Odds and Inns

I would just like to say that Vista has ups and downs, just like Windows 98
did so they made Windows 98 SE.
I think Microsoft is producing OS to fast. By the time XP was released yes
it had issues yes MS fixed them and then BAM a new OS Vista is now
available. I think Aero is ok but not great so we should have kept XP Pro
killed XP Home and offered a SP3 with a system analyzer to see if Aero and
other "Vista type" Improvements would work on your system. Just think in 3
years give or take a few Windows 7 or what ever they are calling it by that
time will be out and the problems from Vista will just be on the way to
getting fixed. I hope MS extends the Licensing for XP Pro past 2009.

I tend to see things in a different light than most I think but here is my
interpretation of what the Windows Versions should have lived up to again
this is just my common sense approach and I did not go to MIT or anything,
but do hold my Associates in Computer Science.

Windows XP Home Edition SP2 - Key word here is Home - XP Home Edition did
its job well to start with because it was easier for home users to find
stuff over ME and 2000. However a major flaw with RDP and other networking
abilities.

Windows XP Professional SP2 - Key word Professional - XP Pro was just like
XP Home with larger networking abilities and dynamic disk support and
encryption of the NTFS filling system. I think these features should have
been available for home users including RDP with the exception of Dynamic
Disk Support because many "home" users would not know what that is anyway.

Now I will move on to the many versions and editions of Vista.

Vista Home Basic - This version is over priced simply because it is basic
your better off with XP Home. I would have liked to see this version of
Windows retail for $50.00 for OEM and $65.00 for Retail

Vista Home Premium - When I think of MS and the word Premium I am thinking
top of the line. I was greatly disappointed in features and expandability
with VHP (Vista Home Premium) I wanted RDP to actually work, full IIS
integration w/ support for Web Servers and Virtual Directories, Network
Management Console would have helped as well so I could see and manage all
my systems in my home along with printers etc. Less overhead for
networking, Less of a dumb system. Clarification: Network Management Console
as see by Home Users: I want to be able to see my son's computer and
printers etc and setup features and fix problems through RDP. Basically
using the Master/Slave type configuration where my system is the Primary on
the network and his is more like a client or subordinate system which I
could setup policy via a nice Icon with real world explanations along with
explanation videos to help the parent set things up the right way the first
time not an automated system that MS controls. VHP is not Premium when
Windows 2000 Pro offers more for less. This version should have retailed for
$120.00 for OEM and $135.00 Retail

Vista Business - This is a more complete OS for home users. It offers XP
Home, XP Pro, and VHP in one. For the average business person this OS falls
short. It is like using MS Money when you should have used QuickBooks Pro.
BTW for a Business OS While it covered Networking pretty good no real
business tools are found, I would have expected to have had a version of
Money being it is MS Proprietary, Office 2007 Enterprise Edition, detailed
view (video) of Forefront also a $100.00 off Ticket for Expression Web and
related items. Accounting Software. All of this was missing from a so called
Business version look at all the missed opportunities to educate new
business owners and workers on what is new. With large corporations that
have license agreements or any one person that activates over 300 copies of
Vista Business they would receive a Basic version of Windows Server 2008
Free, this would promote more sales and cut down on piracy since large
companies get away with it more than your home user. This version should
retail for $200.00 OEM and $225.00 Retail now with all the additions
including a full functional Office it would Retail for $500.00 OEM and
$650.00 for Retail because 1 it is intended for businesses and 2 it has a
full version of Office included.

Vista Ultimate - Not needed if the other versions would have lived up to
expectations maybe rename this version to Windows Gamer Edition with less
business stuff and better support for games and better Game Server
networking Abilities. Toss in a $100.00 off ticket to the Nvidia 900 Series
and 800 Series Video Cards regardless of where you buy it. This version
would only be available in a hybrid OEM/Retail version where Nvidia and MS
come together to design an OS just for Gamers.

Some other things to add value to Windows and catch-up with Linux and Apple.

