need XP/Vista upgrade and dual boot advice

Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on it
maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista upgrade
so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some of
these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do my
own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.

Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS 2007,
AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb & 100gb
ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.

This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero won't
work and would require a better video card with more memory.

For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do. I
guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
a waste on this old PC.

There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual boot
configuration so setting that up should be no problem.

Here are my main questions:
1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility testing
that I want to do as described above?
2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can do
a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to verify
that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the same
way for a clean install.

Any good advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Richard

"Richard Eagle" <> wrote

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> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> it
> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> upgrade
> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> of
> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
> my
> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>
> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> 2007,
> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> 100gb
> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>
> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> won't
> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>
> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
> I
> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> a waste on this old PC.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> boot
> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>
> Here are my main questions:
> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> testing
> that I want to do as described above?

Someone else will have to comment on this question.

> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
> do
> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?

Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of XP,
however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the quailfying
OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same time.
The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
installed.

This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have both
XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.

> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> verify
> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> same
> way for a clean install.

No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
workaround involving a double install.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Richard

Your best option, assuming that your BIOS makes it easy to switch from one
drive to another, is to buy a full retail version of Vista now, and create a
parallel installation as I have done.. this gets over the instabilities of
dual boot, allowing each OS to work independently..


"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
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> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> it
> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> upgrade
> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> of
> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
> my
> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>
> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> 2007,
> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> 100gb
> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>
> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> won't
> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>
> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
> I
> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> a waste on this old PC.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> boot
> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>
> Here are my main questions:
> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> testing
> that I want to do as described above?
> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
> do
> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>
> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> verify
> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> same
> way for a clean install.
>
> Any good advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Richard

The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home Premium and
Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are writing
video drivers.

With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest in
VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are booted
up in Windows XP

You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> it
> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> upgrade
> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> of
> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
> my
> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>
> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> 2007,
> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> 100gb
> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>
> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> won't
> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>
> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
> I
> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> a waste on this old PC.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> boot
> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>
> Here are my main questions:
> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> testing
> that I want to do as described above?
> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
> do
> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>
> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> verify
> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> same
> way for a clean install.
>
> Any good advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because of
the difference in price:
Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219

These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
.... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.

If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in say a
year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
don't want to buy a new PC now.

Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

Thanks,
Richard


"Rock" <> wrote in message
news:...
"Richard Eagle" <> wrote

Replies in line:

> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> it
> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> upgrade
> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> of
> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
> my
> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>
> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> 2007,
> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> 100gb
> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>
> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> won't
> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>
> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
> I
> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> a waste on this old PC.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> boot
> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>
> Here are my main questions:
> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> testing
> that I want to do as described above?

Someone else will have to comment on this question.

> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
> do
> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?

Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of XP,
however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?

Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the quailfying
OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same time.
The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
installed.

This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have both
XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.

> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> verify
> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> same
> way for a clean install.

No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
workaround involving a double install.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Thanks much Mike for you reply. That may be a better way to do it and
I think my BIOS will allow switching between bootable drives.

Richard


"Mike Hall" <> wrote in message
news:...
Richard

Your best option, assuming that your BIOS makes it easy to switch from one
drive to another, is to buy a full retail version of Vista now, and create a
parallel installation as I have done.. this gets over the instabilities of
dual boot, allowing each OS to work independently..


"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> it
> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> upgrade
> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> of
> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
> my
> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>
> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> 2007,
> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> 100gb
> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>
> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> won't
> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>
> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
> I
> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> a waste on this old PC.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> boot
> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>
> Here are my main questions:
> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> testing
> that I want to do as described above?
> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
> do
> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>
> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> verify
> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> same
> way for a clean install.
>
> Any good advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Thanks very much Richard for the information. I'll check out the VirtualPC
2007. I won't be writing any video drivers so that won't be a problem.

Richard


"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:%...
Richard

The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home Premium and
Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are writing
video drivers.

With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest in
VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are booted
up in Windows XP

You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> it
> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> upgrade
> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with Vista.
> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that I
> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> of
> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
> my
> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>
> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> 2007,
> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> 100gb
> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>
> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> won't
> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>
> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe the
> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
> I
> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> a waste on this old PC.
>
> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> boot
> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>
> Here are my main questions:
> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> testing
> that I want to do as described above?
> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
> do
> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>
> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for a
> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> verify
> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> same
> way for a clean install.
>
> Any good advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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"Richard Eagle" <> wrote
> Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because
> of
> the difference in price:
> Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
> Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219
>
> These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
> ... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
> and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.
>
> If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
> this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in say
> a
> year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
> operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
> don't want to buy a new PC now.

Absolutely. Retail versions, either full or upgrade, are transferrable to a
new system. Frankly I prefer the retail full version, even if more
expensive, so you don't have to mess with the double install or having the
qualifying OS installed, and get the tranferrability.

> Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
> not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

That's fine.

