need XP/Vista upgrade and dual boot advice

Well, I need to open the case anyway to change the video card, and
the jumpers are set to cable select I think. It will only take a second
to disconnect the XP drive. I'll do that just for peace of mind while I
install Vista.

Thanks for the info. When I get a bettter PC in a year or so, I may try
the Virtual PC 2007.

Richard


"mikeyhsd" <> wrote in message
news:%...
why not just turn off/disable the drive in the bios instead of messing with
the dinky cables and pins.
just for info, I have run xp pro x-64 as HOST with vista ultimate 32 bit as
guest with total of 1gb of memory.
performance was acceptable.
of course it would been snappier with more memory, but it did work.







"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:...
Thanks for the tip Mike. To be safe, I was definitely going to disconnect
my
XP drive before installing Vista on the other drive. One thing that I will
do first is to upgrade with the new video card in XP before I install
Vista
on the other drive as you describe.

Richard


"Mike Hall MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
Disconnect the drive that already has XP.. install Vista as if it was the
only OS/HDD.. then jumper the XP drive as slave.. voila, two parallel
installations..


"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Thanks for your reply Rick. Since I have now ordered the Vista Home
> Premium
> full retail version, I'm thinking I'll probably install it on the 100gb
> drive and leave XP Pro where it is, on the 200gb drive. Would there be
any
> advantage to running Virtual PC 2007 over having Vista on its own
bootable
> drive since I can switch boot drives in the BIOS and won't be switching
> them
> that much anyway? From what I read here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...pc/sysreq.mspx
> ...it looks like you need more memory to be running XP Pro while having
> Vista running in Virtual PC 2007, plus they don't have Vista Home
Premium
> listed as a guest OS. Even if the Home Premium will run in Virtual PC
> 2007,
> it would probably run slow with only 1gb of memory.
>
> Yes, I agree that the extra gb of memory would be nice. XP Pro runs very
> well with 1gb on this PC. I'll see how Vista runs with 1gb. Adding more
> memory will be a simple upgrade if I decide to do that later.
>
> I wasn't going to buy any more hardware for this old PC, but I ordered
an
> ATI 9600 PRO 256mb agp card since my ATI 9250 128mb agp won't run Aero
in
> Vista and the OEM card was only $55 with the promotional discount that I
> received. Couldn't hardly pass that up knowing that not having Aero
> working
> would bother me...LOL.
>
> Richard
>
>
> "Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net> wrote in message
> news:...
> Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run
Vista
> (any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have
> said.
> In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
> went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing
on
> XP
> and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
> familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all
> smooth
> sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine
> should
> be idea for you.
>
> I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Rick Raisley
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> HeavyMetal Software Products
> www.heavymetalpro.com
>
> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
> news:%23n%...
>> Thanks very much Richard for the information. I'll check out the
>> VirtualPC
>> 2007. I won't be writing any video drivers so that won't be a problem.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> "Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> Richard
>>
>> The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home
Premium
> and
>> Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
>> limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are
> writing
>> video drivers.
>>
>> With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest
in
>> VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are
> booted
>> up in Windows XP
>>
>> You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> > Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium
>> > on
>> > it
>> > maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
>> > upgrade
>> > so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with
> Vista.
>> > Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts
>> > that
> I
>> > write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see
> how
>> > they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test
>> > some
>> > of
>> > these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able
to
> do
>> > my
>> > own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>> >
>> > Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
>> > 2007,
>> > AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
>> > 100gb
>> > ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>> >
>> > This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the
Vista
>> > upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like
Aero
>> > won't
>> > work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>> >
>> > For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and
I
>> > don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that
maybe
> the
>> > Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to
> do.
>> > I
>> > guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
>> > a waste on this old PC.
>> >
>> > There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista
dual
>> > boot
>> > configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>> >
>> > Here are my main questions:
>> > 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
>> > testing
>> > that I want to do as described above?
>> > 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you
> can
>> > do
>> > a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
>> > 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup
>> > with
>> > buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>> >
>> > Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify
>> > for
> a
>> > Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather
than
>> > upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
>> > reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At
> some
>> > point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
>> > verify
>> > that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much
the
>> > same
>> > way for a clean install.
>> >
>> > Any good advice will be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Richard
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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

why not just turn off/disable the hard drive in the bios.







"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message news:...
Well, I need to open the case anyway to change the video card, and
the jumpers are set to cable select I think. It will only take a second
to disconnect the XP drive. I'll do that just for peace of mind while I
install Vista.

Thanks for the info. When I get a bettter PC in a year or so, I may try
the Virtual PC 2007.

Richard


"mikeyhsd" <> wrote in message
news:%...
why not just turn off/disable the drive in the bios instead of messing with
the dinky cables and pins.
just for info, I have run xp pro x-64 as HOST with vista ultimate 32 bit as
guest with total of 1gb of memory.
performance was acceptable.
of course it would been snappier with more memory, but it did work.







"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:...
Thanks for the tip Mike. To be safe, I was definitely going to disconnect
my
XP drive before installing Vista on the other drive. One thing that I will
do first is to upgrade with the new video card in XP before I install
Vista
on the other drive as you describe.

Richard


"Mike Hall MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
Disconnect the drive that already has XP.. install Vista as if it was the
only OS/HDD.. then jumper the XP drive as slave.. voila, two parallel
installations..


"Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Thanks for your reply Rick. Since I have now ordered the Vista Home
> Premium
> full retail version, I'm thinking I'll probably install it on the 100gb
> drive and leave XP Pro where it is, on the 200gb drive. Would there be
any
> advantage to running Virtual PC 2007 over having Vista on its own
bootable
> drive since I can switch boot drives in the BIOS and won't be switching
> them
> that much anyway? From what I read here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...pc/sysreq.mspx
> ...it looks like you need more memory to be running XP Pro while having
> Vista running in Virtual PC 2007, plus they don't have Vista Home
Premium
> listed as a guest OS. Even if the Home Premium will run in Virtual PC
> 2007,
> it would probably run slow with only 1gb of memory.
>
> Yes, I agree that the extra gb of memory would be nice. XP Pro runs very
> well with 1gb on this PC. I'll see how Vista runs with 1gb. Adding more
> memory will be a simple upgrade if I decide to do that later.
>
> I wasn't going to buy any more hardware for this old PC, but I ordered
an
> ATI 9600 PRO 256mb agp card since my ATI 9250 128mb agp won't run Aero
in
> Vista and the OEM card was only $55 with the promotional discount that I
> received. Couldn't hardly pass that up knowing that not having Aero
> working
> would bother me...LOL.
>
> Richard
>
>
> "Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net> wrote in message
> news:...
> Definitely go to Virtual PC 2007. Using it, you can install and run
Vista
> (any 32-bit version, I believe), using a full license, as others have
> said.
> In that way, you can test on Vista and continue VB6 development in XP. I
> went the other way, as I was getting a new PC: New Vista, with testing
on
> XP
> and others using VPC (as well as my old machine). I want to become more
> familiar with Vista, and this forces me to do it. It hasn't been all
> smooth
> sailing, though, so keeping XP and running Vista on a virtual machine
> should
> be idea for you.
>
> I'd definitely up the memory, though. 2 GB should do for now.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Rick Raisley
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> HeavyMetal Software Products
> www.heavymetalpro.com
>
> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
> news:%23n%...
>> Thanks very much Richard for the information. I'll check out the
>> VirtualPC
>> 2007. I won't be writing any video drivers so that won't be a problem.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> "Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> Richard
>>
>> The computer you have now has the capabilities to run Vista Home
Premium
> and
>> Ultimate, with maybe some limitations due to your video card. These
>> limitations will not affect your program development, unless you are
> writing
>> video drivers.
>>
>> With an additional 1 gig of RAM you could also run Ultimate as a guest
in
>> VirtualPC 2007 (VirtualPC 2007 is FREE from Microsoft) while you are
> booted
>> up in Windows XP
>>
>> You have sufficient hard drive capabilities to do either.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>> "Richard Eagle" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> > Although I will buy a new, faster PC with at least Vista Home Premium
>> > on
>> > it
>> > maybe within the next year, for now I'm considering getting a Vista
>> > upgrade
>> > so that I can test things I create/use in XP for compatibility with
> Vista.
>> > Things like programs I write in VB6, and also OE stationery scripts
>> > that
> I
>> > write in JavaScript (with applets, embedded EOTs, flash, etc.) to see
> how
>> > they work in windows mail. I've already had someone with Vista test
>> > some
>> > of
>> > these things and they do work in Vista, but I still need to be able
to
> do
>> > my
>> > own testing and don't want to buy a new PC at this time.
>> >
>> > Current PC: XP Pro with SP2 and with IE7 and all windows updates, NIS
>> > 2007,
>> > AMD Athlon 2.1ghz, 1gb ddr400 ram, 128mb ATI radeon 9250 agp, 200gb &
>> > 100gb
>> > ata hard drives, soundblaster audigy, DVD burner.
>> >
>> > This PC runs XP SP2 with all updates very well. According to the
Vista
>> > upgrade advisor, this PC will run Vista but certain features like
Aero
>> > won't
>> > work and would require a better video card with more memory.
>> >
>> > For my purposes, and considering my current hardware limitations (and
I
>> > don't want to upgrade any hardware in this old PC), I think that
maybe
> the
>> > Vista Home Basic upgrade is all I need for the testing that I want to
> do.
>> > I
>> > guess the more expensive Vista Home Premium upgrade would probably be
>> > a waste on this old PC.
>> >
>> > There are plenty of articles on the web for setting up an XP/Vista
dual
>> > boot
>> > configuration so setting that up should be no problem.
>> >
>> > Here are my main questions:
>> > 1) Is Vista Home Basic all that I need for the limited compatibility
>> > testing
>> > that I want to do as described above?
>> > 2) Are the Vista upgrades like all past versions of windows where you
> can
>> > do
>> > a 'clean install' from the upgrade disk?
>> > 3) Most importantly, is it legal to have a dual boot XP/Vista setup
>> > with
>> > buying only the Vista upgrade and not the 'full version'?
>> >
>> > Of course I already have a valid copy of XP on this PC and I qualify
>> > for
> a
>> > Vista upgrade. When I bought the XP Pro upgrade years ago, rather
than
>> > upgrade the Win98SE that I was running, I backed up everything, did a
>> > reformat and then did a clean install from the XP Pro upgrade CD. At
> some
>> > point during the XP install, I was prompted for my Win98SE OEM CD to
>> > verify
>> > that I had it. Hopefully a Vista upgrade disk will work pretty much
the
>> > same
>> > way for a clean install.
>> >
>> > Any good advice will be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Richard
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MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/