No SP1 Today.

Just thought i`d mention it in case you thought it might be here in "Patch
Tuesday".

"peter c.a.hawkins" <> wrote in
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> Just thought i`d mention it in case you thought it might be here in "Patch
> Tuesday".

I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for the
computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering SP1 to
the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think it was
TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it a
little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions. I
certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and was
offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would not
seem fair to me.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

"C.B." <> wrote in message
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>
>
> "peter c.a.hawkins" <> wrote in
> message news:EB700B41-FB2B-4813-9E32-...
>> Just thought i`d mention it in case you thought it might be here in
>> "Patch
>> Tuesday".
>
> I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for the
> computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering SP1
> to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think it
> was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
> I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it
> a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions.
> I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
> was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would
> not seem fair to me.
>
> C.B.
>
>
> --
> It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
> and unfortunate among us.
I do not mind the wait. As long as it is quality (which Linux is not)
Bobby

"C.B." <> wrote in message
news:C21784BF-318B-4D3B-9A2F-...
> I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for the
> computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering SP1
> to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think it
> was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
> I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it
> a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions.
> I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
> was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would
> not seem fair to me.

????? LOL
It would be so that developers have time to check if their programs don't
get broken by SP1, and makes the necessary updates if needed. Not so that
they can feel like they are in some exclusive club!

ss.

Linux already has SP1 built in........SH-T PERFORMANCE.

"Bobby McNulty" wrote:

>
>
> "C.B." <> wrote in message
> news:C21784BF-318B-4D3B-9A2F-...
> >
> >
> > "peter c.a.hawkins" <> wrote in
> > message news:EB700B41-FB2B-4813-9E32-...
> >> Just thought i`d mention it in case you thought it might be here in
> >> "Patch
> >> Tuesday".
> >
> > I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for the
> > computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering SP1
> > to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think it
> > was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
> > I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it
> > a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions.
> > I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
> > was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would
> > not seem fair to me.
> >
> > C.B.
> >
> >
> > --
> > It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
> > and unfortunate among us.
> I do not mind the wait. As long as it is quality (which Linux is not)
> Bobby
>
>

"C.B." <> wrote in message
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>
> I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for the
> computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering SP1
> to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think it
> was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
> I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it
> a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions.
> I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
> was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would
> not seem fair to me.

Here in the UK the latest issue of PC Pro magazine that arrived last week
contained a form for readers to apply for an SP1 DVD. No suggestion as to
how long it might take to be fulfilled.

"Synapse Syndrome" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "C.B." <> wrote in message
> news:C21784BF-318B-4D3B-9A2F-...
>> I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for
>> the computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering
>> SP1 to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think
>> it was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
>> I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it
>> a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions.
>> I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
>> was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would
>> not seem fair to me.
>
> ????? LOL
> It would be so that developers have time to check if their programs don't
> get broken by SP1, and makes the necessary updates if needed. Not so that
> they can feel like they are in some exclusive club!
>
> ss.
>

Exclusivity has nothing to do with it and I never made any references
to such a thing. The people (I don't mean developers) who purchase a
subscription to TechNet, at a cost of hundreds of dollars or thousands of
dollars annually certainly have the right to expect that they are offered
something several weeks or several months ahead of when the general public
is offered the same thing, in addition to the allowable number of
installations. If not, what is the value of and reason for non-developers
paying for such subscriptions? None that I can think of.
The developers have had access to SP1 RTM for some time now, in
addition to the fact that RTM is basically the same as RC Refresh 2. I would
certainly think that TechRepublic's software engineers and writers know more
about the issue than you and me.
The computer vendors are being allowed a little more time to be certain
SP1 RTM does not have any incompatibility issues with all the third party
crapware they install on their systems.
In fairness to you I will make the following caveat: I could be wrong.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

Not to mention, does not support hardware OOTB.
XP fails to support newer systems like mine too.
When I ordered my current computer, I had Vista in mind. Even on the box,
Vista Ready.
Vista works fine on a Dell Dimension E521, which they longer make. Ha Ha.

