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Ken,
In order to give sound to the default Windows Media Player 11, which is 32-bit, you need the 32-bit version of ffdshow. http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm Download it and install it. Please note that during the install you will have to choose a different Program group (the one that shows in the Start, Programs, menu) in order not to overwrite the one created by ffdshow x64. Both tend to create a Program group named "ffdshow". There is no conflict with their installations in the Program Files section. ffdshow x86 goes to C:\Program Files (x86) and coexists peacefully with its x64 partner. Check now if WMP11 32-bit has sound. I believe that Media Center is 64-bit, but it doesn't hurt to try again after installing ffdshow x86. Best of luck! Carlos "Ken Triebold" wrote: > Carlos, here is what I found: > 1. In Media Player Home Cinema, View, Options, Output, the device in > DirectShow Audio is "System Default". In ffdshow x64, Audio Decoder > Configuration, Mixer, Output, Connect to is shown as "Any Filter". There > were two other options: "DirectSound" and "WaveOut". I left it at "Any > Filter" since none of the three options matched "System Default". > > 2. I tried Windows Media Player 11 x64 and it worked fine (got sound). The > filename is wmplayer.exe but I am sure it is the 64 bit version because it > was located under Program Files (not Program Files x86). Then I tried Media > Center and the default Media Player (32 bit) and they both still did not > have sound. So Media Player x64 gives sound but Media Center and Media > Player 32 do not give sound. > > 3. Sorry, but I don't know which audio I am choosing nor do I know how to > determine that. Maybe it is not relevant now based on what I found out in > item 2 above. > > -Ken > > > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message > news:6566BAA2-349F-408F-A754-... > > It should be 3/2/1 - 6 channels, but I don't think it will make any > > difference because you have no sound at all. > > There is something else you might try. > > Open Media Player Home Cinema x64, and click on View, Options. > > On the left pane click on "Output" in the Playback section. > > Take note of the device in "DirectShow Audio" on the right pane. > > It is a dropdown list with options like System Default, DirectSound, etc. > > Just take note of what it is there right now that ensures that the 5.1 > > audio, when directed to that device, gives you speaker sound. > > Now go again to the Audio Decoder Configuration in ffdshow x64 and click > > on > > Output in the Mixer Section (left pane). > > Check the selection (right pane) of "Connect to:" and make it equal to the > > one in Media Player Home Cinema (same output device). > > Click Ok and try again with Media Center. > > > > You could also try playing your DVD with Windows Media Player 11 x64. > > Its executable is in the C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player folder. > > Note that the default WMP11 in Vista x64 is the 32-bit one and we want to > > run the 64-bit version in order to test x64 audio decoding. > > So try using WMP11 x64 and check if you have audio. > > If you have audio then the problem is Media Center specific and we will > > have > > narrowed it there. > > If you don't have audio then we are not decoding properly it, 64-bit wise. > > > > Last but not least, what audio are you choosing: AC3 (a.k.a. "Dolby 5.1) > > or > > DTS? > > If it is DTS we have not done any check so far. > > DTS is the following format (next row) after AC3 in ffdshow x64. > > > > Carlos > > > > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > > > >> OK Carlos, I looked at ffdshow x64 and here is what I found: > >> 1. The AC3 Decoder was set to liba52 so I left it alone. > >> 2. The output speaker configuration shown in Mixer was set to 3/0/2 - 5 > >> channels so I left that alone too but I am not entirely sure this is > >> correct. My speaker system is 5.1 surround sound with two front speakers, > >> one center speaker, one woofer, and two rear speakers. > >> > >> -Ken > >> > >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> news:419FE9EA-0535-45E8-8DE0-... > >> > Ken, > >> > That is good news. > >> > You have a working x64 Player now because it has its own AC3/DTS audio > >> > decoder (the 5.1 sound of DVD's) and your audio setup is fine. > >> > Always check here: > >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> > for updates, it is the MPC Home Cinema project page. > >> > > >> > Now, getting back to your issue with Media Center... > >> > I assume you have already installed ffdshow x64. > >> > Let's see its Audio Configuration. > >> > Start, Programs, ffdshow, Audio Decoder Configuration. > >> > Click on "Codecs" o the left pane. > >> > Choose AC3 on the "Format" column, right pane. > >> > What do you have in the AC3 row, Decoder column? > >> > Make sure it is not "Disabled" or "S/PDIF". > >> > Disabled is... well... disabled, and you surely don't want that. > >> > S/PDIF means that your sound goes to the optical connection and from > >> > there > >> > to an external decoder. > >> > Choose the "other" option (I am not at my Vista x64 PC now but it > >> > shoudl > >> > be > >> > something like "liba52") > >> > Maybe you can find something there. > >> > > >> > Also click on Mixer (left pane) and take look at the Output speakers > >> > configuration. > >> > Does it match your system? > >> > > >> > Carlos > >> > > >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Carlos, I searched on "Media Player Classic x64" and found this link: > >> >> http://www.start64.com/index.php?opt...1376&Itemid=72 > >> >> > >> >> That link allowed me to download a 64 bit version of Media Player > >> >> Classic > >> >> HomeCinema. I was shocked to find that my DVD's played correctly (with > >> >> sound) using that player. I then checked once again on Windows Media > >> >> Player > >> >> and Windows Media Center and the DVD did not produce sound on either > >> >> of > >> >> those. As you said in your last post, I now know that this is a Media > >> >> Center > >> >> settings issue so I will pursue that further. Maybe the link that > >> >> Dominic > >> >> Payer provided in his message will help me out. At least now I have a > >> >> way > >> >> to > >> >> play DVD's even though I really want to get Windows Media Center > >> >> working > >> >> as > >> >> it should. Thanks for all your help. > >> >> > >> >> -Ken > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> news:73AEAB89-2876-4545-ABED-... > >> >> > Ken, > >> >> > If you try Media Player Classic x64 and you have sound, then you > >> >> > will > >> >> > be > >> >> > sure it is a Media Center settings issue. > >> >> > If you don't have sound, then you will have to look elsewhere. > >> >> > Carlos > >> >> > > >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I downloaded and installed the x64 codec that > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> mentioned but it didn't seem to make any difference. There are some > >> >> >> guys > >> >> >> on > >> >> >> the Media Center forum that think my problem is more related to > >> >> >> settings, > >> >> >> but I haven't made any real progress with that either. Thanks for > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> help > >> >> >> though. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:7CEA1DB8-570A-4034-90F0-... > >> >> >> > Ken, > >> >> >> > Here you have a freeware multiformat x64 audio/video decoder. > >> >> >> > This is the direct download link: > >> >> >> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffd...1&big_mirror=0 > >> >> >> > This is the web page you can check for updates. > >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=199416 > >> >> >> > The decoder is labeled as "64-bit builds (experimental)" but I > >> >> >> > works > >> >> >> > flawlessly for me. > >> >> >> > The other decoders in that page are 32-bit. > >> >> >> > I also use them and they coexist pacefully in Vista x64. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > as a bonus, you might also want to try the lightweight x64 "Media > >> >> >> > Player > >> >> >> > Classic" > >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Carlos > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> I have just built a new computer, and it seems to be running > >> >> >> >> pretty > >> >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> have Vista Home Premium 64 bit. One thing I noticed is that I > >> >> >> >> have > >> >> >> >> picture > >> >> >> >> but no sound when playing a movie DVD. When I play a music CD > >> >> >> >> sound > >> >> >> >> works > >> >> >> >> normally. Someone advised me that this is because I need a codec > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> DVD > >> >> >> >> sound. I then downloaded and installed a couple of free codecs, > >> >> >> >> but > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> did > >> >> >> >> not improve the situation. I read on Windows Help that my > >> >> >> >> operating > >> >> >> >> system > >> >> >> >> requires a codec that is written in 64 bit, so that could be the > >> >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> >> since the codecs that I downloaded were probably 32 bit. I > >> >> >> >> imagine > >> >> >> >> finding a > >> >> >> >> 64 bit codec will be pretty hard to find. Am I on the right > >> >> >> >> track > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> solving > >> >> >> >> this problem? Does anyone know if a 64 bit codec will be > >> >> >> >> included > >> >> >> >> with > >> >> >> >> SP1? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > |
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Ken Triebold
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Carlos, I downloaded and installed the 32 bit version of ffdshow. I then
tried Windows Media Player 32 bit and Windows Media Center and they both did not have sound. I tried Windows Media Player 64 bit again and it still does have sound. -Ken "Carlos" <> wrote in message news:E6CC86F1-21FD-4CD9-8A02-... > Ken, > In order to give sound to the default Windows Media Player 11, which is > 32-bit, you need the 32-bit version of ffdshow. > http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm > Download it and install it. > Please note that during the install you will have to choose a different > Program group (the one that shows in the Start, Programs, menu) in order > not > to overwrite the one created by ffdshow x64. > Both tend to create a Program group named "ffdshow". > There is no conflict with their installations in the Program Files > section. > ffdshow x86 goes to C:\Program Files (x86) > and coexists peacefully with its x64 partner. > Check now if WMP11 32-bit has sound. > I believe that Media Center is 64-bit, but it doesn't hurt to try again > after installing ffdshow x86. > Best of luck! > Carlos > > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> Carlos, here is what I found: >> 1. In Media Player Home Cinema, View, Options, Output, the device in >> DirectShow Audio is "System Default". In ffdshow x64, Audio Decoder >> Configuration, Mixer, Output, Connect to is shown as "Any Filter". There >> were two other options: "DirectSound" and "WaveOut". I left it at "Any >> Filter" since none of the three options matched "System Default". >> >> 2. I tried Windows Media Player 11 x64 and it worked fine (got sound). >> The >> filename is wmplayer.exe but I am sure it is the 64 bit version because >> it >> was located under Program Files (not Program Files x86). Then I tried >> Media >> Center and the default Media Player (32 bit) and they both still did not >> have sound. So Media Player x64 gives sound but Media Center and Media >> Player 32 do not give sound. >> >> 3. Sorry, but I don't know which audio I am choosing nor do I know how to >> determine that. Maybe it is not relevant now based on what I found out in >> item 2 above. >> >> -Ken >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> news:6566BAA2-349F-408F-A754-... >> > It should be 3/2/1 - 6 channels, but I don't think it will make any >> > difference because you have no sound at all. >> > There is something else you might try. >> > Open Media Player Home Cinema x64, and click on View, Options. >> > On the left pane click on "Output" in the Playback section. >> > Take note of the device in "DirectShow Audio" on the right pane. >> > It is a dropdown list with options like System Default, DirectSound, >> > etc. >> > Just take note of what it is there right now that ensures that the 5.1 >> > audio, when directed to that