Photo Resize

Actually,
First,
It is possible to download the prior version from the Msft download site(not download.live.com).

Second,
Since we've seen older versions in use and the probability continues to exist that at least 4 'Desktop'(your term) versions could
be in use..thus correct terminology is a benefit for all

Third,
With Messenger having a much larger user base(dwarfing WLMail) and many preferring the prior 8.5 and version and even earlier then
a version specific WLMail is necessary(no mix and match of versions)

Fourth,
Regardless of the newsgroup title...the correct nomenclature is Windows Live Mail(nothing more, nothing less)


Hot Air ? Your post and this one too...have nothing really applicable to photo resizing.<g>
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"slk759" <> wrote in message news:...
> Despite your explanation I just don't get this hang-up on references to WLMD . . . . .
>
> Maybe folks should stop assuming that a reference to WLMD means the user is on a much older version of the application. Since
> most newer PC's are W7 and shipped without email programs (requiring a "current" WLMail download) or shipped with WLMail
> preinstalled, it is safe to assume their version is at least a version newer than what was originally actually known as WLMD
> (wasn't that just the beta?). And, even older-OS users are just now downloading "current" WL applications (current) due to the
> publicity (no email in W7 - preparation for eventual OS upgrade). Point being, majority of WLMail users have a newer version.
>
> I believe most references to WLMD are indicative of the fact that the version in question is the "Desktop Installed Version" of
> WLMail, as opposed to the web-based "Windows Live Hotmail" (which has prompted MUCH MORE confusion). WLMD vs. WLM is much less
> offensive than the WLMail vs. Windows Live Hotmail debacle - too many references to Windows Live; and, which is generally not
> applicable to the WLMail application because it is only "live" by virtue of the login. WLMail by itself is no more "live" than
> OE or WM. And, as the op mentioned, it is called Windows Live Mail Desktop in the newsgroup title.
>
> If needed, just ask the op's for their version number. Seems like the ongoing "WLMD" discussion is just contributing to global
> warming . . . all that hot air !
>
>
> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message news:...
>> Hi, David.
>>
>>> You may want to recommend a name change to Microsoft.
>>
>> I have. MANY of us have!
>>
>> But the WLM Team explains that it is not so simple to change the name of a Usenet newsgroup. They could have created a new NG,
>> but they didn't want to lose the still-useful history that had already accumulated in this NG. (Of course, if they had changed
>> it then, we would have plenty of new context built up by now.)
>>
>> The very nature of Usenet means that these newsgroups are "mirrored" by thousands of other news servers around the world. Even
>> if all of the traffic on this Microsoft public news server migrated to a new NG, the old one would not die so long as users on
>> those other servers continued posting to it. That means that responses would be fragmented between the two groups. Whether
>> that would create more confusion than the outdated name is a question that will never be answered, I suppose. For now, all we
>> can do is explain the NG name and TRY to stop users (mostly WLM newbies) from continuing to refer to "WLMD".
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>>
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>
>> "David Webb" <> wrote in message news:#...
>>> R. C. White,
>>>
>>> Strange comment about this newsgroup's name since it's the only English one available serving users of WLM.
>>>
>>> Even when one clicks on Help and searches for newsgroups...there it is again.
>>>
>>> You may want to recommend a name change to Microsoft.
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message news:...
>>>> Hi, dmombour.
>>>>
>>>> The word "desktop" was removed from the name of Windows Live Mail nearly 4 years ago, while WLM was still in beta. Whenever
>>>> we see someone post with that name, we can't help but wonder if they are using the current version of WLM. And, since you
>>>> posted via the Web interface, not with WLM, we can't tell from the headers on your message which build you might have.
>>>>
>>>> Could you please click Help | About Windows Live Mail and confirm that you are running build 14.0.8089.0726. If not, you can
>>>> go to http://download.live.com and the the current version of all the Windows Live Essentials, including the current Windows
>>>> Live Photo Gallery.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, I have never been able to get the hang of downsizing my 1 MB photos to a more comfy size (100 KB?) to attach to
>>>> my emails, so I'll be following this thread for some clues for myself.
>>>>
>>>> RC
>>>>
>>>> "dmombour" <> wrote in message news:B6DB6BE4-ADFA-48D4-BFA4-...
>>>>> Any way to have windows live mail desktop stop disabling the resize
>>>>> capabilities of windows live photo gallery?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've recently tried switching over from Picassa / Gmail to Windows Live
>>>>> Photo Gallery / Windows Live Mail however once I make windows live mail the
>>>>> default mail program it stops asking me to resize my photos when trying to
>>>>> email from photo gallery. Signing into windows live mail does not solve this
>>>>> as it does some photograph upload to windows live which is not what I want. I
>>>>> simply want a regular photo attachment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have installed another email client and proved that this is not an issue.
>>>>> Only an issue with windows live mail desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> So is my only option to use another email client? or is there a way to get
>>>>> windows live mail to stop disabling the resize behaviour of windows live
>>>>> photo gallery?
>>

I installed WLMail on Win 7 using a msi file.
WLMail installed and worked ok. I noticed 2 things: unread messages had all
headers bold and there was a Send / Receive button. The msi file installed
build 12.