"peter c.a.hawkins" <> wrote in
message news25CE949-575C-479B-9136-...
> Linux already has SP1 built in........SH-T PERFORMANCE.
>
> "Bobby McNulty" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "C.B." <> wrote in message
>> news:C21784BF-318B-4D3B-9A2F-...
>> >
>> >
>> > "peter c.a.hawkins" <> wrote in
>> > message news:EB700B41-FB2B-4813-9E32-...
>> >> Just thought i`d mention it in case you thought it might be here in
>> >> "Patch
>> >> Tuesday".
>> >
>> > I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for
>> > the
>> > computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering
>> > SP1
>> > to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think it
>> > was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
>> > I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate
>> > it
>> > a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased
>> > subscriptions.
>> > I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
>> > was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That
>> > would
>> > not seem fair to me.
>> >
>> > C.B.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the
>> > underprivileged
>> > and unfortunate among us.
>> I do not mind the wait. As long as it is quality (which Linux is not)
>> Bobby
>>
>>

"C.B." <> wrote in message
news:E50CFAF3-5411-42FF-8408-...
> Exclusivity has nothing to do with it and I never made any references
> to such a thing. The people (I don't mean developers) who purchase a
> subscription to TechNet, at a cost of hundreds of dollars or thousands of
> dollars annually certainly have the right to expect that they are offered
> something several weeks or several months ahead of when the general public
> is offered the same thing, in addition to the allowable number of
> installations. If not, what is the value of and reason for non-developers
> paying for such subscriptions? None that I can think of.

Who are these people you are talking about? If they are not developers,
they are IT professionals of some kind. They are people that are likely to
*need* access to SP1 before it goes public. Not people who just would
*like* to - so that they think they have got their money's worth.

Are you seriously saying that computer enthusiasts subscribe to TechNet?
There might be a few lunatics like KevPan that do this, granted.

> The developers have had access to SP1 RTM for some time now, in
> addition to the fact that RTM is basically the same as RC Refresh 2. I
> would certainly think that TechRepublic's software engineers and writers
> know more about the issue than you and me.

> The computer vendors are being allowed a little more time to be
> certain SP1 RTM does not have any incompatibility issues with all the
> third party crapware they install on their systems.

Yes, exactly. If that is what you mean, I do not disagree.

> In fairness to you I will make the following caveat: I could be
> wrong.

ss.

Per Windows Vista team Blog:

a.. For the initial five first wave languages (English, Spanish, German,
French, and Japanese):
a.. We will release SP1 to Windows Update and the download center on
microsoft.com in mid-March. Customers running Windows Vista with any of
these first languages installed can choose to install SP1 by visiting
Windows Update. If your PC has a language installed other than one of the 5
listed above, SP1 will not be offered. Additionally, any system that
Windows Update determines has a driver Microsoft knows to not update
successfully will not be offered SP1.
b.. In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista SP1 to Windows
Vista customers using Automatic Update. In other words, we will begin
automatic downloads of SP1 for customers who have chosen to have updates
downloaded automatically. Note that, as Mike stated, Windows Update will
automatically download SP1 to any system it determines has a driver known to
not update successfully. (As updates for the problematic drivers become
available, they will be installed automatically by Windows Update so that
the result is that more and more systems will automatically get SP1, but
only when we are confident they will have a good experience.)
c.. MSDN/TechNet Plus subscribers and volume licensing customers have
already been provided access to SP1 in first wave languages, as Mike stated
in his follow-on post.
b.. The remaining languages will be released to manufacturing (RTM) in
April and availability to customers will follow.



--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2/Vista Ultimate SP1
Triple Boot

"Peter Johnson" <> wrote in message
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> "C.B." <> wrote in message
> news:C21784BF-318B-4D3B-9A2F-...
>>
>> I read somewhere that Microsoft is allowing a little more time for
>> the computer vendors to check to see if everything is OK before offering
>> SP1 to the general public but I forget where I read the article. I think
>> it was TechRepublic. I also thought I would receive it today.
>> I think Microsoft is also allowing the TechNet members to evaluate it
>> a little more also so as not to offend those who purchased subscriptions.
>> I certainly would not be happy if I paid for a TechNet subscription and
>> was offered SP1 at almost the same time as the general public. That would
>> not seem fair to me.
>
> Here in the UK the latest issue of PC Pro magazine that arrived last week
> contained a form for readers to apply for an SP1 DVD. No suggestion as to
> how long it might take to be fulfilled.