device, gives you speaker sound. >> > Now go again to the Audio Decoder Configuration in ffdshow x64 and >> > click >> > on >> > Output in the Mixer Section (left pane). >> > Check the selection (right pane) of "Connect to:" and make it equal to >> > the >> > one in Media Player Home Cinema (same output device). >> > Click Ok and try again with Media Center. >> > >> > You could also try playing your DVD with Windows Media Player 11 x64. >> > Its executable is in the C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player folder. >> > Note that the default WMP11 in Vista x64 is the 32-bit one and we want >> > to >> > run the 64-bit version in order to test x64 audio decoding. >> > So try using WMP11 x64 and check if you have audio. >> > If you have audio then the problem is Media Center specific and we will >> > have >> > narrowed it there. >> > If you don't have audio then we are not decoding properly it, 64-bit >> > wise. >> > >> > Last but not least, what audio are you choosing: AC3 (a.k.a. "Dolby >> > 5.1) >> > or >> > DTS? >> > If it is DTS we have not done any check so far. >> > DTS is the following format (next row) after AC3 in ffdshow x64. >> > >> > Carlos >> > >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> > >> >> OK Carlos, I looked at ffdshow x64 and here is what I found: >> >> 1. The AC3 Decoder was set to liba52 so I left it alone. >> >> 2. The output speaker configuration shown in Mixer was set to 3/0/2 - >> >> 5 >> >> channels so I left that alone too but I am not entirely sure this is >> >> correct. My speaker system is 5.1 surround sound with two front >> >> speakers, >> >> one center speaker, one woofer, and two rear speakers. >> >> >> >> -Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> >> news:419FE9EA-0535-45E8-8DE0-... >> >> > Ken, >> >> > That is good news. >> >> > You have a working x64 Player now because it has its own AC3/DTS >> >> > audio >> >> > decoder (the 5.1 sound of DVD's) and your audio setup is fine. >> >> > Always check here: >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 >> >> > for updates, it is the MPC Home Cinema project page. >> >> > >> >> > Now, getting back to your issue with Media Center... >> >> > I assume you have already installed ffdshow x64. >> >> > Let's see its Audio Configuration. >> >> > Start, Programs, ffdshow, Audio Decoder Configuration. >> >> > Click on "Codecs" o the left pane. >> >> > Choose AC3 on the "Format" column, right pane. >> >> > What do you have in the AC3 row, Decoder column? >> >> > Make sure it is not "Disabled" or "S/PDIF". >> >> > Disabled is... well... disabled, and you surely don't want that. >> >> > S/PDIF means that your sound goes to the optical connection and from >> >> > there >> >> > to an external decoder. >> >> > Choose the "other" option (I am not at my Vista x64 PC now but it >> >> > shoudl >> >> > be >> >> > something like "liba52") >> >> > Maybe you can find something there. >> >> > >> >> > Also click on Mixer (left pane) and take look at the Output speakers >> >> > configuration. >> >> > Does it match your system? >> >> > >> >> > Carlos >> >> > >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Carlos, I searched on "Media Player Classic x64" and found this >> >> >> link: >> >> >> http://www.start64.com/index.php?opt...1376&Itemid=72 >> >> >> >> >> >> That link allowed me to download a 64 bit version of Media Player >> >> >> Classic >> >> >> HomeCinema. I was shocked to find that my DVD's played correctly >> >> >> (with >> >> >> sound) using that player. I then checked once again on Windows >> >> >> Media >> >> >> Player >> >> >> and Windows Media Center and the DVD did not produce sound on >> >> >> either >> >> >> of >> >> >> those. As you said in your last post, I now know that this is a >> >> >> Media >> >> >> Center >> >> >> settings issue so I will pursue that further. Maybe the link that >> >> >> Dominic >> >> >> Payer provided in his message will help me out. At least now I have >> >> >> a >> >> >> way >> >> >> to >> >> >> play DVD's even though I really want to get Windows Media Center >> >> >> working >> >> >> as >> >> >> it should. Thanks for all your help. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> >> >> news:73AEAB89-2876-4545-ABED-... >> >> >> > Ken, >> >> >> > If you try Media Player Classic x64 and you have sound, then you >> >> >> > will >> >> >> > be >> >> >> > sure it is a Media Center settings issue. >> >> >> > If you don't have sound, then you will have to look elsewhere. >> >> >> > Carlos >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I downloaded and installed the x64 codec >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> you >> >> >> >> mentioned but it didn't seem to make any difference. There are >> >> >> >> some >> >> >> >> guys >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> the Media Center forum that think my problem is more related to >> >> >> >> settings, >> >> >> >> but I haven't made any real progress with that either. Thanks >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> help >> >> >> >> though. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:7CEA1DB8-570A-4034-90F0-... >> >> >> >> > Ken, >> >> >> >> > Here you have a freeware multiformat x64 audio/video decoder. >> >> >> >> > This is the direct download link: >> >> >> >> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffd...1&big_mirror=0 >> >> >> >> > This is the web page you can check for updates. >> >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=199416 >> >> >> >> > The decoder is labeled as "64-bit builds (experimental)" but I >> >> >> >> > works >> >> >> >> > flawlessly for me. >> >> >> >> > The other decoders in that page are 32-bit. >> >> >> >> > I also use them and they coexist pacefully in Vista x64. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > as a bonus, you might also want to try the lightweight x64 >> >> >> >> > "Media >> >> >> >> > Player >> >> >> >> > Classic" >> >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Carlos >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I have just built a new computer, and it seems to be running >> >> >> >> >> pretty >> >> >> >> >> well. >> >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >> have Vista Home Premium 64 bit. One thing I noticed is that I >> >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >> picture >> >> >> >> >> but no sound when playing a movie DVD. When I play a music CD >> >> >> >> >> sound >> >> >> >> >> works >> >> >> >> >> normally. Someone advised me that this is because I need a >> >> >> >> >> codec >> >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> >> DVD >> >> >> >> >> sound. I then downloaded and installed a couple of free >> >> >> >> >> codecs, >> >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> did >> >> >> >> >> not improve the situation. I read on Windows Help that my >> >> >> >> >> operating >> >> >> >> >> system >> >> >> >> >> requires a codec that is written in 64 bit, so that could be >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> problem >> >> >> >> >> since the codecs that I downloaded were probably 32 bit. I >> >> >> >> >> imagine >> >> >> >> >> finding a >> >> >> >> >> 64 bit codec will be pretty hard to find. Am I on the right >> >> >> >> >> track >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> solving >> >> >> >> >> this problem? Does anyone know if a 64 bit codec will be >> >> >> >> >> included >> >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >> SP1? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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Ken,
I am now at my Vista x64 machine. Output Speaker Configuration in Mixer menu is 3/0/2 - 5 channels and the "LFE" checkbox is checked. That is the working configuration for my 5.1 speaker system. Carlos "Ken Triebold" wrote: > OK Carlos, I looked at ffdshow x64 and here is what I found: > 1. The AC3 Decoder was set to liba52 so I left it alone. > 2. The output speaker configuration shown in Mixer was set to 3/0/2 - 5 > channels so I left that alone too but I am not entirely sure this is > correct. My speaker system is 5.1 surround sound with two front speakers, > one center speaker, one woofer, and two rear speakers. > > -Ken > > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message > news:419FE9EA-0535-45E8-8DE0-... > > Ken, > > That is good news. > > You have a working x64 Player now because it has its own AC3/DTS audio > > decoder (the 5.1 sound of DVD's) and your audio setup is fine. > > Always check here: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > > for updates, it is the MPC Home Cinema project page. > > > > Now, getting back to your issue with Media Center... > > I assume you have already installed ffdshow x64. > > Let's see its Audio Configuration. > > Start, Programs, ffdshow, Audio Decoder Configuration. > > Click on "Codecs" o the left pane. > > Choose AC3 on the "Format" column, right pane. > > What do you have in the AC3 row, Decoder column? > > Make sure it is not "Disabled" or "S/PDIF". > > Disabled is... well... disabled, and you surely don't want that. > > S/PDIF means that your sound goes to the optical connection and from there > > to an external decoder. > > Choose the "other" option (I am not at my Vista x64 PC now but it shoudl > > be > > something like "liba52") > > Maybe you can find something there. > > > > Also click on Mixer (left pane) and take look at the Output speakers > > configuration. > > Does it match your system? > > > > Carlos > > > > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > > > >> Carlos, I searched on "Media Player Classic x64" and found this link: > >> http://www.start64.com/index.php?opt...1376&Itemid=72 > >> > >> That link allowed me to download a 64 bit version of Media Player Classic > >> HomeCinema. I was shocked to find that my DVD's played correctly (with > >> sound) using that player. I then checked once again on Windows Media > >> Player > >> and Windows Media Center and the DVD did not produce sound on either of > >> those. As you said in your last post, I now know that this is a Media > >> Center > >> settings issue so I will pursue that further. Maybe the link that Dominic > >> Payer provided in his message will help me out. At least now I have a way > >> to > >> play DVD's even though I really want to get Windows Media Center working > >> as > >> it should. Thanks for all your help. > >> > >> -Ken > >> > >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> news:73AEAB89-2876-4545-ABED-... > >> > Ken, > >> > If you try Media Player Classic x64 and you have sound, then you will > >> > be > >> > sure it is a Media Center settings issue. > >> > If you don't have sound, then you will have to look elsewhere. > >> > Carlos > >> > > >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Thanks for the info. I downloaded and installed the x64 codec that you > >> >> mentioned but it didn't seem to make any difference. There are some > >> >> guys > >> >> on > >> >> the Media Center forum that think my problem is more related to > >> >> settings, > >> >> but I haven't made any real progress with that either. Thanks for the > >> >> help > >> >> though. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> news:7CEA1DB8-570A-4034-90F0-... > >> >> > Ken, > >> >> > Here you have a freeware multiformat x64 audio/video decoder. > >> >> > This is the direct download link: > >> >> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffd...1&big_mirror=0 > >> >> > This is the web page you can check for updates. > >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=199416 > >> >> > The decoder is labeled as "64-bit builds (experimental)" but I works > >> >> > flawlessly for me. > >> >> > The other decoders in that page are 32-bit. > >> >> > I also use them and they coexist pacefully in Vista x64. > >> >> > > >> >> > as a bonus, you might also want to try the lightweight x64 "Media > >> >> > Player > >> >> > Classic" > >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> >> > > >> >> > Carlos > >> >> > > >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> I have just built a new computer, and it seems to be running pretty > >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> have Vista Home Premium 64 bit. One thing I noticed is that I have > >> >> >> picture > >> >> >> but no sound when playing a movie DVD. When I play a music CD sound > >> >> >> works > >> >> >> normally. Someone advised me that this is because I need a codec > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> DVD > >> >> >> sound. I then downloaded and installed a couple of free codecs, but > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> did > >> >> >> not improve the situation. I read on Windows Help that my operating > >> >> >> system > >> >> >> requires a codec that is written in 64 bit, so that could be the > >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> since the codecs that I downloaded were probably 32 bit. I imagine > >> >> >> finding a > >> >> >> 64 bit codec will be pretty hard to find. Am I on the right track > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> solving > >> >> >> this problem? Does anyone know if a 64 bit codec will be included > >> >> >> with > >> >> >> SP1? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > |
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Ken,
This is as far as I can get. At least you have found some workarounds to watch and listen your movies. Come back to us if you figure out the rest of the issues. Have a nice week end! Carlos "Ken Triebold" wrote: > Carlos, I downloaded and installed the 32 bit version of ffdshow. I then > tried Windows Media Player 32 bit and Windows Media Center and they both did > not have sound. I tried Windows Media Player 64 bit again and it still does > have sound. > > -Ken > > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message > news:E6CC86F1-21FD-4CD9-8A02-... > > Ken, > > In order to give sound to the default Windows Media Player 11, which is > > 32-bit, you need the 32-bit version of ffdshow. > > http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm > > Download it and install it. > > Please note that during the install you will have to choose a different > > Program group (the one that shows in the Start, Programs, menu) in order > > not > > to overwrite the one created by ffdshow x64. > > Both tend to create a Program group named "ffdshow". > > There is no conflict with their installations in the Program Files > > section. > > ffdshow x86 goes to C:\Program Files (x86) > > and coexists peacefully with its x64 partner. > > Check now if WMP11 32-bit has sound. > > I believe that Media Center is 64-bit, but it doesn't hurt to try again > > after installing ffdshow x86. > > Best of luck! > > Carlos > > > > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > > > >> Carlos, here is what I found: > >> 1. In Media Player Home Cinema, View, Options, Output, the device in > >> DirectShow Audio is "System Default". In ffdshow x64, Audio Decoder > >> Configuration, Mixer, Output, Connect to is shown as "Any Filter". There > >> were two other options: "DirectSound" and "WaveOut". I left it at "Any > >> Filter" since none of the three options matched "System Default". > >> > >> 2. I tried Windows Media Player 11 x64 and it worked fine (got sound). > >> The > >> filename is wmplayer.exe but I am sure it is the 64 bit version because > >> it > >> was located under Program Files (not Program Files x86). Then I tried > >> Media > >> Center and the default Media Player (32 bit) and they both still did not > >> have sound. So Media Player x64 gives sound but Media Center and Media > >> Player 32 do not give sound. > >> > >> 3. Sorry, but I don't know which audio I am choosing nor do I know how to > >> determine that. Maybe it is not relevant now based on what I found out in > >> item 2 above. > >> > >> -Ken > >> > >> > >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> news:6566BAA2-349F-408F-A754-... > >> > It should be 3/2/1 - 6 channels, but I don't think it will make any > >> > difference because you have no sound at all. > >> > There is something else you might try. > >> > Open Media Player Home Cinema x64, and click on View, Options. > >> > On the left pane click on "Output" in the Playback section. > >> > Take note of the device in "DirectShow Audio" on the right pane. > >> > It is a dropdown list with options like System Default, DirectSound, > >> > etc. > >> > Just take note of what it is there right now that ensures that the 5.1 > >> > audio, when directed to that device, gives you speaker sound. > >> > Now go again to the Audio Decoder Configuration in ffdshow x64 and > >> > click > >> > on > >> > Output in the Mixer Section (left pane). > >> > Check the selection (right pane) of "Connect to:" and make it equal to > >> > the > >> > one in Media Player Home Cinema (same output device). > >> > Click Ok and try again with Media Center. > >> > > >> > You could also try playing your DVD with Windows Media Player 11 x64. > >> > Its executable is in the C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player folder. > >> > Note that the default WMP11 in Vista x64 is the 32-bit one and we want > >> > to > >> > run the 64-bit version in order to test x64 audio decoding. > >> > So try using WMP11 x64 and check if you have audio. > >> > If you have audio then the problem is Media Center specific and we will > >> > have > >> > narrowed it there. > >> > If you don't have audio then we are not decoding properly it, 64-bit > >> > wise. > >> > > >> > Last but not least, what audio are you choosing: AC3 (a.k.a. "Dolby > >> > 5.1) > >> > or > >> > DTS? > >> > If it is DTS we have not done any check so far. > >> > DTS is the following format (next row) after AC3 in ffdshow x64. > >> > > >> > Carlos > >> > > >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> > > >> >> OK Carlos, I looked at ffdshow x64 and here is what I found: > >> >> 1. The AC3 Decoder was set to liba52 so I left it alone. > >> >> 2. The output speaker configuration shown in Mixer was set to 3/0/2 - > >> >> 5 > >> >> channels so I left that alone too but I am not entirely sure this is > >> >> correct. My speaker system is 5.1 surround sound with two front > >> >> speakers, > >> >> one center speaker, one woofer, and two rear speakers. > >> >> > >> >> -Ken > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> news:419FE9EA-0535-45E8-8DE0-... > >> >> > Ken, > >> >> > That is good news. > >> >> > You have a working x64 Player now because it has its own AC3/DTS > >> >> > audio > >> >> > decoder (the 5.1 sound of DVD's) and your audio setup is fine. > >> >> > Always check here: > >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> >> > for updates, it is the MPC Home Cinema project page. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now, getting back to your issue with Media Center... > >> >> > I assume you have already installed ffdshow x64. > >> >> > Let's see its Audio Configuration. > >> >> > Start, Programs, ffdshow, Audio Decoder Configuration. > >> >> > Click on "Codecs" o the left pane. > >> >> > Choose AC3 on the "Format" column, right pane. > >> >> > What do you have in the AC3 row, Decoder column? > >> >> > Make sure it is not "Disabled" or "S/PDIF". > >> >> > Disabled is... well... disabled, and you surely don't want that. > >> >> > S/PDIF means that your sound goes to the optical connection and from > >> >> > there > >> >> > to an external decoder. > >> >> > Choose the "other" option (I am not at my Vista x64 PC now but it > >> >> > shoudl > >> >> > be > >> >> > something like "liba52") > >> >> > Maybe you can find something there. > >> >> > > >> >> > Also click on Mixer (left pane) and take look at the Output speakers > >> >> > configuration. > >> >> > Does it match your system? > >> >> > > >> >> > Carlos > >> >> > > >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Carlos, I searched on "Media Player Classic x64" and found this > >> >> >> link: > >> >> >> http://www.start64.com/index.php?opt...1376&Itemid=72 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That link allowed me to download a 64 bit version of Media Player > >> >> >> Classic > >> >> >> HomeCinema. I was shocked to find that my DVD's played correctly > >> >> >> (with > >> >> >> sound) using that player. I then checked once again on Windows > >> >> >> Media > >> >> >> Player > >> >> >> and Windows Media Center and the DVD did not produce sound on > >> >> >> either > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> those. As you said in your last post, I now know that this is a > >> >> >> Media > >> >> >> Center > >> >> >> settings issue so I will pursue that further. Maybe the link that > >> >> >> Dominic > >> >> >> Payer provided in his message will help me out. At least now I have > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> way > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> play DVD's even though I really want to get Windows Media Center > >> >> >> working > >> >> >> as > >> >> >> it should. Thanks for all your help. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -Ken > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:73AEAB89-2876-4545-ABED-... > >> >> >> > Ken, > >> >> >> > If you try Media Player Classic x64 and you have sound, then you > >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > sure it is a Media Center settings issue. > >> >> >> > If you don't have sound, then you will have to look elsewhere. > >> >> >> > Carlos > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I downloaded and installed the x64 codec > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> you > >> >> >> >> mentioned but it didn't seem to make any difference. There are > >> >> >> >> some > >> >> >> >> guys > >> >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> the Media Center forum that think my problem is more related to > >> >> >> >> settings, > >> >> >> >> but I haven't made any real progress with that either. Thanks > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> help > >> >> >> >> though. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:7CEA1DB8-570A-4034-90F0-... > >> >> >> >> > Ken, > >> >> >> >> > Here you have a freeware multiformat x64 audio/video decoder. > >> >> >> >> > This is the direct download link: > >> >> >> >> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffd...1&big_mirror=0 > >> >> >> >> > This is the web page you can check for updates. > >> >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=199416 > >> >> >> >> > The decoder is labeled as "64-bit builds (experimental)" but I > >> >> >> >> > works > >> >> >> >> > flawlessly for me. > >> >> >> >> > The other decoders in that page are 32-bit. > >> >> >> >> > I also use them and they coexist pacefully in Vista x64. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > as a bonus, you might also want to try the lightweight x64 > >> >> >> >> > "Media > >> >> >> >> > Player > >> >> >> >> > Classic" > >> >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Carlos > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> I have just built a new computer, and it seems to be running > >> >> >> >> >> pretty > >> >> >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> >> have Vista Home Premium 64 bit. One thing I noticed is that I > >> >> >> >> >> have > >> >> >> >> >> picture > >> >> >> >> >> but no sound when playing a movie DVD. When I play a music CD > >> >> >> >> >> sound > >> >> >> >> >> works > >> >> >> >> >> normally. Someone advised me that this is because I need a > >> >> >> >> >> codec > >> >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> >> DVD > >> >> >> >> >> sound. I then downloaded and installed a couple of free > >> >> >> >> >> codecs, > >> >> >> >> >> but > >> >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> >> did > >> >> >> >> >> not improve the situation. I read on Windows Help that my > >> >> >> >> >> operating > >> >> >> >> >> system > >> >> >> >> >> requires a codec that is written in 64 bit, so that could be > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> >> >> since the codecs that I downloaded were probably 32 bit. I > >> >> >> >> >> imagine > >> >> >> >> >> finding a > >> >> >> >> >> 64 bit codec will be pretty hard to find. Am I on the right > >> >> >> >> >> track > >> >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> solving > >> >> >> >> >> this problem? Does anyone know if a 64 bit codec will be > >> >> >> >> >> included > >> >> >> >> >> with > >> >> >> >> >> SP1? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > |
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Thanks, Carlos, for all the help. My "LFE" box is checked too. Like you said
