Not since Windows Me has a Microsoft operating system seen such coldmarket reception

Why are people wondering why companies hate vista? Its crap...
let the ignorant home users buy vista with new pcs... it serves them
well for being ignorant!

Vista: Victim of Enterprise Malaise


Windows Vista probably deserves a break, but it won't be getting one
from enterprises.


Major—what Microsoft would call—milestones aren't driving enterprises to
radically change their Vista adoption plans. Even I'm surprised. I
expected the release of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 or the end of
Windows XP OEM sales to mean something for Vista adoption. Nope.

If Vista were a person, it might have an insecurity complex from all the
rejection—and for good reason. Not since Windows Me has a Microsoft
operating system seen such cool market reception. Based on a recent
eWEEK survey of more than 400 IT decision makers, enterprises aren't
lessening their resistance, even when there is good reason.

Service Pack 1 is typically a milestone for any Windows operating
system, the point where businesses rush their deployments. But nearly
three quarters of IT decision makers said that SP1 would have no affect
on their Vista adoption plans. Based on two separate questions, IT
organizations expect to have anywhere from 4 percent to as much as 9
percent of their PCs running Vista by year's end—25 months after release
to businesses.

Nearly 50 percent of IT managers said that Windows XP's end of
mainstream OEM distribution would have no affect on Vista adoption
plans. Still, 28 percent said that XP's end would accelerate their
adoption plans. That trends nicely with other data. IT managers said
that 27 percent of their PCs purchased in the next year would be with
Windows Vista. Microsoft largely pulled Windows XP from the OEM channel
on June 30.

Said without regard to content:

It's kind of ... "strange" to repost Joe Wilcox's work and not credit it.
I'd feel the same way if it was some awesome Rah Rah story, too. Joe worked
hard to write that article, and it just seems disrespectful not to
acknowledge his efforts.

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zachd [MSFT] wrote:
> Said without regard to content:
>
> It's kind of ... "strange" to repost Joe Wilcox's work and not credit it.
> I'd feel the same way if it was some awesome Rah Rah story, too. Joe worked
> hard to write that article, and it just seems disrespectful not to
> acknowledge his efforts.
>

I usually post links to the article...

the only time I have not posted a link was this time that I forgot.. and
guess what?

A smart allek called Zached notice this single time, and came running
along like a buffoon to complain!

This newsgroup is full of jerks!

so here is your link...

http://keznews.com/4664_Vista:_Victi...rprise_Malaise

You remind me of the village idiots in here,



when I post links Bill Yanaire complains that I am just copy pasting..

when I post articles Frank complains that its too much info

I say F@ck them all!

I'm sorry if that came off as a strong rebuke - I was trying to make sense
of what I thought were your words (the missing Wilcox context added a lot of
ease of reading comprehension) and it definitely seemed like some missing
context was missing, which is why I did a quick search for what I found out
to be the article title.

One sweet solution would be, regardless of the Pro or Con nature of the
article in question, just not to repost stuff people can find elsewhere and
instead concentrate on either directly participating in the newsgroup or
having your own independent discussions. Imagine if everybody just decided
to post their favorite Vista-related articles of the day - that'd further
destroy any potential value in the newsgroup.

If you're really interested in U*IX, there's tons of great projects that
could use some dev or test or PM guidance or time.
If you're really interested in making Windows better, help people like me
delve into actual users issues that could be fixed. Scrolling through flame
wars (or pro/can web article regurgitation) to connect to users means that
it's highly likely that interesting issues are going to be lost in the
shuffle.
If you're really interested in just making fun of people, there's tons of
alt.*.advocacy newsgroups that would be better for you to camp out in.

Respectfully,
-Zach
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"F Oh'Ff vist- A" <> wrote in message
news:487fea5c$...
> zachd [MSFT] wrote:
>> Said without regard to content:
>>
>> It's kind of ... "strange" to repost Joe Wilcox's work and not credit it.
>> I'd feel the same way if it was some awesome Rah Rah story, too. Joe
>> worked hard to write that article, and it just seems disrespectful not to
>> acknowledge his efforts.
>>
>
> I usually post links to the article...
>
> the only time I have not posted a link was this time that I forgot.. and
> guess what?
>
> A smart allek called Zached notice this single time, and came running
> along like a buffoon to complain!
>
> This newsgroup is full of jerks!
>
> so here is your link...
>
> http://keznews.com/4664_Vista:_Victi...rprise_Malaise
>
> You remind me of the village idiots in here,
>
>
>
> when I post links Bill Yanaire complains that I am just copy pasting..
>
> when I post articles Frank complains that its too much info
>
> I say F@ck them all!