Office should be integrated

Better Media Center with more codec's already installed

Version tools ie Home =home tools Business = business tools

Educated Versions - each version when being installed should ask point blank
about familiarity with Windows and Education of the user in IT fields this
would prevent annoying the hell out of IT people but allow the OS to be
understandable to computer idiots like a dynamic system.

A Windows Default Button and Windows System Default Button:

Windows Default Button: This button would take only Windows files and
settings back to the first time you booted up Windows but not uninstall any
of your programs or Documents etc. Windows Updates and settings and Files
would be compared to the CD or DVD and reverted back.

Windows System Default Button: This button would do the same thing as above,
but also erase any non Windows Files such as your programs, MY Documents,
etc all gone. A complete restoration of the OS and Deletion of any file not
on the CD or DVD.

Windows Mail - Delete it
Windows Messenger - Delete it

Windows Live Mail - Integrated
Windows Live Messenger - Integrated
Windows Live One Care - Integrated and first year included w/ first
activation
Windows SkyDrive Integrated and 100GB of storage included w/ Vista Home
Premium and Vista Business and fix the timeout issues with uploading large
files also SkyDrive will test your internet connection and you must have
4mbps min.

I am sure some of you guys/girls will agree with my assessments and some
will not helpful criticisms is welcomed that is how we learn and grow
stupidity is unwelcomed.
I am sure I will have more soon.

Much of what you say does make a lot of sense, but will also never
happen.

Integrated Office? Integrated MS Money?

I don't mean to be rude, but for the love of [insert deity name here],
do you want Microsoft to commit economical suicide?

Do you recall the fuss that Google kicked up when Microsoft integrated
the "Windows Desktop Search" utility as a part of Vista?

Or even further back, in the days of Windows 95/98, when Microsoft
acted "anti-competitively" against Netscape by including Internet
Explorer as part of the OS?

You are querying the need for so many different versions of Vista, and
their so-called "shortcomings" (such as the "lack" of business tools in
Vista Business). You don't live in Europe, do you? It's even worse
there. Have you never heard of any of the Vista N versions? For some
stupid reason, the EU decided that Microsoft is not allowed to bundle
Windows Media Player with ANY version of Windows.

Media Player!

What's the EU's case anyway? A vast majority of the media players out
there are all free anyway!

And you want Microsoft to include application suites such as Office? No
offence, but I'd like to know what you've been smoking, and can I also
get some?