Even using the correct terminology, knowing the version may be required to
help solve a problem.
--
Ron Sommer
MS MVP-Mail

"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Actually,
> First,
> It is possible to download the prior version from the Msft download
> site(not download.live.com).
>
> Second,
> Since we've seen older versions in use and the probability continues to
> exist that at least 4 'Desktop'(your term) versions could be in use..thus
> correct terminology is a benefit for all
>
> Third,
> With Messenger having a much larger user base(dwarfing WLMail) and many
> preferring the prior 8.5 and version and even earlier then a version
> specific WLMail is necessary(no mix and match of versions)
>
> Fourth,
> Regardless of the newsgroup title...the correct nomenclature is Windows
> Live Mail(nothing more, nothing less)
>
>
> Hot Air ? Your post and this one too...have nothing really applicable to
> photo resizing.<g>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "slk759" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Despite your explanation I just don't get this hang-up on references to
>> WLMD . . . . .
>>
>> Maybe folks should stop assuming that a reference to WLMD means the user
>> is on a much older version of the application. Since
>> most newer PC's are W7 and shipped without email programs (requiring a
>> "current" WLMail download) or shipped with WLMail
>> preinstalled, it is safe to assume their version is at least a version
>> newer than what was originally actually known as WLMD
>> (wasn't that just the beta?). And, even older-OS users are just now
>> downloading "current" WL applications (current) due to the
>> publicity (no email in W7 - preparation for eventual OS upgrade). Point
>> being, majority of WLMail users have a newer version.
>>
>> I believe most references to WLMD are indicative of the fact that the
>> version in question is the "Desktop Installed Version" of
>> WLMail, as opposed to the web-based "Windows Live Hotmail" (which has
>> prompted MUCH MORE confusion). WLMD vs. WLM is much less
>> offensive than the WLMail vs. Windows Live Hotmail debacle - too many
>> references to Windows Live; and, which is generally not
>> applicable to the WLMail application because it is only "live" by virtue
>> of the login. WLMail by itself is no more "live" than
>> OE or WM. And, as the op mentioned, it is called Windows Live Mail
>> Desktop in the newsgroup title.
>>
>> If needed, just ask the op's for their version number. Seems like the
>> ongoing "WLMD" discussion is just contributing to global
>> warming . . . all that hot air !
>>
>>
>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hi, David.
>>>
>>>> You may want to recommend a name change to Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I have. MANY of us have!
>>>
>>> But the WLM Team explains that it is not so simple to change the name of
>>> a Usenet newsgroup. They could have created a new NG,
>>> but they didn't want to lose the still-useful history that had already
>>> accumulated in this NG. (Of course, if they had changed
>>> it then, we would have plenty of new context built up by now.)
>>>
>>> The very nature of Usenet means that these newsgroups are "mirrored" by
>>> thousands of other news servers around the world. Even
>>> if all of the traffic on this Microsoft public news server migrated to a
>>> new NG, the old one would not die so long as users on
>>> those other servers continued posting to it. That means that responses
>>> would be fragmented between the two groups. Whether
>>> that would create more confusion than the outdated name is a question
>>> that will never be answered, I suppose. For now, all we
>>> can do is explain the NG name and TRY to stop users (mostly WLM newbies)
>>> from continuing to refer to "WLMD".
>>>
>>> RC
>>> --
>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>>
>>> "David Webb" <> wrote in message
>>> news:#...
>>>> R. C. White,
>>>>
>>>> Strange comment about this newsgroup's name since it's the only English
>>>> one available serving users of WLM.
>>>>
>>>> Even when one clicks on Help and searches for newsgroups...there it is
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> You may want to recommend a name change to Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Hi, dmombour.
>>>>>
>>>>> The word "desktop" was removed from the name of Windows Live Mail
>>>>> nearly 4 years ago, while WLM was still in beta. Whenever
>>>>> we see someone post with that name, we can't help but wonder if they
>>>>> are using the current version of WLM. And, since you
>>>>> posted via the Web interface, not with WLM, we can't tell from the
>>>>> headers on your message which build you might have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please click Help | About Windows Live Mail and confirm that
>>>>> you are running build 14.0.8089.0726. If not, you can
>>>>> go to http://download.live.com and the the current version of all the
>>>>> Windows Live Essentials, including the current Windows
>>>>> Live Photo Gallery.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, I have never been able to get the hang of downsizing my 1
>>>>> MB photos to a more comfy size (100 KB?) to attach to
>>>>> my emails, so I'll be following this thread for some clues for myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> RC
>>>>>
>>>>> "dmombour" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:B6DB6BE4-ADFA-48D4-BFA4-...
>>>>>> Any way to have windows live mail desktop stop disabling the resize
>>>>>> capabilities of windows live photo gallery?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've recently tried switching over from Picassa / Gmail to Windows
>>>>>> Live
>>>>>> Photo Gallery / Windows Live Mail however once I make windows live
>>>>>> mail the
>>>>>> default mail program it stops asking me to resize my photos when
>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>> email from photo gallery. Signing into windows live mail does not
>>>>>> solve this
>>>>>> as it does some photograph upload to windows live which is not what I
>>>>>> want. I
>>>>>> simply want a regular photo attachment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have installed another email client and proved that this is not an
>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>> Only an issue with windows live mail desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So is my only option to use another email client? or is there a way
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> windows live mail to stop disabling the resize behaviour of windows
>>>>>> live
>>>>>> photo gallery?
>>>