I've seen plenty of companies turning to Vista.

Fictional articles like this are fuel for the computer illiterate who
love to bash Vista. One day when they get their own system and don't
have to wait for mommy or daddy to allow them to use their systems, they
will finally get a chance to use a real OS instead of the toys they are
given to use.

Vista works...get over it.


--
joel406

zachd [MSFT] wrote:

>
> One sweet solution would be, regardless of the Pro or Con nature of the
> article in question, just not to repost stuff people can find elsewhere and
> instead concentrate on either directly participating in the newsgroup or
> having your own independent discussions. Imagine if everybody just decided
> to post their favorite Vista-related articles of the day - that'd further
> destroy any potential value in the newsgroup.
>


Request denied!!!! As you may see, I am not using the Microsoft news
server, and I do this on purpose because I dont want to follow their
"guidelines" in a newsgroup. A newsgroup is a NEWS-GROUP, where you
read.. dah... news?

> that'd further
> destroy any potential value in the newsgroup.

Thats funny.. Vista has no value.. how do you expect this newsgroup to
be worth more?

This newsgroup is the worst that microsoft has, trolls post all day and
night, people fight, insults fly around all day and night, because guess
what? Vista is crap and it attracts morons! (see 3 stooges, frank,
yanaire and spanky)

Let me tell you my version of what this newsgroup is all about.

Primary theme of posts:

1) warn everyone that vista is a pile of crap and that they should avoid
it at all cost

2) Post news that support this from all over the world (you wont find
much positive articles about vista anyway.. everyone hates it).

3) Insult vista on a daily basis, as much as you can. Its crap and this
fact must be archived in google groups so that people will find this
information when searching. Again to save more people from vista.

Secondary:

4) If by the way you know a solution for a problem of a poor vista
victim you may want to help if you are in the mood. In general helping
people with vista problems is wasted time.. You should try to explain to
them that they should switch to XP MACOSX or LINUX as fast as possible.
By helping them you are postponing their suffering and inviting future
problems with vista. I prefer to be clear that vista is crap and it
should be avoided.

Let me make this clear.. this is a vista.general NEWSGROUP that is not
moderated. As long as what you post is vista related you can post it.
There is no restriction..

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:34:11 -0500, joel406 <>
wrote:

>
>I've seen plenty of companies turning to Vista.
>
>Fictional articles like this are fuel for the computer illiterate who
>love to bash Vista. One day when they get their own system and don't
>have to wait for mommy or daddy to allow them to use their systems, they
>will finally get a chance to use a real OS instead of the toys they are
>given to use.
>
>Vista works...get over it.

Is 406 your inmate number?

As far as computer illiterates, they FLOCK to Vista and foolishly sing
it's praises because the oafs don't know any better.

Exhibit A Frank
Exhibit B Yanaire
Exhibit C Spanky deMonkey

The letter D is available, you want to claim it?

"F Oh'Ff vist- A" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Request denied!!!! As you may see, I am not using the Microsoft news
> server, and I do this on purpose because I dont want to follow their
> "guidelines" in a newsgroup. A newsgroup is a NEWS-GROUP, where you read..
> dah... news?

Yup, been on UseNet since about 92, so I'm very familiar with the stupidity
of UseNet. alt.* != microsoft.*

I think you and both agree that newsgroups are a pathetic communication
mechanism. I'm not arguing that point. If it was up to me, the servers
would be locked down to eliminate trolling/flaming. It's not up to me,
though, so the average, really confused, user suffers so trolls can have
their fun.

> > that'd further
> > destroy any potential value in the newsgroup.

> Thats funny.. Vista has no value.. how do you expect this newsgroup to be
> worth more?

At the least, evidently Vista gives you a valuable way to spend moments of
your life, so evidently you agree it's not all bad. ;-)

OS advocacy is boring as hell. I grew up vehemently anti-Microsoft and
changed my major in college because I refused to work on Win32. Consider me
versed in your arguments. Consider me also in a frickin' prime position to
make awesome and helpful changes that regularly benefit thousands if not
millions of users. Speed-bumping useful work may be fun for you, but it's
kind of sad to me to think about poor confused users whose time to solution
suffers by months to years because I or others have trouble trolling through
newsgroups or other arenas trying to find the exact problem repro.

Also, I've got plenty of friends in the right places. We get constructive
dialogs going on here, I'm much more incented to proactively drive yet more
goodness. We wallow in flame wars and stupidity, I'm much more liable to
miss good stuff and/or care less about the troller's concerns.