William Bunch;664994 Wrote:
> I would just like to say that Vista has ups and downs, just like Windows
> 98 did so they made Windows 98 SE. I think Microsoft is producing OS to
> fast. By the time XP was released yes it had issues yes MS fixed them
> and then BAM a new OS Vista is now available. I think Aero is ok but not
> great so we should have kept XP Pro killed XP Home and offered a SP3
> with a system analyzer to see if Aero and other "Vista type"
> Improvements would work on your system. Just think in 3 years give or
> take a few Windows 7 or what ever they are calling it by that time will
> be out and the problems from Vista will just be on the way to getting
> fixed. I hope MS extends the Licensing for XP Pro past 2009.
>
> I tend to see things in a different light than most I think but here is
> my interpretation of what the Windows Versions should have lived up to
> again this is just my common sense approach and I did not go to MIT or
> anything, but do hold my Associates in Computer Science.
>
> Windows XP Home Edition SP2 - Key word here is Home - XP Home Edition
> did its job well to start with because it was easier for home users to
> find stuff over ME and 2000. However a major flaw with RDP and other
> networking abilities.
>
> Windows XP Professional SP2 - Key word Professional - XP Pro was just
> like XP Home with larger networking abilities and dynamic disk support
> and encryption of the NTFS filling system. I think these features should
> have been available for home users including RDP with the exception of
> Dynamic Disk Support because many "home" users would not know what that
> is anyway.
>
> Now I will move on to the many versions and editions of Vista.
>
> Vista Home Basic - This version is over priced simply because it is
> basic your better off with XP Home. I would have liked to see this
> version of Windows retail for $50.00 for OEM and $65.00 for Retail
>
> Vista Home Premium - When I think of MS and the word Premium I am
> thinking top of the line. I was greatly disappointed in features and
> expandability with VHP (Vista Home Premium) I wanted RDP to actually
> work, full IIS integration w/ support for Web Servers and Virtual
> Directories, Network Management Console would have helped as well so I
> could see and manage all my systems in my home along with printers etc.
> Less overhead for networking, Less of a dumb system. Clarification:
> Network Management Console as see by Home Users: I want to be able to
> see my son's computer and printers etc and setup features and fix
> problems through RDP. Basically using the Master/Slave type
> configuration where my system is the Primary on the network and his is
> more like a client or subordinate system which I could setup policy via
> a nice Icon with real world explanations along with explanation videos
> to help the parent set things up the right way the first time not an
> automated system that MS controls. VHP is not Premium when Windows 2000
> Pro offers more for less. This version should have retailed for $120.00
> for OEM and $135.00 Retail
>
> Vista Business - This is a more complete OS for home users. It offers
> XP Home, XP Pro, and VHP in one. For the average business person this OS
> falls short. It is like using MS Money when you should have used
> QuickBooks Pro. BTW for a Business OS While it covered Networking pretty
> good no real business tools are found, I would have expected to have had
> a version of Money being it is MS Proprietary, Office 2007 Enterprise
> Edition, detailed view (video) of Forefront also a $100.00 off Ticket
> for Expression Web and related items. Accounting Software. All of this
> was missing from a so called Business version look at all the missed
> opportunities to educate new business owners and workers on what is new.
> With large corporations that have license agreements or any one person
> that activates over 300 copies of Vista Business they would receive a
> Basic version of Windows Server 2008 Free, this would promote more sales
> and cut down on piracy since large companies get away with it more than
> your home user. This version should retail for $200.00 OEM and $225.00
> Retail now with all the additions including a full functional Office it
> would Retail for $500.00 OEM and $650.00 for Retail because 1 it is
> intended for businesses and 2 it has a full version of Office included.
>
> Vista Ultimate - Not needed if the other versions would have lived up
> to expectations maybe rename this version to Windows Gamer Edition with
> less business stuff and better support for games and better Game Server
> networking Abilities. Toss in a $100.00 off ticket to the Nvidia 900
> Series and 800 Series Video Cards regardless of where you buy it. This
> version would only be available in a hybrid OEM/Retail version where
> Nvidia and MS come together to design an OS just for Gamers.
>
> Some other things to add value to Windows and catch-up with Linux and
> Apple.
>
> Office should be integrated
>
> Better Media Center with more codec's already installed
>
> Version tools ie Home =home tools Business = business tools
>
> Educated Versions - each version when being installed should ask point
> blank about familiarity with Windows and Education of the user in IT
> fields this would prevent annoying the hell out of IT people but allow
> the OS to be understandable to computer idiots like a dynamic system.
>
> A Windows Default Button and Windows System Default Button:
>
> Windows Default Button: This button would take only Windows files and
> settings back to the first time you booted up Windows but not uninstall
> any of your programs or Documents etc. Windows Updates and settings and
> Files would be compared to the CD or DVD and reverted back.
>
> Windows System Default Button: This button would do the same thing as
> above, but also erase any non Windows Files such as your programs, MY
> Documents, etc all gone. A complete restoration of the OS and Deletion
> of any file not on the CD or DVD.
>
> Windows Mail - Delete it
> Windows Messenger - Delete it
>
> Windows Live Mail - Integrated
> Windows Live Messenger - Integrated
> Windows Live One Care - Integrated and first year included w/ first
> activation Windows SkyDrive Integrated and 100GB of storage included w/
> Vista Home Premium and Vista Business and fix the timeout issues with
> uploading large files also SkyDrive will test your internet connection
> and you must have 4mbps min.
>
> I am sure some of you guys/girls will agree with my assessments and
> some will not helpful criticisms is welcomed that is how we learn and
> grow stupidity is unwelcomed.
> I am sure I will have more soon.


