Nvidia GForce 6800 and slow aero

I have read many descriptions of slow aero with nvidia drivers, but all are
from RC1 or even ealy betas, and with beta drivers.

I am using the 97.46 driver which is not a beta. It works just fine except
for the slow aero. When I grab the scroll bar and move the mouse up and
down, then the scrollbar lags behind the mouse as if it is connected by a
weak spring. When I edit test by moving about and copying and pasting, it is
allso a little slow.
It is not a big enough problem to prevent me from getting work done, but it
is still a bit anoying to upgrade and get this for my trouble.

I switched back to old style windows theme and it was fast, then changed
back to vista theme and it was slow. Now it is slow in either theme..
somewhat confusing.

I assume I could just not install the nvidia driver and use the one with
vista, but I can aparently not get dual view up and running then, and that
is something that I can no longer be without.

Jakob--

1) Nvidia makes the chip, but someone else makes your card. Call their tech
support because often there is a choice of drivers and the newest is not
necessarily the best. They can tell you which drivers have problems. I
don't know what is causing the "slowness" or that it is even the driver or
connected to the video card. I assume you posted because after you added
the card, things slowed down, but it might not be the card itself--but it
can't hurt to try and find out if certain drivers are having problems. You
can also go to the Nvidia and other forums for this driver and see.

This is compelling that it may have to do with that card/and Aero Glass.

"I switched back to old style windows theme and it was fast, then changed
back to vista theme and it was slow. Now it is slow in either theme..
somewhat confusing."

2) I also had a thought but someone else or you may shoot this one down. I
wonder if your power supply could be impacting this, but my impusle is that
maybe you just need to change drivers if there is a choice and find out
which drivers work best with that card. Often on some computers,
particularly when they are older (and I'm by no means implying that you
can't run Vista well by upgrading some of the older computers the power
supply is inadequate to run the card well. I don't know if it's an all or
nothing situation, meaning sometimes you add a GSU to a pc, and the PSU just
won't run it. I wonder if their can be situations where the PSU runs the
card, but not fast.

You didn't state any of the particulars of your box, so I don't know if this
would figure in.
Despite the prevailing media ethos that is pushed by hardware manufacturers,
and MSFT and it's erratic and often just plain wrong "Upgrade Advisor" that
they are continuing to push as they roll out Vista as a pablum or panacea
for those who "just want their computers to work well" but don't care what
is making them work.

3) "I assume I could just not install the Nvidia driver and use the one with
Vista, but I can aparently not get dual view up and running then, and that
is something that I can no longer be without."

Remember that "the one with Vista" came from somewhere. That somewhere
wasn't Microsoft. The 19, 500 drivers that the Vista RTM DVD ships with and
the ones that MSFT will add via MSFT Update *all came from the driver
manufacturers to MSFT. And some of them are going to have less
functionality than the newer more capable drivers that are released (SLOWLY)
by the driver manufacturers or manufacturers of hardware devices.

Be sure to check with your driver card support (for *example a company like
BFG or whom ever makes your card not the chipset which is made by Nvidia) or
the Nvidia forums to see which driver(s) are working optimally with your
GeForce 6800 card. Also as you know some of the companies tweak the chipset
when they put it in the card--many of them feel that Nvidia is too
conservative and they overclock according to their tests, benchmarks, and
the specs they arrive at. I know BFG does that and several others do.

Whomever makes your card has data on what driver is working best with it
now.

Also of course make sure that you do everything to tweek speed of the PC,
reducing CPU demand and turning off services, Here are some suggestions
along that line:
_________________________________
Speed PC and Control CPU Tips/Steps
SPEED AND CPU:
_______________
1) Trim processes you don't need in TM. Google them or "search engine of
your choice them" if you have to.

2) Go to

services.msc in run box and turn off services not needed and there are some.

Vista Services Guide Part 1
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Vista Services Guide Part 2
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

3) Run System File Checker.

SFC: http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html

In Vista run it from an elevated command prompt. Right click command on
start and run as administrator.

