Please help!! 5 user - simple migration

I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the forums is
simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend an ear to a
struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an easy question.

I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A using
Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations and some XP Pro.
The workstations use MS office.

They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new domain called
Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation from Domain A to Domain B
without breaking something. I’m not comfortable with the directions with all
the migration tools which seem to be for larger migrations. I created the
new users in Domain B and now want to copy their desktops, email and setting
from Domain A to Domain B. I see steps here and there but also see the errors
folks get and this has to be done overnight and ready the next morning.

A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the files
needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but not to copy certain
files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not sure what files are needed and
what files should NOT be copied.

Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that when they
come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B, MS office and other
apps work without reinstalling them and their files and desktop are the same?

I’m really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great. Thanks in
advance for your time.

Hello sdmusicmaker,

Is the 2000 server also SBS version?
You can not that easy migrate to SBS domain, because ADMT will need a trust
between domains which is not supported from SBS. Also migration is not a
part just done simply, you have to test it before to see whats going on.

For migrating normal OS to SBS version i suggest that you post this to:
microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

There are your SBS experts, because lot's of steps are different on SBS.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the forums
> is simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend an ear to a
> struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an easy question.
>
> I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A using
> Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations and some XP
> Pro. The workstations use MS office.
>
> They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new domain
> called Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation from Domain
> A to Domain B without breaking something. I'm not comfortable with the
> directions with all the migration tools which seem to be for larger
> migrations. I created the new users in Domain B and now want to copy
> their desktops, email and setting from Domain A to Domain B. I see
> steps here and there but also see the errors folks get and this has to
> be done overnight and ready the next morning.
>
> A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the
> files needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but not to
> copy certain files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not sure what
> files are needed and what files should NOT be copied.
>
> Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that when
> they come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B, MS
> office and other apps work without reinstalling them and their files
> and desktop are the same?
>
> I'm really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great. Thanks
> in advance for your time.
>

Thank you Meinolf! The windows server for Domain A is not SBS as written in
the post, it is standard Windows server 2000. The new users are already set
up in the Domain B which just happens to be SBS. Cant I just join the new
workstations to Domain B and copy some certain files from one profile to the
new user profile that is created in Domain B on their forst log in? The
profiles are local on the workstations.
"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello sdmusicmaker,
>
> Is the 2000 server also SBS version?
> You can not that easy migrate to SBS domain, because ADMT will need a trust
> between domains which is not supported from SBS. Also migration is not a
> part just done simply, you have to test it before to see whats going on.
>
> For migrating normal OS to SBS version i suggest that you post this to:
> microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>
> There are your SBS experts, because lot's of steps are different on SBS.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the forums
> > is simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend an ear to a
> > struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an easy question.
> >
> > I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A using
> > Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations and some XP
> > Pro. The workstations use MS office.
> >
> > They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new domain
> > called Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation from Domain
> > A to Domain B without breaking something. I'm not comfortable with the
> > directions with all the migration tools which seem to be for larger
> > migrations. I created the new users in Domain B and now want to copy
> > their desktops, email and setting from Domain A to Domain B. I see
> > steps here and there but also see the errors folks get and this has to
> > be done overnight and ready the next morning.
> >
> > A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the
> > files needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but not to
> > copy certain files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not sure what
> > files are needed and what files should NOT be copied.
> >
> > Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that when
> > they come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B, MS
> > office and other apps work without reinstalling them and their files
> > and desktop are the same?
> >
> > I'm really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great. Thanks
> > in advance for your time.
> >
>
>
>

Hello sdmusicmaker,

The way you can do it also. That's the way with more work for you but with
5 machines its not that much. The users will get a new password and you have
to copy the profile content to the new created local machine profile like
you said. For that copy youhave to use an account that has local administrator
permissions.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> Thank you Meinolf! The windows server for Domain A is not SBS as
> written in
> the post, it is standard Windows server 2000. The new users are
> already set
> up in the Domain B which just happens to be SBS. Cant I just join the
> new
> workstations to Domain B and copy some certain files from one profile
> to the
> new user profile that is created in Domain B on their forst log in?
> The
> profiles are local on the workstations.
> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
>> Hello sdmusicmaker,
>>
>> Is the 2000 server also SBS version?
>> You can not that easy migrate to SBS domain, because ADMT will need a
>> trust
>> between domains which is not supported from SBS. Also migration is
>> not a
>> part just done simply, you have to test it before to see whats going
>> on.
>> For migrating normal OS to SBS version i suggest that you post this
>> to: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>>
>> There are your SBS experts, because lot's of steps are different on
>> SBS.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the
>>> forums is simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend an
>>> ear to a struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an easy
>>> question.
>>>
>>> I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A
>>> using Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations and
>>> some XP Pro. The workstations use MS office.
>>>
>>> They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new
>>> domain called Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation
>>> from Domain A to Domain B without breaking something. I'm not
>>> comfortable with the directions with all the migration tools which
>>> seem to be for larger migrations. I created the new users in Domain
>>> B and now want to copy their desktops, email and setting from Domain
>>> A to Domain B. I see steps here and there but also see the errors
>>> folks get and this has to be done overnight and ready the next
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the
>>> files needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but not
>>> to copy certain files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not sure what
>>> files are needed and what files should NOT be copied.
>>>
>>> Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that when
>>> they come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B, MS
>>> office and other apps work without reinstalling them and their files
>>> and desktop are the same?
>>>
>>> I'm really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great. Thanks
>>> in advance for your time.
>>>

Great. Now the big question, when you look at the documents and settings
folders, what should be copied over to the new profile and what should not? I
understand there are some files that should not be copied.