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I see your point, what the (blank) is EU problem!!!!

Linux has office type tools and so does MAC hmm maybe if Microsoft took out
note pad and wordpad and inserted Word 2007 instead hehe call it an updated
version of wordpad.

And for IE7 and the whole Netscape thing...Netscape sucked and where would
we be if we all used Netscape today ....lost in IE7 IE will not stop and is
a basic part of Windows just like Media Player, I will say Computer Browser
service should run as a Local Service not Local System service.

"Dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news...
>
> Much of what you say does make a lot of sense, but will also never
> happen.
>
> Integrated Office? Integrated MS Money?
>
> I don't mean to be rude, but for the love of [insert deity name here],
> do you want Microsoft to commit economical suicide?
>
> Do you recall the fuss that Google kicked up when Microsoft integrated
> the "Windows Desktop Search" utility as a part of Vista?
>
> Or even further back, in the days of Windows 95/98, when Microsoft
> acted "anti-competitively" against Netscape by including Internet
> Explorer as part of the OS?
>
> You are querying the need for so many different versions of Vista, and
> their so-called "shortcomings" (such as the "lack" of business tools in
> Vista Business). You don't live in Europe, do you? It's even worse
> there. Have you never heard of any of the Vista N versions? For some
> stupid reason, the EU decided that Microsoft is not allowed to bundle
> Windows Media Player with ANY version of Windows.
>
> Media Player!
>
> What's the EU's case anyway? A vast majority of the media players out
> there are all free anyway!
>
> And you want Microsoft to include application suites such as Office? No
> offence, but I'd like to know what you've been smoking, and can I also
> get some?
>
>
> William Bunch;664994 Wrote:
>> I would just like to say that Vista has ups and downs, just like Windows
>> 98 did so they made Windows 98 SE. I think Microsoft is producing OS to
>> fast. By the time XP was released yes it had issues yes MS fixed them
>> and then BAM a new OS Vista is now available. I think Aero is ok but not
>> great so we should have kept XP Pro killed XP Home and offered a SP3
>> with a system analyzer to see if Aero and other "Vista type"
>> Improvements would work on your system. Just think in 3 years give or
>> take a few Windows 7 or what ever they are calling it by that time will
>> be out and the problems from Vista will just be on the way to getting
>> fixed. I hope MS extends the Licensing for XP Pro past 2009.
>>
>> I tend to see things in a different light than most I think but here is
>> my interpretation of what the Windows Versions should have lived up to
>> again this is just my common sense approach and I did not go to MIT or
>> anything, but do hold my Associates in Computer Science.
>>
>> Windows XP Home Edition SP2 - Key word here is Home - XP Home Edition
>> did its job well to start with because it was easier for home users to
>> find stuff over ME and 2000. However a major flaw with RDP and other
>> networking abilities.
>>
>> Windows XP Professional SP2 - Key word Professional - XP Pro was just
>> like XP Home with larger networking abilities and dynamic disk support
>> and encryption of the NTFS filling system. I think these features should
>> have been available for home users including RDP with the exception of
>> Dynamic Disk Support because many "home" users would not know what that
>> is anyway.
>>
>> Now I will move on to the many versions and editions of Vista.
>>
>> Vista Home Basic - This version is over priced simply because it is
>> basic your better off with XP Home. I would have liked to see this
>> version of Windows retail for $50.00 for OEM and $65.00 for Retail
>>
>> Vista Home Premium - When I think of MS and the word Premium I am
>> thinking top of the line. I was greatly disappointed in features and
>> expandability with VHP (Vista Home Premium) I wanted RDP to actually
>> work, full IIS integration w/ support for Web Servers and Virtual
>> Directories, Network Management Console would have helped as well so I
>> could see and manage all my systems in my home along with printers etc.
>> Less overhead for networking, Less of a dumb system. Clarification:
>> Network Management Console as see by Home Users: I want to be able to