4) Run 3 or so spyware scans Windows Defender, , Adaware, and Spybot

5) Probably the most important for speed consistently and efficient resource
use DEFRAG with www.raxco.com or www.diskeeeper.com with 15% free space on
drive if DK and or >5% if Raxco's Perfect Disk.
http://groups.msn.com/windowsxpcentral/spyware.msnw Download Adaware and

Spybot from here.
GOOD Overall Review for Defending Your PC:
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
MSFT Defense Site MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.mspx
Protect Your PC from MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.mspx
MSFT Windows Defender
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...e/default.mspx
MSFT MSRT: (Malicious Software Removal Tool)
http://www.microsoft.com/security/ma...e/default.mspx
MSFT "Windows One Care" in Wings (AV and Spyware Scans)
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...OneCarePR.mspx


6) Unck items from msconfig start tab you don't need starting and some
won't start--peoiple who think just uncking for many are naive because there
are 12 places things can be started including several reg keys like Run Once
keys and there are serveral.

7) Turn off Messaging service--it's a security vulnerability and it slows
you

8) Defrag very often every other day actually.

9) Turn off indexing.

10) Clear TIF and %temp% files (delete) and go to safe mode to get as many
as u can.

10) Do troubleshooting with msconfig.

11) Do Clean boot with msconfig utility and search for the directions here:

SERVICE CONFIGURATION REFERENCES*

*Vista Services*

Part One
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Part Two
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Windows Vista Services Tweak Guide v1.0
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87443

Vista RTM Tweak Guide (Tweaks to Improve Performances)
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...tm+tweak+guide

1) Task Manager lists the services on the services tab in Vista.

2) Type services.msc in run box and using the list of services, click the
service and you'll get a description of services.

3) There is a list here of the default services and a description>>click
"default settings for services" in the left pane.
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window....mspx?mfr=true

4) To view service dependencies
1.
Open Services.

2.
In the details pane, right-click the service that you want to view
dependencies for, and then click Properties.

3.
Click the Dependencies tab.

4.
To view services that are associated dependencies of the selected service,
in the list on the Dependencies tab, click the plus sign next to the
service.

Many of the services but not all in Vista are the same as in XP, so in that
context:

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/services.htm

Also see the extremely helpful site:
Black Viper's Service List

http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP%20Services.htm


Black Viper's Site (Many of the same services in Vista)
http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP%20Services.htm

http://www.z123.org/techsupport/xpservices.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/xpserv1.htm
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php
This will be helpful
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...servicecfg.htm
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________________
How to troubleshoot by using the System Configuration utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560/
Resources for troubleshooting startup problems in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308041/
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;316434
How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353/
How to Disable a Service or Device that Prevents Windows from Starting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310602/

Also ck out these references:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,5155,00.asp
http://www.speedupyourcomputer.windo....com/index.htm and
http://www.extremetech.com/search_re...app=&site=4P.S.

Defragging with a decent defrag every day will make a huge dent inefficient
resource/CPU use.Good luck,CH
Perfect Disk has a 5 month full functionality trial on now for Windows
Vista.

Good luck,

CH





"Jakob Nielsen" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>I have read many descriptions of slow aero with nvidia drivers, but all are
>from RC1 or even ealy betas, and with beta drivers.
>
> I am using the 97.46 driver which is not a beta. It works just fine except
> for the slow aero. When I grab the scroll bar and move the mouse up and
> down, then the scrollbar lags behind the mouse as if it is connected by a
> weak spring. When I edit test by moving about and copying and pasting, it
> is allso a little slow.
> It is not a big enough problem to prevent me from getting work done, but
> it is still a bit anoying to upgrade and get this for my trouble.
>
> I switched back to old style windows theme and it was fast, then changed
> back to vista theme and it was slow. Now it is slow in either theme..
> somewhat confusing.
>
> I assume I could just not install the nvidia driver and use the one with
> vista, but I can aparently not get dual view up and running then, and that
> is something that I can no longer be without.
>
>
>

Jakob, I'm running a 6800GS and the 97.46 drivers without any of problems
you describe. Unless you find another solution to your problem I would
suggest going back to the Vista drivers. You can get dual view to work with
them, just right click the desktop, Personalize, Display Settings, you
should see two monitors there and you can set everything from there..
Hope this helps