Yes, it is hot air. But, you all miss the point which I expressed in my 2nd
paragraph. That being, if an op says they have "WLMD" then it is obviously
WLMail installed on the desktop (not Hotmail). So just ask them for the
version number - no need to berate them for using the term "WLMD". I don't
think there was ever a product known as "Windows Live Messenger Desktop", so
professionals familiar with WLMail know what "WLMD" is. Accept that as long
as that newsgroup name says what it says, people will use it to identify
their product. So there's not much use in constantly harping on people
referring to it as WLMD.


"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Actually,
> First,
> It is possible to download the prior version from the Msft download
> site(not download.live.com).
>
> Second,
> Since we've seen older versions in use and the probability continues to
> exist that at least 4 'Desktop'(your term) versions could be in use..thus
> correct terminology is a benefit for all
>
> Third,
> With Messenger having a much larger user base(dwarfing WLMail) and many
> preferring the prior 8.5 and version and even earlier then a version
> specific WLMail is necessary(no mix and match of versions)
>
> Fourth,
> Regardless of the newsgroup title...the correct nomenclature is Windows
> Live Mail(nothing more, nothing less)
>
>
> Hot Air ? Your post and this one too...have nothing really applicable to
> photo resizing.<g>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "slk759" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Despite your explanation I just don't get this hang-up on references to
>> WLMD . . . . .
>>
>> Maybe folks should stop assuming that a reference to WLMD means the user
>> is on a much older version of the application. Since
>> most newer PC's are W7 and shipped without email programs (requiring a
>> "current" WLMail download) or shipped with WLMail
>> preinstalled, it is safe to assume their version is at least a version
>> newer than what was originally actually known as WLMD
>> (wasn't that just the beta?). And, even older-OS users are just now
>> downloading "current" WL applications (current) due to the
>> publicity (no email in W7 - preparation for eventual OS upgrade). Point
>> being, majority of WLMail users have a newer version.
>>
>> I believe most references to WLMD are indicative of the fact that the
>> version in question is the "Desktop Installed Version" of
>> WLMail, as opposed to the web-based "Windows Live Hotmail" (which has
>> prompted MUCH MORE confusion). WLMD vs. WLM is much less
>> offensive than the WLMail vs. Windows Live Hotmail debacle - too many
>> references to Windows Live; and, which is generally not
>> applicable to the WLMail application because it is only "live" by virtue
>> of the login. WLMail by itself is no more "live" than
>> OE or WM. And, as the op mentioned, it is called Windows Live Mail
>> Desktop in the newsgroup title.
>>
>> If needed, just ask the op's for their version number. Seems like the
>> ongoing "WLMD" discussion is just contributing to global
>> warming . . . all that hot air !
>>
>>
>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hi, David.
>>>
>>>> You may want to recommend a name change to Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I have. MANY of us have!
>>>
>>> But the WLM Team explains that it is not so simple to change the name of
>>> a Usenet newsgroup. They could have created a new NG,
>>> but they didn't want to lose the still-useful history that had already
>>> accumulated in this NG. (Of course, if they had changed
>>> it then, we would have plenty of new context built up by now.)
>>>
>>> The very nature of Usenet means that these newsgroups are "mirrored" by
>>> thousands of other news servers around the world. Even
>>> if all of the traffic on this Microsoft public news server migrated to a
>>> new NG, the old one would not die so long as users on
>>> those other servers continued posting to it. That means that responses
>>> would be fragmented between the two groups. Whether
>>> that would create more confusion than the outdated name is a question
>>> that will never be answered, I suppose. For now, all we
>>> can do is explain the NG name and TRY to stop users (mostly WLM newbies)
>>> from continuing to refer to "WLMD".
>>>
>>> RC
>>> --
>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>> San Marcos, TX
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>>
>>> "David Webb" <> wrote in message
>>> news:#...
>>>> R. C. White,
>>>>
>>>> Strange comment about this newsgroup's name since it's the only English
>>>> one available serving users of WLM.
>>>>
>>>> Even when one clicks on Help and searches for newsgroups...there it is
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> You may want to recommend a name change to Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Hi, dmombour.
>>>>>
>>>>> The word "desktop" was removed from the name of Windows Live Mail
>>>>> nearly 4 years ago, while WLM was still in beta. Whenever
>>>>> we see someone post with that name, we can't help but wonder if they
>>>>> are using the current version of WLM. And, since you
>>>>> posted via the Web interface, not with WLM, we can't tell from the
>>>>> headers on your message which build you might have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please click Help | About Windows Live Mail and confirm that
>>>>> you are running build 14.0.8089.0726. If not, you can
>>>>> go to http://download.live.com and the the current version of all the
>>>>> Windows Live Essentials, including the current Windows
>>>>> Live Photo Gallery.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, I have never been able to get the hang of downsizing my 1
>>>>> MB photos to a more comfy size (100 KB?) to attach to
>>>>> my emails, so I'll be following this thread for some clues for myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> RC
>>>>>
>>>>> "dmombour" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:B6DB6BE4-ADFA-48D4-BFA4-...
>>>>>> Any way to have windows live mail desktop stop disabling the resize
>>>>>> capabilities of windows live photo gallery?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've recently tried switching over from Picassa / Gmail to Windows
>>>>>> Live
>>>>>> Photo Gallery / Windows Live Mail however once I make windows live
>>>>>> mail the
>>>>>> default mail program it stops asking me to resize my photos when
>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>> email from photo gallery. Signing into windows live mail does not
>>>>>> solve this
>>>>>> as it does some photograph upload to windows live which is not what I
>>>>>> want. I
>>>>>> simply want a regular photo attachment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have installed another email client and proved that this is not an
>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>> Only an issue with windows live mail desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So is my only option to use another email client? or is there a way
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> windows live mail to stop disabling the resize behaviour of windows
>>>>>> live
>>>>>> photo gallery?
>>>