>> see my son's computer and printers etc and setup features and fix
>> problems through RDP. Basically using the Master/Slave type
>> configuration where my system is the Primary on the network and his is
>> more like a client or subordinate system which I could setup policy via
>> a nice Icon with real world explanations along with explanation videos
>> to help the parent set things up the right way the first time not an
>> automated system that MS controls. VHP is not Premium when Windows 2000
>> Pro offers more for less. This version should have retailed for $120.00
>> for OEM and $135.00 Retail
>>
>> Vista Business - This is a more complete OS for home users. It offers
>> XP Home, XP Pro, and VHP in one. For the average business person this OS
>> falls short. It is like using MS Money when you should have used
>> QuickBooks Pro. BTW for a Business OS While it covered Networking pretty
>> good no real business tools are found, I would have expected to have had
>> a version of Money being it is MS Proprietary, Office 2007 Enterprise
>> Edition, detailed view (video) of Forefront also a $100.00 off Ticket
>> for Expression Web and related items. Accounting Software. All of this
>> was missing from a so called Business version look at all the missed
>> opportunities to educate new business owners and workers on what is new.
>> With large corporations that have license agreements or any one person
>> that activates over 300 copies of Vista Business they would receive a
>> Basic version of Windows Server 2008 Free, this would promote more sales
>> and cut down on piracy since large companies get away with it more than
>> your home user. This version should retail for $200.00 OEM and $225.00
>> Retail now with all the additions including a full functional Office it
>> would Retail for $500.00 OEM and $650.00 for Retail because 1 it is
>> intended for businesses and 2 it has a full version of Office included.
>>
>> Vista Ultimate - Not needed if the other versions would have lived up
>> to expectations maybe rename this version to Windows Gamer Edition with
>> less business stuff and better support for games and better Game Server
>> networking Abilities. Toss in a $100.00 off ticket to the Nvidia 900
>> Series and 800 Series Video Cards regardless of where you buy it. This
>> version would only be available in a hybrid OEM/Retail version where
>> Nvidia and MS come together to design an OS just for Gamers.
>>
>> Some other things to add value to Windows and catch-up with Linux and
>> Apple.
>>
>> Office should be integrated
>>
>> Better Media Center with more codec's already installed
>>
>> Version tools ie Home =home tools Business = business tools
>>
>> Educated Versions - each version when being installed should ask point
>> blank about familiarity with Windows and Education of the user in IT
>> fields this would prevent annoying the hell out of IT people but allow
>> the OS to be understandable to computer idiots like a dynamic system.
>>
>> A Windows Default Button and Windows System Default Button:
>>
>> Windows Default Button: This button would take only Windows files and
>> settings back to the first time you booted up Windows but not uninstall
>> any of your programs or Documents etc. Windows Updates and settings and
>> Files would be compared to the CD or DVD and reverted back.
>>
>> Windows System Default Button: This button would do the same thing as
>> above, but also erase any non Windows Files such as your programs, MY
>> Documents, etc all gone. A complete restoration of the OS and Deletion
>> of any file not on the CD or DVD.
>>
>> Windows Mail - Delete it
>> Windows Messenger - Delete it
>>
>> Windows Live Mail - Integrated
>> Windows Live Messenger - Integrated
>> Windows Live One Care - Integrated and first year included w/ first
>> activation Windows SkyDrive Integrated and 100GB of storage included w/
>> Vista Home Premium and Vista Business and fix the timeout issues with
>> uploading large files also SkyDrive will test your internet connection
>> and you must have 4mbps min.
>>
>> I am sure some of you guys/girls will agree with my assessments and
>> some will not helpful criticisms is welcomed that is how we learn and
>> grow stupidity is unwelcomed.
>> I am sure I will have more soon.
>
>
> --
> Dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
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