--
Ray Rogers


"Jakob Nielsen" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>I have read many descriptions of slow aero with nvidia drivers, but all are
>from RC1 or even ealy betas, and with beta drivers.
>
> I am using the 97.46 driver which is not a beta. It works just fine except
> for the slow aero. When I grab the scroll bar and move the mouse up and
> down, then the scrollbar lags behind the mouse as if it is connected by a
> weak spring. When I edit test by moving about and copying and pasting, it
> is allso a little slow.
> It is not a big enough problem to prevent me from getting work done, but
> it is still a bit anoying to upgrade and get this for my trouble.
>
> I switched back to old style windows theme and it was fast, then changed
> back to vista theme and it was slow. Now it is slow in either theme..
> somewhat confusing.
>
> I assume I could just not install the nvidia driver and use the one with
> vista, but I can aparently not get dual view up and running then, and that
> is something that I can no longer be without.
>

> I assume you posted because after you added the card, things slowed down,
> but it might not be the card itself--but it can't hurt to try and find out
> if certain drivers are having problems.

I have used the card form some time now, under xp, and always with the
newest drivers from nvidia, but in vista it works slowly. I blame the driver
because of the identical problems other have had on earlier versions of
vista and gfx driver.

> You can also go to the Nvidia and other forums for this driver and see.

Good idea. Will do.

> 2) I also had a thought but someone else or you may shoot this one down.
> I wonder if your power supply could be impacting this

I doubt it. The card has not shown any weakness before vista, and I sure
have tried more demanding applications than aero.

As to my systems ability to run aero, vista itself gives it a score of 5.9
for aero and 4.6 general lowest value.

The system is AMD fx dual core 64bit (running 32 bit now), 2GB ddr ram in
dual mode, GF600MX galaxy.

> Remember that "the one with Vista" came from somewhere. That somewhere
> wasn't Microsoft. The 19, 500 drivers that the Vista RTM DVD ships with
> and the ones that MSFT will add via MSFT Update *all came from the driver
> manufacturers to MSFT. And some of them are going to have less
> functionality than the newer more capable drivers that are released
> (SLOWLY) by the driver manufacturers or manufacturers of hardware devices.

True enough. Currently I dont need anything fancy. Just for the system to
work without lag. I am not using any of the newest games, so right now I
will be happy if Aero (and my own 3D applications) work well. A funny thing
is actually that my own apps which put a huge load on the graphics card
through an excessive (mis)use of shaders, runs a bit faster on vista than
they did on xp.


> Whomever makes your card has data on what driver is working best with it
> now.

I will look at it. Previously I have however always downloade my drivers
from nvidia, as do most people. I will check galaxys site.

>
> Also of course make sure that you do everything to tweek speed of the PC,
> reducing CPU demand and turning off services, Here are some suggestions
> along that line:

Will do. That was an extreme listing. I hope you are getting payed to do
this :-) I will look through them. Some might prove quite interesting, since
I am new on vista, and many things are different from xp. I doubt that it
has anything to do with optimizing the general system though. My own apps
run faster than on xp, and vista gives the system a high score. Still the
gui is laggy.

Thanks for the detailed answer!

> Jakob, I'm running a 6800GS and the 97.46 drivers without any of problems
> you describe.

Mine is a 6800GT, but I would assume it is close enough.
I tried returning to the driver that came with vista. The only change is
that everything is worse, when talking about the score, which is now 4.5 for
aero and 3.1 for gaming. That is the only place that I see a difference
right now.

Let us first see if we consider the same thing a problem. If I create a txt
document with a few goundred lines and open it in notepad, then I see the
lag when I grab the trackbar at the right and quickly move the mouse up or
down. The scroll is as such fast, but I can easily move the mouse pointer
some houndred pixels above and below the trackbar, when I move fast. On xp
the trackbar and the mouse were locked together.

That is the most aparent effect. The same "slowness" can be experienced when
writing, and here it is quite anoying.
Someone else had the problem and made a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvAYbLVtGc4

Noone seems to have a solution though.

Ok now I see what you mean, I'm not a gamer so I don't see any/much
difference in performance.

That being said, I did run Video Card Stability Test from
http://freestone-group.com/ I had used this when overclocking on XP, and
it's a very good test of graphics performance. In XP I was getting a
benchmark of 1200 or something, in Vista it has dropped down to 433, that's
a big change.
However, CPU usage is noticeably less, I can run other applications without
any loss of usability, no more jerkiness when moving windows around.

