Super_User_(Hidden_Account)>
<http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/enable-the-hidden-administrator-account-on-windows-vista/>
<http://www.securitypronews.com/news/securitynews/spn-45-20060601ASLRJoinsVistasBagOfTricks.html>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc162458.aspx>
<http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/10/08/user-account-control.aspx>
<http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and-folders-in-vista/>

On Oct 16, 12:41*pm, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
> c wrote:
> > On Oct 16, 10:54 am, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
> >> c wrote:
> >>> Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
> >>> Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
> >>> Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
> >>> Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.
> >> No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
> >> box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
>
> >>> Long ago I disabled UAC.
> >> Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
> >> a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.
>
> >>> Why must this be so damned difficult?
> >> <http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activa....)>
>
> >> <http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and....>
>
> > thanks mr. A.
>
> > So, essentially Vista is lying. Administrator isn't really that. We
> > could all avoid lots of confusion had they picked something else to
> > describe "enhanced permissions but not Administrator ones".
>
> No, those user/admin accounts can escalate to user/admin that have full
> rights, but that requires UAC to be enabled to escalate to admin with
> Full rights. The do not inherit full admin rights from the built-in
> hidden Administrator account, like on XP. That link that's being talked
> about on vista_administrator.
>
> <http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-4...>
>
> "In this mode (which is on by default for all members of the local
> administrators group), every user with administrator privileges runs
> normally as a standard user; but when an application or the system needs
> to do something that requires administrator permissions, the user is
> prompted to approve the task explicitly. Unlike the "super user on"
> function from UNIX that leaves the process elevated until the user
> explicitly turns it off, admin approval mode enables administrator
> privileges for just the task that was approved, automatically returning
> the user to standard user when the task is completed," explained Jim
> Allchin, Microsoft Co-President, Platform and Services Division.
>
>
>
> > Checked that my user, joe, is owner of both SRC and Destination
> > folder, so why is it still complaining?
>
> Well, in this case, you're just *user* joe, and you're not user/admin joe..
>
> I suggest you go back and read the two links up above there about the
> example in taking ownership, because joe is part of the Administrators
> group. But just plain old *user* joe is not an administrator.
>
> You know, you're really doing yourself a disservice by turning UAC off,
> because you are on the Internet wide open to attack, just like you were
> on XP, as that O/S gets hammered by malware with a user running with
> full admin rights on the Internet.

I read the taking ownership link and now understand it.

So checking C:\Users\joe, owner was system. I change to joe.

Checked C:\Users\joe\Documents\bsfolder and it already has joe as
owner.

Tried again and still same issue.

Let's back up here though. Why would Vista restrict the user joe from
doing ANYTHING under C:\Users\joe? Seems like I should be able to move
folders under here to my heart's content!

thanks.
c

Where is Tonto?
You are my half brother, Mr. Arnold
Where is our cousin, Chicken Little, and Mad Dog?
You are also a F***wit; the other side of the Family.

"Mr. Arnold" wrote:

> c wrote:
> > Trying to move C:\users\joe\Documents\bsfolder to C:\users\joe, but
> > Vista complains that I need administrator privileges to do it.
> >
> > Control panel -> user accounts SHOWS that me, user joe, does have
> > Administrator privileges. I'm logged in as joe.
>
> No, you're not user/admin with full admin rights with that out of the
> box user/admin account that Vista gives you.
> >
> > Long ago I disabled UAC.
>
> Well with UAC enabled you should have been able to escalate rights to be
> a admin with full rights. But you disabled UAC.
>
> >
> > Why must this be so damned difficult?
> >
>
> <http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activate.htm#Summary_of_Vista_ Administrator_-_Super_User_(Hidden_Account)>
>
> <http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/07/11/how-to-take-ownership-of-files-and-folders-in-vista/>
>
>
>