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello sdmusicmaker,
>
> The way you can do it also. That's the way with more work for you but with
> 5 machines its not that much. The users will get a new password and you have
> to copy the profile content to the new created local machine profile like
> you said. For that copy youhave to use an account that has local administrator
> permissions.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > Thank you Meinolf! The windows server for Domain A is not SBS as
> > written in
> > the post, it is standard Windows server 2000. The new users are
> > already set
> > up in the Domain B which just happens to be SBS. Cant I just join the
> > new
> > workstations to Domain B and copy some certain files from one profile
> > to the
> > new user profile that is created in Domain B on their forst log in?
> > The
> > profiles are local on the workstations.
> > "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
> >> Hello sdmusicmaker,
> >>
> >> Is the 2000 server also SBS version?
> >> You can not that easy migrate to SBS domain, because ADMT will need a
> >> trust
> >> between domains which is not supported from SBS. Also migration is
> >> not a
> >> part just done simply, you have to test it before to see whats going
> >> on.
> >> For migrating normal OS to SBS version i suggest that you post this
> >> to: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> >>
> >> There are your SBS experts, because lot's of steps are different on
> >> SBS.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Meinolf Weber
> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> >> confers
> >> no rights.
> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>> I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the
> >>> forums is simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend an
> >>> ear to a struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an easy
> >>> question.
> >>>
> >>> I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A
> >>> using Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations and
> >>> some XP Pro. The workstations use MS office.
> >>>
> >>> They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new
> >>> domain called Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation
> >>> from Domain A to Domain B without breaking something. I'm not
> >>> comfortable with the directions with all the migration tools which
> >>> seem to be for larger migrations. I created the new users in Domain
> >>> B and now want to copy their desktops, email and setting from Domain
> >>> A to Domain B. I see steps here and there but also see the errors
> >>> folks get and this has to be done overnight and ready the next
> >>> morning.
> >>>
> >>> A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the
> >>> files needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but not
> >>> to copy certain files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not sure what
> >>> files are needed and what files should NOT be copied.
> >>>
> >>> Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that when
> >>> they come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B, MS
> >>> office and other apps work without reinstalling them and their files
> >>> and desktop are the same?
> >>>
> >>> I'm really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great. Thanks
> >>> in advance for your time.
> >>>
>
>
>

Hello sdmusicmaker,

Make a test user before and see if it works fine or not. The client OS doesn't
change so there will be outlook a problem, because you have a new exchange
server. Also some other applications can be involved.

I would talk to the user to save there personal data on a network share or
local drive(not doc's and setting's ofcourse) and also a .pst from outlook.
Now they have all important data on the old network share or local where
they can get it back.

After migration they can move there outlook data back to the inbox and have
it on the new exchange server or just let it on the .pst file. But as .pst
you can not back it up. It is also NOT recommended to have .pst on network
drives.

A complete migration will always have some changes for users that you can
not avoid.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> Great. Now the big question, when you look at the documents and
> settings folders, what should be copied over to the new profile and
> what should not? I understand there are some files that should not be
> copied.
>
> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
>
>> Hello sdmusicmaker,
>>
>> The way you can do it also. That's the way with more work for you but
>> with 5 machines its not that much. The users will get a new password
>> and you have to copy the profile content to the new created local
>> machine profile like you said. For that copy youhave to use an
>> account that has local administrator permissions.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> Thank you Meinolf! The windows server for Domain A is not SBS as
>>> written in
>>> the post, it is standard Windows server 2000. The new users are
>>> already set
>>> up in the Domain B which just happens to be SBS. Cant I just join
>>> the
>>> new
>>> workstations to Domain B and copy some certain files from one
>>> profile
>>> to the
>>> new user profile that is created in Domain B on their forst log in?
>>> The
>>> profiles are local on the workstations.
>>> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
>>>> Hello sdmusicmaker,
>>>>
>>>> Is the 2000 server also SBS version?
>>>> You can not that easy migrate to SBS domain, because ADMT will need
>>>> a
>>>> trust
>>>> between domains which is not supported from SBS. Also migration is
>>>> not a
>>>> part just done simply, you have to test it before to see whats
>>>> going
>>>> on.
>>>> For migrating normal OS to SBS version i suggest that you post this
>>>> to: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>>>> There are your SBS experts, because lot's of steps are different on
>>>> SBS.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
>>>> and
>>>> confers
>>>> no rights.
>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>> I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the
>>>>> forums is simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend
>>>>> an ear to a struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an
>>>>> easy question.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A
>>>>> using Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations
>>>>> and some XP Pro. The workstations use MS office.
>>>>>
>>>>> They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new
>>>>> domain called Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation
>>>>> from Domain A to Domain B without breaking something. I'm not
>>>>> comfortable with the directions with all the migration tools which
>>>>> seem to be for larger migrations. I created the new users in
>>>>> Domain B and now want to copy their desktops, email and setting
>>>>> from Domain A to Domain B. I see steps here and there but also see
>>>>> the errors folks get and this has to be done overnight and ready
>>>>> the next morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the
>>>>> files needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but
>>>>> not to copy certain files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not
>>>>> sure what files are needed and what files should NOT be copied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that
>>>>> when they come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B,
>>>>> MS office and other apps work without reinstalling them and their
>>>>> files and desktop are the same?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great.
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your time.
>>>>>