> Thanks,

You're welcome.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

> "Rock" <> wrote
> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote
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>> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
>> it
>> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
>> upgrade
>> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with
>> Vista.
>> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that
>> I
>> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
>> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
>> of
>> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
>> my
>> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>>
>> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
>> 2007,
>> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
>> 100gb
>> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>>
>> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
>> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
>> won't
>> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>>
>> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
>> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe
>> the
>> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
>> I
>> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
>> a waste on this old PC.
>>
>> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
>> boot
>> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>>
>> Here are my main questions:
>> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
>> testing
>> that I want to do as described above?
>
> Someone else will have to comment on this question.
>
>> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
>> do
>> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
>
> Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of XP,
> however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
> you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>
>> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
>> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>
> Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the quailfying
> OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same time.
> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
> copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
> that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
> installed.
>
> This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have
> both
> XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.
>
>> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for
>> a
>> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
>> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
>> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
>> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
>> verify
>> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
>> same
>> way for a clean install.
>
> No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
> workaround involving a double install.

Thanks Rock. I agree with you about the retail full version for the reasons
you state, and I ordered the Vista Home Premium full retail version.

Richard


"Rock" <> wrote in message
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"Richard Eagle" <> wrote
> Thanks much Rock for your reply. I was afraid of the answer to #3 because
> of
> the difference in price:
> Vista Home Basic Upgrade - $95 / Full - $180
> Vista Home Premium Upgrade - $146 / Full - $219
>
> These are amazon.com prices. The link you provided:
> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
> ... makes it very clear that legally I would need to buy the full version
> and not the upgrade even though I have XP Pro.
>
> If I buy the Vista Home Premium Full version and use it with dual boot on
> this XP PC, I can at least completely remove the Vista from this PC in say
> a
> year or so from now and install it on a new PC that I buy/build with no
> operating system. I may do that since I want Vista now (and XP also) but
> don't want to buy a new PC now.

Absolutely. Retail versions, either full or upgrade, are transferrable to a
new system. Frankly I prefer the retail full version, even if more
expensive, so you don't have to mess with the double install or having the
qualifying OS installed, and get the tranferrability.

> Also, to clarify, I only have the XP Pro upgrade installed on this PC and
> not the Win98SE which qualified me for the XP upgrade.

That's fine.

> Thanks,

You're welcome.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

> "Rock" <> wrote
> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote
>
> Replies in line:
>
>> Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
>> it
>> maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
>> upgrade
>> so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with
>> Vista.
>> Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that
>> I
>> write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see how
>> they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
>> of
>> these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to do
>> my
>> own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>>
>> Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
>> 2007,
>> AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
>> 100gb
>> ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>>
>> This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
>> upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
>> won't
>> work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>>
>> For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
>> don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe
>> the
>> Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to do.
>> I
>> guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
>> a waste on this old PC.
>>
>> There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
>> boot
>> configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>>
>> Here are my main questions:
>> 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
>> testing
>> that I want to do as described above?
>
> Someone else will have to comment on this question.
>
>> 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you can
>> do
>> a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
>
> Upgrades are intended to be installed from within an installed copy of XP,
> however there is a workaround involving a double install. At the minimum
> you must own a qualifying product to use the upgrade.
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>
>> 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
>> buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>
> Unfortunately no. The Vista upgrade license specifies that the quailfying
> OS and the Vista upgrade based on it cannot be installed at the same time.
> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. You will need a full
> copy of Vista or a second copy of XP for a dual boot. It doesn't matter
> that only can be run on a given computer at one time. Both can't be
> installed.
>
> This is the same as with the upgrade version of XP. You couldn't have
> both
> XP and the qualifying OS installed at the same time, per the license.
>
>> Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for
>> a
>> Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
>> upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
>> reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At some
>> point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
>> verify
>> that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
>> same
>> way for a clean install.
>
> No, Vista does not do a shiny media check. I gave you a link for the
> workaround involving a double install.

Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run Vista
(any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have said.
In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing on XP
and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all smooth
sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine should
be idea for you.

I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.

--
Regards,

Rick Raisley

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HeavyMetal Software Products
www.heavymetalpro.com

"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
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> Thanks very much Richard for the information. I'll check out the VirtualPC
> 2007. I won't be writing any video drivers so that won't be a problem.
>
> Richard
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> Richard
>
> The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home Premium
and
> Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
> limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are
writing
> video drivers.
>
> With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest in
> VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are
booted
> up in Windows XP
>
> You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> > Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium on
> > it
> > maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
> > upgrade
> > so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with
Vista.
> > Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts that
I
> > write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see
how
> > they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test some
> > of
> > these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able to
do
> > my
> > own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
> >
> > Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
> > 2007,
> > AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
> > 100gb
> > ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
> >
> > This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the Vista
> > upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like Aero
> > won't
> > work and would require a better video card with more memory.
> >
> > For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and I
> > don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that maybe
the
> > Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to
do.
> > I
> > guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
> > a waste on this old PC.
> >
> > There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista dual
> > boot
> > configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
> >
> > Here are my main questions:
> > 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
> > testing
> > that I want to do as described above?
> > 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you
can
> > do
> > a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
> > 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup with
> > buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
> >
> > Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify for
a
> > Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather than
> > upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
> > reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At
some
> > point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
> > verify
> > that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much the
> > same
> > way for a clean install.
> >
> > Any good advice will be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Richard
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