at least now I can watch DVD's normally which is something I couldn't do before. Cheers! -Ken "Carlos" <> wrote in message news 704D99F-2576-4D9E-8887-...> Ken, > I am now at my Vista x64 machine. > > Output Speaker Configuration in Mixer menu is 3/0/2 - 5 channels and the > "LFE" checkbox is checked. > That is the working configuration for my 5.1 speaker system. > Carlos > > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> OK Carlos, I looked at ffdshow x64 and here is what I found: >> 1. The AC3 Decoder was set to liba52 so I left it alone. >> 2. The output speaker configuration shown in Mixer was set to 3/0/2 - 5 >> channels so I left that alone too but I am not entirely sure this is >> correct. My speaker system is 5.1 surround sound with two front speakers, >> one center speaker, one woofer, and two rear speakers. >> >> -Ken >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> news:419FE9EA-0535-45E8-8DE0-... >> > Ken, >> > That is good news. >> > You have a working x64 Player now because it has its own AC3/DTS audio >> > decoder (the 5.1 sound of DVD's) and your audio setup is fine. >> > Always check here: >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 >> > for updates, it is the MPC Home Cinema project page. >> > >> > Now, getting back to your issue with Media Center... >> > I assume you have already installed ffdshow x64. >> > Let's see its Audio Configuration. >> > Start, Programs, ffdshow, Audio Decoder Configuration. >> > Click on "Codecs" o the left pane. >> > Choose AC3 on the "Format" column, right pane. >> > What do you have in the AC3 row, Decoder column? >> > Make sure it is not "Disabled" or "S/PDIF". >> > Disabled is... well... disabled, and you surely don't want that. >> > S/PDIF means that your sound goes to the optical connection and from >> > there >> > to an external decoder. >> > Choose the "other" option (I am not at my Vista x64 PC now but it >> > shoudl >> > be >> > something like "liba52") >> > Maybe you can find something there. >> > >> > Also click on Mixer (left pane) and take look at the Output speakers >> > configuration. >> > Does it match your system? >> > >> > Carlos >> > >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> > >> >> Carlos, I searched on "Media Player Classic x64" and found this link: >> >> http://www.start64.com/index.php?opt...1376&Itemid=72 >> >> >> >> That link allowed me to download a 64 bit version of Media Player >> >> Classic >> >> HomeCinema. I was shocked to find that my DVD's played correctly (with >> >> sound) using that player. I then checked once again on Windows Media >> >> Player >> >> and Windows Media Center and the DVD did not produce sound on either >> >> of >> >> those. As you said in your last post, I now know that this is a Media >> >> Center >> >> settings issue so I will pursue that further. Maybe the link that >> >> Dominic >> >> Payer provided in his message will help me out. At least now I have a >> >> way >> >> to >> >> play DVD's even though I really want to get Windows Media Center >> >> working >> >> as >> >> it should. Thanks for all your help. >> >> >> >> -Ken >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> >> news:73AEAB89-2876-4545-ABED-... >> >> > Ken, >> >> > If you try Media Player Classic x64 and you have sound, then you >> >> > will >> >> > be >> >> > sure it is a Media Center settings issue. >> >> > If you don't have sound, then you will have to look elsewhere. >> >> > Carlos >> >> > >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I downloaded and installed the x64 codec that >> >> >> you >> >> >> mentioned but it didn't seem to make any difference. There are some >> >> >> guys >> >> >> on >> >> >> the Media Center forum that think my problem is more related to >> >> >> settings, >> >> >> but I haven't made any real progress with that either. Thanks for >> >> >> the >> >> >> help >> >> >> though. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message >> >> >> news:7CEA1DB8-570A-4034-90F0-... >> >> >> > Ken, >> >> >> > Here you have a freeware multiformat x64 audio/video decoder. >> >> >> > This is the direct download link: >> >> >> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffd...1&big_mirror=0 >> >> >> > This is the web page you can check for updates. >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=199416 >> >> >> > The decoder is labeled as "64-bit builds (experimental)" but I >> >> >> > works >> >> >> > flawlessly for me. >> >> >> > The other decoders in that page are 32-bit. >> >> >> > I also use them and they coexist pacefully in Vista x64. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > as a bonus, you might also want to try the lightweight x64 "Media >> >> >> > Player >> >> >> > Classic" >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Carlos >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I have just built a new computer, and it seems to be running >> >> >> >> pretty >> >> >> >> well. >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> have Vista Home Premium 64 bit. One thing I noticed is that I >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> picture >> >> >> >> but no sound when playing a movie DVD. When I play a music CD >> >> >> >> sound >> >> >> >> works >> >> >> >> normally. Someone advised me that this is because I need a codec >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> DVD >> >> >> >> sound. I then downloaded and installed a couple of free codecs, >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> did >> >> >> >> not improve the situation. I read on Windows Help that my >> >> >> >> operating >> >> >> >> system >> >> >> >> requires a codec that is written in 64 bit, so that could be the >> >> >> >> problem >> >> >> >> since the codecs that I downloaded were probably 32 bit. I >> >> >> >> imagine >> >> >> >> finding a >> >> >> >> 64 bit codec will be pretty hard to find. Am I on the right >> >> >> >> track >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> solving >> >> >> >> this problem? Does anyone know if a 64 bit codec will be >> >> >> >> included >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> SP1? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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Ken,