I can only attribute this to the fact that Vista has handed over most of the
graphics display to the video card, "here this is what you have to do, get
on with it, I'll be back later". For gamers, this sucks I imagine. Time for
a top o'the line card no doubt.

Ray Rogers





"Jakob Nielsen" <> wrote in message
news:uaWS%...
>> Jakob, I'm running a 6800GS and the 97.46 drivers without any of problems
>> you describe.
>
> Mine is a 6800GT, but I would assume it is close enough.
> I tried returning to the driver that came with vista. The only change is
> that everything is worse, when talking about the score, which is now 4.5
> for aero and 3.1 for gaming. That is the only place that I see a
> difference right now.
>
> Let us first see if we consider the same thing a problem. If I create a
> txt document with a few goundred lines and open it in notepad, then I see
> the lag when I grab the trackbar at the right and quickly move the mouse
> up or down. The scroll is as such fast, but I can easily move the mouse
> pointer some houndred pixels above and below the trackbar, when I move
> fast. On xp the trackbar and the mouse were locked together.
>
> That is the most aparent effect. The same "slowness" can be experienced
> when writing, and here it is quite anoying.
> Someone else had the problem and made a video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvAYbLVtGc4
>
> Noone seems to have a solution though.
>

No Problems Here with both Windows Vista RTM, and Windows Long Horn Server
Build 6001, Just FYI.

Kevin John Panzke (MSDN OS Level Subscriber)

P.S. Go Chicago Bears, Just FYI. Win It All or Die Trying, Just FYI.

"Jakob Nielsen" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>I have read many descriptions of slow aero with nvidia drivers, but all are
>from RC1 or even ealy betas, and with beta drivers.
>
> I am using the 97.46 driver which is not a beta. It works just fine except
> for the slow aero. When I grab the scroll bar and move the mouse up and
> down, then the scrollbar lags behind the mouse as if it is connected by a
> weak spring. When I edit test by moving about and copying and pasting, it
> is allso a little slow.
> It is not a big enough problem to prevent me from getting work done, but
> it is still a bit anoying to upgrade and get this for my trouble.
>
> I switched back to old style windows theme and it was fast, then changed
> back to vista theme and it was slow. Now it is slow in either theme..
> somewhat confusing.
>
> I assume I could just not install the nvidia driver and use the one with
> vista, but I can aparently not get dual view up and running then, and that
> is something that I can no longer be without.
>
>
>

Jakob,

If you're running a true Nvidia 6800 card (as I am), the current ForceWare
drivers work for all GeForce cards (may also work for third-party vendors as
well). Go to Nvidia's website, select Download Driver...Graphics
Driver...GeForce & TNT2...Windows Vista (32 or 64 bit). The current release
is 100.65 and works great for me (Aero is just fine). Good luck!

"Kevin John Panzke" wrote:

> No Problems Here with both Windows Vista RTM, and Windows Long Horn Server
> Build 6001, Just FYI.
>
> Kevin John Panzke (MSDN OS Level Subscriber)
>
> P.S. Go Chicago Bears, Just FYI. Win It All or Die Trying, Just FYI.
>
> "Jakob Nielsen" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> >I have read many descriptions of slow aero with nvidia drivers, but all are
> >from RC1 or even ealy betas, and with beta drivers.
> >
> > I am using the 97.46 driver which is not a beta. It works just fine except
> > for the slow aero. When I grab the scroll bar and move the mouse up and
> > down, then the scrollbar lags behind the mouse as if it is connected by a
> > weak spring. When I edit test by moving about and copying and pasting, it
> > is allso a little slow.
> > It is not a big enough problem to prevent me from getting work done, but
> > it is still a bit anoying to upgrade and get this for my trouble.
> >
> > I switched back to old style windows theme and it was fast, then changed
> > back to vista theme and it was slow. Now it is slow in either theme..
> > somewhat confusing.
> >
> > I assume I could just not install the nvidia driver and use the one with
> > vista, but I can aparently not get dual view up and running then, and that
> > is something that I can no longer be without.
> >
> >
> >
>