Network printer wants password even with passwords turned off?!?!?

2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer sharing
are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password prompt
appears? WTF?

Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always always
wants user/password. Did I miss something?

Geoff

ratman and bobbin wrote:
> 2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer
> sharing are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password
> prompt appears? WTF?
>
> Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always
> always wants user/password. Did I miss something?
>
> Geoff
>
>

The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.

"Paul Montgumdrop" <> wrote in message
news:...
> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>> 2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer
>> sharing are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password
>> prompt appears? WTF?
>>
>> Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always
>> always wants user/password. Did I miss something?
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>
> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
> machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the same
> user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.

Paul
I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access turned
off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is stumping me
Geoff

ratman and bobbin wrote:
>
>
> "Paul Montgumdrop" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>> 2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer
>>> sharing are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password
>>> prompt appears? WTF?
>>>
>>> Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always
>>> always wants user/password. Did I miss something?
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
>> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
>> machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
>> same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.
>
> Paul
> I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
> turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
> stumping me
> Geoff
>
>

The machines are on a LAN and NTFS is in play here on both machines. I
don't know what this psw thing is for the print and file sharing on
Vista. My machine is not in a networking situation nor is the machine
hosting a printer on the LAN. But I have done similar things with other
NT based O/S(s) machines with NTFS in a LAN situation.

However, if NTFS is in play here, which it is, then NTFS is not going to
allow a machine on the LAN to access another machine's resources without
the NTFS challenge/response of user-id/psw given to access the machine's
resources.

Maybe, you're misinterpreting what is really happening here and
who/what/why the challenge is happening, because NTFS is issuing the
challenge.

Maybe this link will help you, because I don't think you're coming
around that NTFS challenge.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...7037.aspx#EFAA

"Paul Montgumdrop" <> wrote in message
news:...
> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Paul Montgumdrop" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>>> 2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer
>>>> sharing are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password
>>>> prompt appears? WTF?
>>>>
>>>> Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always
>>>> always wants user/password. Did I miss something?
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
>>> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
>>> machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
>>> same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.
>>
>> Paul
>> I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
>> turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
>> stumping me
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>
> The machines are on a LAN and NTFS is in play here on both machines. I
> don't know what this psw thing is for the print and file sharing on Vista.
> My machine is not in a networking situation nor is the machine hosting a
> printer on the LAN. But I have done similar things with other NT based
> O/S(s) machines with NTFS in a LAN situation.
>
> However, if NTFS is in play here, which it is, then NTFS is not going to
> allow a machine on the LAN to access another machine's resources without
> the NTFS challenge/response of user-id/psw given to access the machine's
> resources.
>
> Maybe, you're misinterpreting what is really happening here and
> who/what/why the challenge is happening, because NTFS is issuing the
> challenge.
>
> Maybe this link will help you, because I don't think you're coming around
> that NTFS challenge.
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...7037.aspx#EFAA

This from the article
quote
If you are using a computer connected to a workgroup, click the arrow button
next to Password protected sharing to expand this section, and then check to
see if password-protected sharing is turned on or off. If it is turned on,
only people with a user account and password for this computer will be able
to access your printer. Turn this off if you want anyone on the network to
be able to access the printer you are sharing. To change this setting,
select the option you prefer, and then click Apply. If you are prompted for
an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
confirmation.
unquote

I have turned the password protected sharing off so do not expect it to
demand a user/password
Geoff

ratman and bobbin wrote:
>
>
> "Paul Montgumdrop" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul Montgumdrop" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>>>> 2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer
>>>>> sharing are turned off but when attempting to connect a
>>>>> user/password prompt appears? WTF?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always
>>>>> always always wants user/password. Did I miss something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
>>>> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the
>>>> other machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then
>>>> use the same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be
>>>> prompted.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
>>> turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
>>> stumping me
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The machines are on a LAN and NTFS is in play here on both machines. I
>> don't know what this psw thing is for the print and file sharing on
>> Vista. My machine is not in a networking situation nor is the machine
>> hosting a printer on the LAN. But I have done similar things with
>> other NT based O/S(s) machines with NTFS in a LAN situation.
>>
>> However, if NTFS is in play here, which it is, then NTFS is not going
>> to allow a machine on the LAN to access another machine's resources
>> without the NTFS challenge/response of user-id/psw given to access the
>> machine's resources.
>>
>> Maybe, you're misinterpreting what is really happening here and
>> who/what/why the challenge is happening, because NTFS is issuing the
>> challenge.
>>
>> Maybe this link will help you, because I don't think you're coming
>> around that NTFS challenge.
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...7037.aspx#EFAA
>
> This from the article
> quote
> If you are using a computer connected to a workgroup, click the arrow
> button next to Password protected sharing to expand this section, and
> then check to see if password-protected sharing is turned on or off. If
> it is turned on, only people with a user account and password for this
> computer will be able to access your printer. Turn this off if you want
> anyone on the network to be able to access the printer you are sharing.
> To change this setting, select the option you prefer, and then click
> Apply. If you are prompted for an administrator password or
> confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
> unquote
>
> I have turned the password protected sharing off so do not expect it to
> demand a user/password
> Geoff

I disagree with your assessment. And that is obviously not the case,
because you would not be getting the challenge from NTFS, which is where
that challenge is coming from. NTFS doesn't know that *Everyone* is to
have access to that printer, therefore, it's blocking the access, and
NTFS is challenging the remote user to give user-id and psw on the host
computer to gain access.

You're not coming around it unless you indicate to NTFS that the
*Everyone* group account has rights to access the printer on the host
computer so that NTFS doesn't challenge or you start creating individual
accounts on the host machine so that remote users can use the remote
printer because NTFS is going to challenge or use the same user-id and
psw on all NT based O/S machine using NTFS to gain access to the host
computer so that NTFS will not issue the challenge.

NTFS is NTFS and NTFS is in charge, and you seem to be ignoring NTFS.

You need to recognize who is doing what

ratman and bobbin wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
>> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
>> machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
>> same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.
>
> Paul
> I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
> turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
> stumping me
> Geoff
>
>


You have to use the same username and *non-blank* password on each machine.


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"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
news:...
> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
>>> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
>>> machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
>>> same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.

Issue resolved. Problem was caused by same id but different passwords on
each machine. TBH I hadnt realised there were identical Id's.

As this is a home network then password checking has been disabled. Simply
removing the id from one machine and re-creating a different user allows
non-passworded printer sharing.

Appreciate those of you who took the time to help!

Geoff

Bruce Chambers <3t> wrote:
>
> > > The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
> > > require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
> > > machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
> > > same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.
> >
> > Paul
> > I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
> > turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
> > stumping me
> > Geoff
> >
>
> You have to use the same username and *non-blank* password on each
> machine.

You do not have to use the same usernames. What gives you that idea? Just
imagine the mess on a large workgroup if that was true.

ss.

ratman and bobbin wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
> news:...
>> ratman and bobbin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
>>>> require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the
>>>> other machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then
>>>> use the same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be
>>>> prompted.
>
> Issue resolved. Problem was caused by same id but different passwords on
> each machine. TBH I hadnt realised there were identical Id's.
>
> As this is a home network then password checking has been disabled.
> Simply removing the id from one machine and re-creating a different user
> allows
> non-passworded printer sharing.
>
> Appreciate those of you who took the time to help!
>

You had a NTFS issue is the bottom line.