Glad to hear that. It is 3:00 AM down here. I guess I'll hit the sack. Have a nice weekend. Carlos "Ken Triebold" wrote: > Thanks, Carlos, for all the help. My "LFE" box is checked too. Like you said > at least now I can watch DVD's normally which is something I couldn't do > before. Cheers! > > -Ken > > > "Carlos" <> wrote in message > news 704D99F-2576-4D9E-8887-...> > Ken, > > I am now at my Vista x64 machine. > > > > Output Speaker Configuration in Mixer menu is 3/0/2 - 5 channels and the > > "LFE" checkbox is checked. > > That is the working configuration for my 5.1 speaker system. > > Carlos > > > > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > > > >> OK Carlos, I looked at ffdshow x64 and here is what I found: > >> 1. The AC3 Decoder was set to liba52 so I left it alone. > >> 2. The output speaker configuration shown in Mixer was set to 3/0/2 - 5 > >> channels so I left that alone too but I am not entirely sure this is > >> correct. My speaker system is 5.1 surround sound with two front speakers, > >> one center speaker, one woofer, and two rear speakers. > >> > >> -Ken > >> > >> > >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> news:419FE9EA-0535-45E8-8DE0-... > >> > Ken, > >> > That is good news. > >> > You have a working x64 Player now because it has its own AC3/DTS audio > >> > decoder (the 5.1 sound of DVD's) and your audio setup is fine. > >> > Always check here: > >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> > for updates, it is the MPC Home Cinema project page. > >> > > >> > Now, getting back to your issue with Media Center... > >> > I assume you have already installed ffdshow x64. > >> > Let's see its Audio Configuration. > >> > Start, Programs, ffdshow, Audio Decoder Configuration. > >> > Click on "Codecs" o the left pane. > >> > Choose AC3 on the "Format" column, right pane. > >> > What do you have in the AC3 row, Decoder column? > >> > Make sure it is not "Disabled" or "S/PDIF". > >> > Disabled is... well... disabled, and you surely don't want that. > >> > S/PDIF means that your sound goes to the optical connection and from > >> > there > >> > to an external decoder. > >> > Choose the "other" option (I am not at my Vista x64 PC now but it > >> > shoudl > >> > be > >> > something like "liba52") > >> > Maybe you can find something there. > >> > > >> > Also click on Mixer (left pane) and take look at the Output speakers > >> > configuration. > >> > Does it match your system? > >> > > >> > Carlos > >> > > >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Carlos, I searched on "Media Player Classic x64" and found this link: > >> >> http://www.start64.com/index.php?opt...1376&Itemid=72 > >> >> > >> >> That link allowed me to download a 64 bit version of Media Player > >> >> Classic > >> >> HomeCinema. I was shocked to find that my DVD's played correctly (with > >> >> sound) using that player. I then checked once again on Windows Media > >> >> Player > >> >> and Windows Media Center and the DVD did not produce sound on either > >> >> of > >> >> those. As you said in your last post, I now know that this is a Media > >> >> Center > >> >> settings issue so I will pursue that further. Maybe the link that > >> >> Dominic > >> >> Payer provided in his message will help me out. At least now I have a > >> >> way > >> >> to > >> >> play DVD's even though I really want to get Windows Media Center > >> >> working > >> >> as > >> >> it should. Thanks for all your help. > >> >> > >> >> -Ken > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> news:73AEAB89-2876-4545-ABED-... > >> >> > Ken, > >> >> > If you try Media Player Classic x64 and you have sound, then you > >> >> > will > >> >> > be > >> >> > sure it is a Media Center settings issue. > >> >> > If you don't have sound, then you will have to look elsewhere. > >> >> > Carlos > >> >> > > >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for the info. I downloaded and installed the x64 codec that > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> mentioned but it didn't seem to make any difference. There are some > >> >> >> guys > >> >> >> on > >> >> >> the Media Center forum that think my problem is more related to > >> >> >> settings, > >> >> >> but I haven't made any real progress with that either. Thanks for > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> help > >> >> >> though. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Carlos" <> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:7CEA1DB8-570A-4034-90F0-... > >> >> >> > Ken, > >> >> >> > Here you have a freeware multiformat x64 audio/video decoder. > >> >> >> > This is the direct download link: > >> >> >> > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffd...1&big_mirror=0 > >> >> >> > This is the web page you can check for updates. > >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...kage_id=199416 > >> >> >> > The decoder is labeled as "64-bit builds (experimental)" but I > >> >> >> > works > >> >> >> > flawlessly for me. > >> >> >> > The other decoders in that page are 32-bit. > >> >> >> > I also use them and they coexist pacefully in Vista x64. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > as a bonus, you might also want to try the lightweight x64 "Media > >> >> >> > Player > >> >> >> > Classic" > >> >> >> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=170561 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Carlos > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Ken Triebold" wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> I have just built a new computer, and it seems to be running > >> >> >> >> pretty > >> >> >> >> well. > >> >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> have Vista Home Premium 64 bit. One thing I noticed is that I > >> >> >> >> have > >> >> >> >> picture > >> >> >> >> but no sound when playing a movie DVD. When I play a music CD > >> >> >> >> sound > >> >> >> >> works > >> >> >> >> normally. Someone advised me that this is because I need a codec > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> DVD > >> >> >> >> sound. I then downloaded and installed a couple of free codecs, > >> >> >> >> but > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> did > >> >> >> >> not improve the situation. I read on Windows Help that my > >> >> >> >> operating > >> >> >> >> system > >> >> >> >> requires a codec that is written in 64 bit, so that could be the > >> >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> >> since the codecs that I downloaded were probably 32 bit. I > >> >> >> >> imagine > >> >> >> >> finding a > >> >> >> >> 64 bit codec will be pretty hard to find. Am I on the right > >> >> >> >> track > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> solving > >> >> >> >> this problem? Does anyone know if a 64 bit codec will be > >> >> >> >> included > >> >> >> >> with > >> >> >> >> SP1? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > |
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