Msi files for earlier versions ?
Fee free to add it to the list as the 'Fifth' reason of possible variation/confusion

Though if WLMsgr is installed(even with an earlier Msgr msi) that won’t last for long...since the unified installer will updates
both apps or Msgr sign in will fail(amongst other problems)


<qp>
Nov 5, 2009
In September, we began asking users on 8.1 clients to upgrade to the latest version of messenger to ensure that they had the most
up to-date and secure release.
Starting today, users on version 8.5 will also be required to upgrade before they can sign-in to the service. Starting on the
November 9th, users on Messenger 2009 (version 14) will need to upgrade their clients too. Users who have already installed the
latest version, which was released Aug 18th 2009 (Build: 14.0.8089.726), will not be required to upgrade.
</qp>


Version is important...and iirc 'version' was requested in the WLMD vs WLM nomenclature explanation.


--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Ron Sommer" <> wrote in message news:#...
> I installed WLMail on Win 7 using a msi file.
> WLMail installed and worked ok. I noticed 2 things: unread messages had all
> headers bold and there was a Send / Receive button. The msi file installed
> build 12.
>
> Even using the correct terminology, knowing the version may be required to
> help solve a problem.
> --
> Ron Sommer
> MS MVP-Mail
>
> "...winston" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Actually,
>> First,
>> It is possible to download the prior version from the Msft download
>> site(not download.live.com).
>>
>> Second,
>> Since we've seen older versions in use and the probability continues to
>> exist that at least 4 'Desktop'(your term) versions could be in use..thus
>> correct terminology is a benefit for all
>>
>> Third,
>> With Messenger having a much larger user base(dwarfing WLMail) and many
>> preferring the prior 8.5 and version and even earlier then a version
>> specific WLMail is necessary(no mix and match of versions)
>>
>> Fourth,
>> Regardless of the newsgroup title...the correct nomenclature is Windows
>> Live Mail(nothing more, nothing less)
>>
>>
>> Hot Air ? Your post and this one too...have nothing really applicable to
>> photo resizing.<g>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail

I'm quite comfortable with people informing others of the proper nomenclature.

Hotmail ? Read again...no one confused or introduced the Hotmail term but you...the original comment on WLMD was version specific
to WLM.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"slk759" <> wrote in message news:...
> Yes, it is hot air. But, you all miss the point which I expressed in my 2nd paragraph. That being, if an op says they have
> "WLMD" then it is obviously WLMail installed on the desktop (not Hotmail).