fair enough, do you know about the NTUSER.dat file and if it is a problem if
copied?

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello sdmusicmaker,
>
> Make a test user before and see if it works fine or not. The client OS doesn't
> change so there will be outlook a problem, because you have a new exchange
> server. Also some other applications can be involved.
>
> I would talk to the user to save there personal data on a network share or
> local drive(not doc's and setting's ofcourse) and also a .pst from outlook.
> Now they have all important data on the old network share or local where
> they can get it back.
>
> After migration they can move there outlook data back to the inbox and have
> it on the new exchange server or just let it on the .pst file. But as .pst
> you can not back it up. It is also NOT recommended to have .pst on network
> drives.
>
> A complete migration will always have some changes for users that you can
> not avoid.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > Great. Now the big question, when you look at the documents and
> > settings folders, what should be copied over to the new profile and
> > what should not? I understand there are some files that should not be
> > copied.
> >
> > "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello sdmusicmaker,
> >>
> >> The way you can do it also. That's the way with more work for you but
> >> with 5 machines its not that much. The users will get a new password
> >> and you have to copy the profile content to the new created local
> >> machine profile like you said. For that copy youhave to use an
> >> account that has local administrator permissions.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Meinolf Weber
> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> >> confers
> >> no rights.
> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>> Thank you Meinolf! The windows server for Domain A is not SBS as
> >>> written in
> >>> the post, it is standard Windows server 2000. The new users are
> >>> already set
> >>> up in the Domain B which just happens to be SBS. Cant I just join
> >>> the
> >>> new
> >>> workstations to Domain B and copy some certain files from one
> >>> profile
> >>> to the
> >>> new user profile that is created in Domain B on their forst log in?
> >>> The
> >>> profiles are local on the workstations.
> >>> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
> >>>> Hello sdmusicmaker,
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the 2000 server also SBS version?
> >>>> You can not that easy migrate to SBS domain, because ADMT will need
> >>>> a
> >>>> trust
> >>>> between domains which is not supported from SBS. Also migration is
> >>>> not a
> >>>> part just done simply, you have to test it before to see whats
> >>>> going
> >>>> on.
> >>>> For migrating normal OS to SBS version i suggest that you post this
> >>>> to: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> >>>> There are your SBS experts, because lot's of steps are different on
> >>>> SBS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Meinolf Weber
> >>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
> >>>> and
> >>>> confers
> >>>> no rights.
> >>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>>>> I have a question that is bugging me and all my reading in the
> >>>>> forums is simply confusing me and was wondering if you could lend
> >>>>> an ear to a struggling IT guy which to you guys is probably an
> >>>>> easy question.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a small company that only has 5 workstations in Domain A
> >>>>> using Windows 2000 server. Some are Vista Ultimate workstations
> >>>>> and some XP Pro. The workstations use MS office.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They bought a new server that is set up with SBS 2003 in a new
> >>>>> domain called Domain B. I need to move the users and workstation
> >>>>> from Domain A to Domain B without breaking something. I'm not
> >>>>> comfortable with the directions with all the migration tools which
> >>>>> seem to be for larger migrations. I created the new users in
> >>>>> Domain B and now want to copy their desktops, email and setting
> >>>>> from Domain A to Domain B. I see steps here and there but also see
> >>>>> the errors folks get and this has to be done overnight and ready
> >>>>> the next morning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A friend said the easiest way to join the new domain and copy the
> >>>>> files needed from one Document Settings folder to the other but
> >>>>> not to copy certain files like NTUser.dat and some others. Not
> >>>>> sure what files are needed and what files should NOT be copied.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you have a very simple way to copy their stuff over so that
> >>>>> when they come in the next morning they log into the new Domain B,
> >>>>> MS office and other apps work without reinstalling them and their
> >>>>> files and desktop are the same?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm really stuck here and any words of wisdom would be great.
> >>>>> Thanks in advance for your time.
> >>>>>
>
>
>