You're not even in the same league as other people, so don't sweat any
perceived insult here. I'm just explaining my position of "Wow Wouldn't It
Be Great If An Actual Senior Developer At Microsoft Could (Would?) Deal With
Average User Concerns/Issues As Opposed To Accidentally Being In
Alt.OS.Vista.Advocacy?"

> This newsgroup is the worst that microsoft has, trolls post all day and
> night, people fight, insults fly around all day and night, because guess
> what? Vista is crap and it attracts morons!

If you actually read what's going, those wars have nothing to do with Vista,
really. It's just their way of avoiding therapy. Don't blame the gathering
area for the people that gather there. ;-)

> Let me tell you my version of what this newsgroup is all about.
> 2) Post news that support this from all over the world (you wont find much
> positive articles about vista anyway.. everyone hates it).

It's almost like sensationalism drives eyeballs, but that couldn't possibly
be true. ;-)

I follow up on asome of the articles dealing with stuff I know about. Most
of the ones involving stuff I'm involved with have tended to be confusions
or half-truths. That's neither here nor there, but -- read with your eyes
open.

^-- this is why knowing actual article sources is useful to me

Then again each and every failure of any kind is clearly a failure, and it's
all unacceptable to me. We're on the same page there, I just actually want
to figure out stuff and solve it. A divide by zero crash in a file splitter
might not be interesting to you, but maybe it benefits some third party
project you care about and accidentally benefits you down the road. The net
net is that most everybody benefits from me and others like me.

> 3) Insult vista on a daily basis, as much as you can. Its crap and this
> fact must be archived in google groups so that people will find this
> information when searching. Again to save more people from vista.

Alternatively: if there are actual problems, people like me can investigate
them, root-cause them, and either fix them or get them fixed by the
responsible company.

Without investigation, claims of "it's crap" get discredited as bogus or
rumor or unfounded over time. Isn't it more fun to have exciting actual
bugs/problems to point out? I help you by tracking stuff down. ;-)

> 4) If by the way you know a solution for a problem of a poor ...

^-- This is just global logic. Almost everybody dealing with any problem
they can't solve gets frustrated and angry quickly. If you're versed with
online tech support, you should know that. So there's really not any value
to be gained from making generic assessments of places where sad confused
people go.

But hey, I'd rather light a candle than curse the darkness.

Off to do more good things now. Peace.

Respectfully,
-Zach
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

I Agree With You 100%, Windows Vista Is Actually Windows ME The 2nd, Just FYI.

"F Oh'Ff vist- A" wrote:

>
> Why are people wondering why companies hate vista? Its crap...
> let the ignorant home users buy vista with new pcs... it serves them
> well for being ignorant!
>
> Vista: Victim of Enterprise Malaise
>
>
> Windows Vista probably deserves a break, but it won't be getting one
> from enterprises.
>
>
> Major—what Microsoft would call—milestones aren't driving enterprises to
> radically change their Vista adoption plans. Even I'm surprised. I
> expected the release of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 or the end of
> Windows XP OEM sales to mean something for Vista adoption. Nope.
>
> If Vista were a person, it might have an insecurity complex from all the
> rejection—and for good reason. Not since Windows Me has a Microsoft
> operating system seen such cool market reception. Based on a recent
> eWEEK survey of more than 400 IT decision makers, enterprises aren't
> lessening their resistance, even when there is good reason.
>
> Service Pack 1 is typically a milestone for any Windows operating
> system, the point where businesses rush their deployments. But nearly
> three quarters of IT decision makers said that SP1 would have no affect
> on their Vista adoption plans. Based on two separate questions, IT
> organizations expect to have anywhere from 4 percent to as much as 9
> percent of their PCs running Vista by year's end—25 months after release
> to businesses.
>
> Nearly 50 percent of IT managers said that Windows XP's end of
> mainstream OEM distribution would have no affect on Vista adoption
> plans. Still, 28 percent said that XP's end would accelerate their
> adoption plans. That trends nicely with other data. IT managers said
> that 27 percent of their PCs purchased in the next year would be with
> Windows Vista. Microsoft largely pulled Windows XP from the OEM channel
> on June 30.
>

Our #1 loser wrote:

<---insane diatribe rage rant deleted as a public service----->

Ahhh...what's wrong capin' crunch? Got your panties all in a bunch cause
Vista is a huge success and your Vista hate campaign is complete and
utter failure...just like you are?
Is that's what's stuck in your craw, little loser?
Well, just remember, Vista is and you're not!...LOL!